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johanAronsen63
Junior member
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 Posted - 08/10/2022 : 05:15:36
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Hello,
I’ve had many unresolved mysteries and brick walls in certain people that form part of my Norwegian ancestry. I need help finding more information about people in my tree.
MYSTERIES:
• Ole Nielsen Øhrn was born in Kongsberg on January 7th, 1820. I know that his family was from Kongsberg but I’d like to know more about his family, in terms of their story, and delve deeper into their professions (probably working on farms, I suppose).
• I know that the name Øhrn originated from a farm but where exactly is it located? Are there some pictures of it that I could find online (google maps, for example)?
• I heard of a supposed German ancestry in Kongsberg because of the miners that were brought into the silver mines in the 16th and 17th centuries.
Thank you to anyone who at least stops by for some advice or some well-needed help. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 08/10/2022 : 06:25:29
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#50
Kongsberg kirkebøker, SAKO/A-22/F/Fa/L0008: Parish register (official) no. I 8, 1816-1839, p. 63-64
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051116020700
I think it says his father was a sailor (Måtr.). But I see the transcription says maler (painter) and the word is more likely maler since the marriage also has that.
Parents marriage right hand page left column 23 Dec 1815:
Kongsberg kirkebøker, SAKO/A-22/F/Fa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. I 7, 1795-1816, p. 200
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070316630450
Much cleaner rendering of the marriage top entry left page:
Kongsberg kirkebøker, SAKO/A-22/G/Ga/L0000c: Klokkerbok nr. 0c, 1795-1816
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb10311206073037
brother Hans Elias #58
Kongsberg kirkebøker, SAKO/A-22/F/Fa/L0008: Ministerialbok nr. I 8, 1816-1839, s. 16-17
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051116020673
brother Knud Ole #7
Kongsberg kirkebøker, SAKO/A-22/F/Fa/L0008: Ministerialbok nr. I 8, 1816-1839, s. 97-98
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051116020724
another brother Knut #30
Kongsberg kirkebøker, SAKO/A-22/F/Fa/L0008: Ministerialbok nr. I 8, 1816-1839, s. 113-114
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051116020736
brtoher Jorgen # 27
Kongsberg kirkebøker, SAKO/A-22/F/Fa/L0008: Ministerialbok nr. I 8, 1816-1839, s. 154-155
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051116020757
sister Nielsine #10
Kongsberg kirkebøker, SAKO/A-22/F/Fa/L0008: Ministerialbok nr. I 8, 1816-1839, s. 318-319
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051116020844
Death of Nils Olsen Orn #17
Kongsberg kirkebøker, SAKO/A-22/F/Fa/L0008: Ministerialbok nr. I 8, 1816-1839, s. 298-299
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051116020834
Niels Olsen in 1801 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058268006100 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 08/10/2022 08:44:07 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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9216 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2022 : 00:27:56
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The Ancestry record
Ole Nielsen Ørn
in the 1801 Norway Census
Name: Ole Nielsen Ørn
Gender: Mannlig (Male)
Marital Status: Gift (Married)
Age: 45
Birth Year: abt 1756
Census year: 1801
City: Kongsberg
County: Buskerud
County Number: 06
Counting District: Mynster Pladsen
Counting District Number: 0990
Enumeration District Number: 001
Relation to Head: Huusbonde
House List Number: No 1069
House Number: 01
Household Members Age Relationship
Ole Nielsen Ørn 45 Huusbonde
Elsebet Larsdatter
41 Hustru (Wife)
Lars Olsen
20 Deres sønner
Niels Olsen
13 Deres sønner
Knud Olsen
10 Deres sønner
Maren Knudsdatter
73
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/253558:61749 |
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ToreL
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Posted - 10/10/2022 : 06:22:24
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| Note in particular that the original 1801 census record states that Maren Knudsdatter was the husband's mother. |
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johanAronsen63
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 10/10/2022 : 06:30:35
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| Yes, I believe that she died in approximately 1801, the same year of the census. She was born in 1728 and got married in 1756, I think. |
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jkmarler
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/10/2022 : 21:45:07
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There are several family trees on Ancestry.com for this family. Not a lot of original sources listed so the use of a Bygdebok might be needed to confirm this data.
