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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 27/01/2020 : 00:01:37
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Sagene and Uranienborg are another two parish churches in Oslo.
I guess I'd be most curious about why Albertine and her family came back to Norway. The reasons to leave Norway are mostly economic. In the 1850s in most cases travel to a distant country wasn't done for fun but for survival and usually forever. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/01/2020 : 00:30:02
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Originally posted by lyndal40
I think that this record would indicate that Carl Gustav was born in Norway.
Carl Gustav Christensen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Carl Gustav Christensen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 9 nov 1859
Baptism Date: 27 nov 1859
Baptism Place: Domkirken, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Father: Christian Danielsen
Mother: Albertine Amundsen
FHL Film Number: 255750
Original baptism record
#239
This record is likely the death you mentioned in your last post.
Carl Gustav Christensen
in the Norway, Select Burials, 1666-1927
Name: Carl Gustav Christensen
Gender: Male
Marital status: Single
Death Date: 19 sep 1878
Death Place: Oslo, Norway
Burial Place: Sagene/Uranienborg/etc./, Oslo, Norway
FHL Film Number: 1283270
Reference ID: Bk5 p2 n 14
I am a little confused about when they came to Wisconsin?
I wonder about the death / funeral of Carl Gustav Christiansen, Here are the contents of the microfilm:
Item 1: Kirkebøker, 1880-1922
Author: Den Norske kirke. Sagene menighet (Oslo)
Item 3, Item 2: Kirkebøker, 1880-1915
Author: Den Norske kirke. Uranienborg menighet (Oslo)
Item 4: Kirkebøker, 1710-1923
Author: Den Norske kirke. Eidsberg prestegjeld (Østfold)
Item 5: Kirkebøker, 1871-1920
Author: Den Norske kirke. Vestre Fredrikstad prestegjeld (Østfold)
So if the contents are accurate, a death in 1878 would be either in Eidsberg or Vestre Fredrikstad not in Oslo. Perhaps the Carl Gustav Danielsen cited is not correct?
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jkmarler
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Posted - 27/01/2020 : 15:48:26
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#16 left page Guttorm Amundsen death (no address):
SAO, Oslo domkirke Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0025: Parish register (official) no. 25, 1847-1867, p. 137-138
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060215020071
#14 right page Guttorm Amundsen (no address)
SAO, Oslo skifterett, G/Ga/Gaa/L0004: Dødsfallsprotokoll, 1846-1853
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20081218340479
#239 Carl Gustav birth / baptism parents characterized as "i Hagatar" or magatar? needs some help:
SAO, Oslo domkirke Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0015: Parish register (official) no. 15, 1857-1871, p. 145
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060216010152
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Randall Fisher
Junior member
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Posted - 27/01/2020 : 16:24:51
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| Hi Jackie, I see your post. Can you please help me understand the importance to your research and links your provided? Are you suggesting we are tracking the wrong Carl Gustav Danielsen? My original goal is to learn the farm address of his mother Albertine Amundsen or his father Christian Danielsen. Here is another clue - Christian Danielsen had an older brother Ole M Danielsen, born 20 Dec 1822, listed in Ancestry as Holter, Elverud, Nannestad, Akershus, Norway. Would Christian or Ole have an address that we can locate? Thank you for your help! Randy |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/01/2020 : 16:55:44
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It bothers me that someone going to US as a very small person comes back to die as a teenager without all the family. When I look at the reference to the microfilm # I see that its likely that the Carl Gustav death cited is belonging to two other different parishes not located in Oslo. So why would your Carl Gustav be there?
These other links are places I'm looking for an address. I didn't find a marriage in Var Frelser's for Christian Danielsen and Albertina in 1858-1859. Granted I could have missed amongst the hundreds there. Sometimes addresses are given in marriage records. What are the possibilities? They are not identified in Carl Gustav's birth / baptism record as unmarried via their titles. So they are married but where and when?
Albertina b 1843 means that she should have been confirmed about 1858. So far have not found her confirmation in 1858 in Var Frelser's. Pastors frowned on unconfirmed people getting married so she had to be confirmed sometime. Confirmation records sometimes have a current address.
