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Philip Stinson
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Posted - 22/03/2021 :  18:08:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

If all goes well, this will take you to a map of the Oslo area which also shows Vestby:
https://www.google.com/search?source=univ&tbm=isch&q=map+showing+where+vestby+is+in+relation+to+oslo+norway&client=firefox-b-1-d&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwix09jvo8TvAhUbOs0KHUYBBvEQ7Al6BAgEEBA&biw=1280&bih=644&dpr=1.5#imgrc=Vb02zRgsvT7HYM

And it should be noted that the brothers and sisters noted above found in familysearch Norway baptisms database were baptized, if not born in Oslo (Kristiania).

In the 1880 census of Cleveland Ohio there are 37 people born in Norway living there.

Charles is also an immigrant, in 1910 census his year of arrival is 1881.


Yes, Charles was also an immigrant. I was able to track his family back to Taunton, Somerset, England.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 22/03/2021 :  18:26:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Philip Stinson

quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

If all goes well, this will take you to a map of the Oslo area which also shows Vestby:
https://www.google.com/search?source=univ&tbm=isch&q=map+showing+where+vestby+is+in+relation+to+oslo+norway&client=firefox-b-1-d&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwix09jvo8TvAhUbOs0KHUYBBvEQ7Al6BAgEEBA&biw=1280&bih=644&dpr=1.5#imgrc=Vb02zRgsvT7HYM

And it should be noted that the brothers and sisters noted above found in familysearch Norway baptisms database were baptized, if not born in Oslo (Kristiania).

In the 1880 census of Cleveland Ohio there are 37 people born in Norway living there.

Charles is also an immigrant, in 1910 census his year of arrival is 1881.


Yes, Charles was also an immigrant. I was able to track his family back to Taunton, Somerset, England.




Since 1881 is both of their years, maybe they met on the boat?
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jwiborg
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Norway
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Posted - 22/03/2021 :  19:27:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Some discrepancies regarding immigration year and citizenship.... any naturalization document available for Carrie?

Census-1900: Carrie Downing im: 1881, na: -
Census-1900: George Downing im: 1881, na: yes

Census-1910: Carrie S Dunning im: 1881, na: -
Census-1910: Charles Dunning im: 1881, na: yes

Census-1920: Carry Dunning im: 1880, na: 1882
Census-1920: Charles Dunning im: 1880, na: 1882

Census-1930: Carrie Dunning im: 1881, na: yes
Census-1930: Charles Dunning im: 1883, na: yes
Edited by - jwiborg on 22/03/2021 19:28:25
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jkmarler
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Posted - 22/03/2021 :  19:40:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Since her husband applied, I think she is "grandfathered" in on his.

A long shot for Kaia, if she got herself to Wermeland in Sweden and then came back through Norway to US in 1881:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000448607

And the other thing is her destination is Cokato which is in Minnesota, unless something is amiss.
Edited by - jkmarler on 23/03/2021 20:07:57
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Philip Stinson
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Posted - 22/03/2021 :  19:45:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg

Some discrepancies regarding immigration year and citizenship.... any naturalization document available for Carrie?

Census-1900: Carrie Downing im: 1881, na: -
Census-1900: George Downing im: 1881, na: yes

Census-1910: Carrie S Dunning im: 1881, na: -
Census-1910: Charles Dunning im: 1881, na: yes

Census-1920: Carry Dunning im: 1880, na: 1882
Census-1920: Charles Dunning im: 1880, na: 1882

Census-1930: Carrie Dunning im: 1881, na: yes
Census-1930: Charles Dunning im: 1883, na: yes


I noticed all those dates, too. Trying to find the ship(s) is pretty difficult when you have a spread of dates like that.
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jwiborg
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Posted - 22/03/2021 :  21:17:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Any thoughts why she is named Carrie Sphoie @ her son's marriage?
Are the typed text original, or is it a copy of the original marriage record?
Edited by - jwiborg on 22/03/2021 21:22:16
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jkmarler
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Posted - 22/03/2021 :  21:27:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Typo? On one of the children's birth registers it was first written in as Dunning, Carrie but Sophie and Nichelson were added in a different hand.

