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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 13/10/2022 : 17:15:54
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| There are 16 children born in Buskerud in 1784 +/- 10 to a father named Elias. None with a name near to Karen Lovise. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 13/10/2022 : 17:16:32
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This annual has a reference to Nils Pedersen Stubberud:
Tittel
Eikerminne : tidsskrift utgitt av Eiker historielag. 1957 Vol. 3
Serietittel
Eikerminne
Publisert
xx:Historielaget, 1957
But the accessibility is this:
Tilgjengelig etter bestemte vilkår
which Google Translate says means:
Available under certain conditions
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/10/2022 : 00:43:34
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Originally posted by AntonH
I can also find the baptism record for Peder in the Ancestry.com data base, but I do not find any other children for Niels and Astri in the 1782 to 1792 time frame
Peder Nilsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Peder Nilsen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 01 Jan 1790
Baptism Place: Norderhov,Buskerud,Norway
Father:
Niels Pedersen
Mother:
Astri Bertelsdr
FHL Film Number: 124052
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/3244369:60092
Well, I guess I'm too lazy to live! Thanks for finding. |
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jkmarler
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USA
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/10/2022 : 21:52:06
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| I found it a little odd that all of the four girls with father named Elias lived in Nordland. Any rational reason for that? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/10/2022 : 22:30:46
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(since the Digitalarkivet search engine can't limit by time for some reason right now.) at the Digitalarkivet:
It has been like that for some time. Makes looking for someone who lets say emigrated in 1903 a real pain since you get all the emigrations no matter what year for that person.
Good list but very heavily wighted to Nordland
If we believe the death record and she was born around 1784, then only four of the women fit. Three from Nordland and one from Troms. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/10/2022 : 03:43:54
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Hope that it will be fixable.
I did look through Kongsberg's births/baptisms of 1784 and I noticed that there were very many fathers listed as being from other districts, but it looks like that practice of identifying "furiners" didn't continue into the 18teens and 20s. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/10/2022 : 03:57:17
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Originally posted by AntonH
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(since the Digitalarkivet search engine can't limit by time for some reason right now.) at the Digitalarkivet:
It has been like that for some time. Makes looking for someone who lets say emigrated in 1903 a real pain since you get all the emigrations no matter what year for that person.
Good list but very heavily wighted to Nordland
If we believe the death record and she was born around 1784, then only four of the women fit. Three from Nordland and one from Troms.
The hard part would be to get her to Kongsberg, though. Maybe she was from Sweden or Denmark? |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 18/10/2022 : 00:08:28
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| Agreed, seems that many males made the journey to Kongsberg for mining work, but seems less likely that an unmarried woman would travel very far in the 1700's. Isn't there an old saying that a Norwegian woman was married within 50 km of her home. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 18/10/2022 : 11:23:22
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| Another old saying, you know you're in a small town if everybody is your friend after you've been there a week but you're still the "newcomer" when you've lived there 50 years.... |
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ToreL
Advanced member
Norway
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Posted - 18/10/2022 : 21:08:25
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Originally posted by AntonH
Well in this discussion of the family in Slekt og Data it does appear that Niels Hansen Øhrn (Øren) was born about 1735 in Årdal (Lærdal), Sogn og Fjordane. Father appears to be a Hans Henrichsen Øren of Sogn og Fjordane.
https://slektogdata.no/slektsforum/viewtopic.php?t=78918
Knut Bryn was a contributor to this discussion at Slektsforum in 2009. In 2010 he wrote a dissertation on recruitment for Årdal copper works.. Copper mining at Årdal was discontinued in 1734, whereupon most of the workers relocated to Kongsberg. Twenty years later there was new activity for some years, but in the end 17 new workers left Årdal for Kongsberg. (Page 71 of the dissertation.) The dissertation mentions some workers with the Øren surname, but I haven't been following this discussion closely enough to determine how relevant they are. (For the past week or more I have ended up at Plesk every time I tried to access this site.) |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 18/10/2022 : 22:07:16
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Yes; seems to be some struggles with Plesk,, which seems to be some kind of web hosting site.
I think that the postings on Slekt og Data have me convinced that Niels Olsen Øhrn was born about 1789 in Årdal,, Sogn og Fjordane and moved at some point in time to Kongsberg for work in the mines there. So the assumption is that he met a Karen Lovisa Eliasdatter there and married her. But no evidence has been found as to who this girl is and where she was born.
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johanAronsen63
Junior member
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Posted - 12/02/2023 : 07:58:43
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| When it says that Niels Olsen Øhrn (b. 1789) was a "malermester," it means that he's a master painter, right? If so, then what did that job consist of in the 18th and 19th centuries. It looks strange that in those times one would pick such an occupation, as it doesn't seem to pay much even today. Also, if he was a painter is there any chance that his art is still circulating around somewhere, maybe still in Kongsberg? |
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dylankylesimon
Senior member
USA
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Posted - 13/02/2023 : 02:31:25
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Originally posted by johanAronsen63
When it says that Niels Olsen Øhrn (b. 1789) was a "malermester," it means that he's a master painter, right? If so, then what did that job consist of in the 18th and 19th centuries. It looks strange that in those times one would pick such an occupation, as it doesn't seem to pay much even today. Also, if he was a painter is there any chance that his art is still circulating around somewhere, maybe still in Kongsberg?
Malestermester, or as you say in german Malermeister is in most cases not a canvas painter, but more one who paints walls, rooms, houses, etc. The Malermeister that I have met, typically only paints rooms. So I doubt there is any art involved here unless malermester was understood differently in the 18th and 19th centuries. I also would translate it more as an experienced painter.
The Malermeister is the painter-master. He is very good at painting, so he got the Meisterbrief, a certificate for tradesmen. It is pretty important to have one in Germany, if you want to have success with your job or even own a workshop.
A "Maler" can either be a house painter or an artist painter.
A "Malermeister" is always a house painter, never an artist.
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