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jkmarler
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Randall Fisher
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Posted - 27/01/2020 : 17:11:48
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Hi Jackie. In Ancestry (USA) is shows Albertine Amundsen age 16 Birth Place Xstiania, marriage date 14 April 1859. Place Oslo, FHL file number #255744. Another sources says FHL film number #125844, book 27, page 224. Original data: Norway, Marriages, 1660-1926. Can you see the FHL film?
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jkmarler
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Posted - 27/01/2020 : 17:35:38
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255744
#55 marriage Christian Danielsen & Albertine Amundsen
SAO, Grønland prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0001: Parish register (official) no. 1, 1859-1861, p. 286
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060227040278
125844
#46 marriage Christian Danielsen & Albertine Amundsen
SAO, Aker prestekontor kirkebøker, G/L0011: Parish register (copy) no. 11, 1846-1859, p. 224-225
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061108040350
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AntonH
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Posted - 27/01/2020 : 17:53:49
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Christian Danielsen had an older brother Ole M Danielsen, born 20 Dec 1822, listed in Ancestry as Holter, Elverud, Nannestad, Akershus, Norway. Would Christian or Ole have an address that we can locate?
The only Ole that I have found in Nannestad born on 20 Dec 1822 is this one. Parents are Daniel Tollevsen Homble and Gudbjør Olsdatter. Not part of the family you are researching. #386
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Randall Fisher
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Posted - 27/01/2020 : 17:58:08
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Yes, you found the correct Ole. That is Christian Danielsen and Ole M Danielsen's parents. Daniel Tollefsen, born 5 Aug 1798 • Ostensio, Akershus, Norway and Gudbjør Olsdatter, born 9 Aug 1793 • Homble, Nannestad, Akershus, Norway. You found the correct Ole. Does it show an address?
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AntonH
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Posted - 27/01/2020 : 18:05:32
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| The address is the Homble farm also written as Homle mellem. But that farm is in the parish of Nannestad in Akershus county. So a bit of a ways from Oslo. Maybe an hour or more. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 27/01/2020 : 18:43:07
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#43 wedding banns Christian Danielsen and Albertine Amundson
SAO, Aker prestekontor kirkebøker, H/L0005: Banns register no. 5, 1853-1864, p. 542-543
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060301040448
Interestingly says Albertine was confirmed in Nannestad....
#5 confirmation farm name Laakedalen?
SAO, Nannestad prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0011: Parish register (official) no. I 11, 1850-1859, p. 142
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060307030602
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Randall Fisher
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Posted - 27/01/2020 : 18:58:18
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Hi Jackie, so being confirmed in Nannestad - also the location of Ole and Christian (her husband) Homble farm. So is it far to assume Albertine and her parents lived in this same region?
I have a nice picture of Albertine and Christian (plus baby Carl), but your blog does not seem to allow upload of pictures to share.
Meanwhile, I believe in two days we have all made some good progress. It would be interesting if Albertine marries at 16 years old, travels to the United States with Christian, to live with Ole, older brother, in Medford, Taylor, Wisconsin. But returns to Norway with Christian and he dies around 19. That is a very strange story. Any thoughts? Any more clues I can help with from Ancestry? Very Respectfully, Randy |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 27/01/2020 : 19:03:11
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#1 left page A Christian Danielsen leaving Nannestad for Christiania 1859:
SAO, Nannestad prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0011: Parish register (official) no. I 11, 1850-1859, p. 236
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060307030673
Did Daniel Tollefsen and his wife and two kids leave for America in 1853?
#9-12 right hand page
SAO, Nannestad prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0011: Parish register (official) no. I 11, 1850-1859, p. 237
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060307030674
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Randall Fisher
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Posted - 27/01/2020 : 19:07:50
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Hi Jackie. What is "Christiania?" Is that another Norwegian town? 1858, Christian's father dies. So the next year in 1859 Christian gets married to Albertine. His son Carl Gustav is born (Wisconsin - I still believe).
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July 28 2020 in Oslo Finding Albertina Amundsen