Here are some Michaelsons in Cleveland in 1882ish:
Albert A Michelson 1883 Cleveland, Ohio
Albert A Michelson 1885 Cleveland, Ohio
Miss Mary Michaelson 1881 Canton, Ohio
N T Michaels Rochester 1884 Cleveland, Ohio

And Nicholson the same era:
Mrs Annie M Nicholson 1882 Cleveland, Ohio
John Nicholson 1882 Cleveland, Ohio
Annie M Nicholson 1882 Cleveland, Ohio
Thomas Nicholson 1882 Cleveland, Ohio
Thomas G Nicholson 1882 Cleveland, Ohio
W J Nicholson 1882 Cleveland, Ohio
Ann Nicholson 1882 Cleveland, Ohio Martin Nicholson
William D Nicholson 1882 Cleveland, Ohio
John J Nicholson 1883 Cleveland, Ohio
Thomas G Nicholson 1883 Cleveland, Ohio
John Nicholson 1881 Cleveland, Ohio
W D Nicholson 1881 Cleveland, Ohio
James W Nicholson 1883 Cleveland, Ohio
Anna M Nicholson 1883 Cleveland, Ohio
Anna Nicholson 1883 Cleveland, Ohio Martin Nicholson
J W Nicholson 1881 Cleveland, Ohio
Mrs Anna M Nicholson 1883 Cleveland, Ohio
Hans Nicholson 1883 Cleveland, Ohio
Thomas Nicholson 1881 Cleveland, Ohio
Edited by - jkmarler on 22/03/2021 21:31:40
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jwiborg
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Posted - 22/03/2021 :  21:34:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, of course it is a typo for Sophie. I didn't see that... I was thinking it could be a farmname or something....
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jwiborg
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Posted - 22/03/2021 :  23:21:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This looks like the previously mentioned garver (tanner) Michael Thorkildsen.

Looks like he also had a daughter Emile,in addition to Kaia Sophie? Kaia is not mentioned in the death notice....

Also, a proclama from 1847 shows that Michael Thorkildsen closed his business that year. That could be why he returned his citizen letter.
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jwiborg
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Posted - 22/03/2021 :  23:33:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Birte Emilie Thorvalda Torkildsen & Ferdinand Ruud
Marriage 28 Mar 1874, Trefoldighet Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Her father: Michael Torkildsen
She is born 1847.
Mrs Bertha Thorvalda Emilie Ruud died in September 1894; 46y 9m old.

Emilie & Ferdinand are never listed with any children, but Ferdinand remarried after Emilie's death, and have many children with is new wife.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01036392029778
Edited by - jwiborg on 23/03/2021 00:05:24
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/03/2021 :  00:11:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg

This looks like the previously mentioned garver (tanner) Michael Thorkildsen.

Looks like he also had a daughter Emile,in addition to Kaia Sophie? Kaia is not mentioned in the death notice....

Also, a proclama from 1847 shows that Michael Thorkildsen closed his business that year. That could be why he returned his citizen letter.


Except the return instrument has an 1837 date. It might be more valuable to actually see what's discussed. Maybe the 1837 date is the date it was issued and the return later?
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/03/2021 :  00:14:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've looked for the dodsfallsprotokol for Mikael In Oslo's records but I didn't find it. Sometimes they mention the location of each of the children and their names but sometimes not. I'm not worried about Kaia not being in the obit as that frequently happens when the family is spread out. Emilie dies in 1894, maybe her siblings are mentioned in dodfallsprotokol at that time, or not?
Edited by - jkmarler on 23/03/2021 00:22:41
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jwiborg
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Posted - 23/03/2021 :  00:21:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The document says 1837 was the date the citizenship was issued. It does't say the return date.

#106 Birthe Emilie Thorvalda
Born 20 Dec 1847
Parents: Garver Michael Torkildsen & Marie Andersdr
Emilie died Sep 17 1894.

The church records of interest is Oslo domkirke / Vår frelsers menighet
Edited by - jwiborg on 23/03/2021 00:21:54
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jwiborg
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Posted - 23/03/2021 :  00:39:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

I've looked for the dodsfallsprotokol for Mikael In Oslo's records but I didn't find it.
Trefoldighet menighet, #155:
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/5439/27719/10
Edited by - jwiborg on 23/03/2021 00:40:12
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/03/2021 :  00:44:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg

quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

I've looked for the dodsfallsprotokol for Mikael In Oslo's records but I didn't find it.
Trefoldighet menighet, #155:
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/5439/27719/10


Thanks so he probably died at Asker rather than Oslo....

#107 Mikael Torkildsen one daughter in Oslo (Mrs. Ru), 1 daughter married in America and 1 son (whose abode is not known?)
SAO, Asker og Bærum lensmannskontor, H/Ha/Haa/L0004: Dødsanmeldelsesprotokoll, 1882-1900, p. 31
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20090527311050

Having a name would have been super but happy with this

#5 Kaia Sofie confirmed 1873:
SAO, Vestby prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0008: Parish register (official) no. I 8, 1863-1877, p. 279
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060927040477
Edited by - jkmarler on 23/03/2021 02:15:02
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