Most of the trees are focused on this descendant of Ole
Gunda Marie Øhrn
1863–1916
BIRTH 1863 • Norway
DEATH 10 JUL 1916 • Kings, New York, USA
Johan Aronson
in the New York, New York, U.S., Extracted Marriage Index, 1866-1937
Name: Johan Aronson
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 4 Jun 1887
Marriage Place: Kings, New York, USA
Spouse: Grinder Ohrn
Certificate Number: 1987
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/180275024/person/302343922837/facts
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AntonH
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Posted - 11/10/2022 : 21:54:52
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Probably the marriage of Maren
Niels Hansen Oren
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Niels Hansen Oren
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 17 Apr 1756
Marriage Place: Kongsberg, Buskerud, Norway
Spouse:
Maren Knudsdr Enger
FHL Film Number: 123983
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/2142008:60095
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AntonH
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AntonH
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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9216 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2022 : 23:01:16
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Laurine Martine Gundersdatter
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Laurine Martine Gundersdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 25 Nov 1822
Baptism Date: 05 Jan 1823
Baptism Place: Garnison Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Father:
Gunder Hernas
Mother:
Berthe Cecilia Olsdr
FHL Film Number: 125779
Reference ID: 2:1MGS7G6
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/17555617:60092 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 11/10/2022 : 23:06:14
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Probably the marriage of Gunder Olsen and Berthe Cecilia Olsdatter in 1822.
Cecilia Olsdr
in the Norway Marriages, 1600s-1800s
Name: Cecilia Olsdr
Age: 29 years
Gender: Female
Birth Date: Ca.1793
Previously Married: Yes
Marriage Date: 15 Feb 1822
Marriage Place: Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Spouse: Gunder Olsen
Spouse's Age: 24 years
Spouse's Gender: Male
Spouse's Birth Date: Ca.1798
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/411165:1346?ssrc=pt&tid=180275024&pid=302343922887 |
Edited by - AntonH on 12/10/2022 02:14:23 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 12/10/2022 : 02:43:32
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There is a family tree on Geni.com for
Ole Nielsen Øhrn
Gender: Male
Birth: December 01, 1798
Modum, Buskerud
Death: September 13, 1833 (34)
Kongeberg, Buskerud
Immediate Family:
Son of Niels Hansen Øhrn and Maren Knudsdatter Enger
Husband of Elsebet Larsdatter Myhra
Father of Knut Olsen Øhrn
Added by: Ole Petter Weflaat on April 28, 2022
Managed by: Ole Petter Weflaat
Does not seem to work to try and post a full link to the Geni.com tree?
Another thing is that the birth year for Ole Nielsen is wrong. It should be 1758 NOT 1798.
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AntonH
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Posted - 12/10/2022 : 02:53:50
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The tree shows the son of Ole Nielsen as Knud Olsen born about 1791. That seems to be correct and Knud shows up with the family in the 1801 Census that was posted above. And here again
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058268006101
But the tree has this person as the father of Ole Nielsen.
Niels Hansen Øhrn (Øren)
Norwegian: Nils Hansen Øren
Gender: Male
Birth: 1735
Øren, Årdal, Sogn og Fjordane
Death: September 06, 1788 (52-53)
Kongsberg, Buskerud
Immediate Family:
Husband of Maren Knudsdatter Enger
Father of Ole Nielsen Øhrn
Now I believe that there is a Øren. farm in Årdal Parish, Sogn og Fjordane. But it seems a long ways from there to Buskerud parish?
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Edited by - AntonH on 12/10/2022 03:02:57 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 12/10/2022 : 03:14:11
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Well in this discussion of the family in Slekt og Data it does appear that Niels Hansen Øhrn (Øren) was born about 1735 in Årdal (Lærdal), Sogn og Fjordane. Father appears to be a Hans Henrichsen Øren of Sogn og Fjordane.
https://slektogdata.no/slektsforum/viewtopic.php?t=78918 |
Edited by - AntonH on 12/10/2022 03:49:24 |
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*Johan’s genealogical study #3*
