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Audlin
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Australia
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Posted - 07/09/2018 :  07:23:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello forumites - I have two small bits of information regarding my father.
Firstly, someone asked whether he had ever worked on ships and I do remember my mother speaking of him working on ships. Also, my sister's middle name is Madeline/Madeleine because this was the name of Elias's sister. Finally, I know his grave site says 1900, but that is incorrect and when the gravestone was finally done, my mother's mind had started to slip. His birthday could be any time, I only said July 2nd as I was tracking the wrong Elias.

Audrey Lindsay

jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran

USA
5939 Posts

Posted - 07/09/2018 :  17:22:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Okay Audrey, I think we have to start at the very beginning. These are the things that have been held as family traditions about your dad:

1. from Bergen
2. may have worked as a sailor or on ships
3. had a sister named Madeline
4. employed as a chef at death
5. married Phyllis Johnston about 1943

Other things we know or surmise from the only two records found online known to be about your father:
5. about age 55 in 1952 so roughly born about 1897 (newspaper)
6. killed in a car accident on 9 March 1952 (newspaper)
7. buried with a headstone that gives his birthdate as 28 May 1900 which date is now not reliable
8. married in Montreal, Quebec 2 Oct 1943

Do you know where you and your sister were born? Do you have your own birth certificates? If not, please acquire.

Do you have your parent's marriage certificate? If not please acquire.

Do you have your father's death certificate? If not please acquire.

You have a definite need to get records in Canada on your father which were created in his lifetime or the result of his death. Memories will only go so far.

I think you said that you had Elias' obituary. If you are able you might want to post it. A couple of us here have looked at the newspapers found online but not found it. Otherwise, retype it and post it so the information is available to all on the site.

Since this 3rd topic is a fresh start and since your daughter-in-law has been online, you might want to invite her to this topic as well. You definitely need to get the documents outlined above. When you have them, perhaps your daughter-in-law can help you post them for the forum to work with.





Edited by - jkmarler on 19/09/2018 16:18:21
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Audlin
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Australia
14 Posts

Posted - 08/09/2018 :  08:39:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Jkmarler - I agree we have to start from the beginning. My sister is now trying to obtain the Canadian information. i.e. police report, death certificate, naturalisation,. Both my sister and I have our own birth certificates. I will try to get the marriage certicate for my parents) I will ask Holly to join the site (she is more clever with computers than I am). I will post/attach whatever we get asap.
Will be in touch.

Audrey Lindsay
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ToreL
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Norway
25 Posts

Posted - 08/09/2018 :  17:47:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This may be a long shot, but if Madeleine was named after Elias' mother rather than his sister, then the following family in the Norwegian 1900 census may be worth a look. They were living in Fana, which is now part of Bergen:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01037324005329

The Elias Olsen in this family was born in 1895. No birthday given, but then there is this entry in the 1910 census, with an Elias Olsen born May 28th (!!) in 1895.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01036693008014

The rest of the family (plus three siblings born in the meantime) can be found a stone's throw away, at Skjoldheim:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01036693007763

The birth date of his younger brother Ole matches that on the gravestone of Ole (Olsen) Skjoldheim:

https://www.disnorge.no/gravminner/bilde.php?id=4333124

Finally, one Elias Olsen Skjoldheim, born 1895, is listed in a Bergen sailors’ roll:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/166/oc00000001013459

Tore

Edited by - ToreL on 09/09/2018 22:46:21
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran

USA
5939 Posts

Posted - 09/09/2018 :  10:46:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Totally interesting. Obituaries don't give full names of all survivors, however for this family.

Obit does confirm that the Ole Skjoldheim you've found in Gravminner is a child of Elias' parents.

Ole Skjoldheim, the father does die 3 March 1935
Malene Skjoldheim, the mother does die on or about 28 Feb 1949.

OCR read is all that I can see at the National Library site.

The son Elias' exact birthdate is 16 May 1895 #26:
SAB, Birkeland Sokneprestembete, H/Haa: Parish register (official) no. A 2, 1888-1899, p. 52
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060508030233

Confirmation # 11 Elias Olsen Skjoldheim:
SAB, Birkeland Sokneprestembete, H/Haa: Parish register (official) no. A 3, 1900-1912, p. 148
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050809040239


Edited by - jkmarler on 09/09/2018 11:20:42
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ToreL
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Norway
25 Posts

Posted - 11/09/2018 :  14:27:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is the newspaper advert in Bergens Tidende about the death of Malene Skjoldheim in 1949. Elias is not listed among the survivors:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xXPQrn2G7tGL5w8HdNR7h5RbPS6JYG0v

Not a good sign, although I suppose it doesn't completely exclude this candidate.

Edited by - ToreL on 11/09/2018 14:28:42
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran

USA
5939 Posts

Posted - 11/09/2018 :  16:11:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There is a Fana Bygdebok which comes up at the National Library site when searching for Skjoldheim, of course only for Norwegian IP addresses. Does it contain anything on the family?:

Fana bygdebok. 4 : Gards- og ættesoge

Tilgang:
Tilgang for norske IP-adresser
Forfatter:
Larsen, Jacob T.
Publisert:
Fana bygdebokmemnd
Språk:
Norsk (Nynorsk)
Emne:
Norge | Bygdebøker | Fana | Gårdshistorie | Slektshistorie | fana | historie | norge
Dewey:
948.3631
UDK:
948.154 |
948.153 |
948.154Fana |
908(481.535)
Materialtype:
bøker
Antall sider:
873
Varig lenke:
http://urn.nb.no/URN:NBN:no-nb_digibok_2016061748113
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lynn peterson432
Medium member

USA
168 Posts

Posted - 11/09/2018 :  19:58:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
found a madeline olssen born 1874 1910 norwegian census bergen norway1900 census bergen madeline looks like the same madeline audrin mention that elias had a sister madeline
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ToreL
Starting member

Norway
25 Posts

Posted - 11/09/2018 :  21:35:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Regarding Fana Bygdebok, at the end of the link above: It doesn't seem to cover Skjoldheim. Skjoldheim appears to be a newer (post-1900) and probably small parceling out of the Skjold farm, perhaps too small to be used as a farm at all. (Whereas Ole Eriksen was a farmer in 1900, while living at Sørås, he was a stone worker in 1910, while living at Skjoldheim.)

In any event, Skjoldheim is parcel no. (bruksnr in Norwegian) 29 of the Skjold farm according to the 1910 census, and the bygdebook says nothing about this parcel number or the people living there.
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ToreL
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Norway
25 Posts

Posted - 11/09/2018 :  21:56:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is something interesting: Elias Olsen Skjoldheim escaped ship in Bathurst in 1914. Googling Bathurst today gives two main results: One being 100km inland in Australia and another being a port in New Brunswick, Canada!

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/ru10611705172176

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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran

Norway
4575 Posts

Posted - 11/09/2018 :  22:13:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The ship Farmand of Bergen left Bathurst Oct 10 1914, headed for Havana.
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ToreL
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Norway
25 Posts

Posted - 11/09/2018 :  22:21:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
But without Elias. In the column "afmønstret eller afgaaet" (signed off or left) it says "rømt i Bathurst" (eascaped in Bathurst).
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran

Norway
4575 Posts

Posted - 11/09/2018 :  22:28:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ToreL

But without Elias. In the column "afmønstret eller afgaaet" (signed off or left) it says "rømt i Bathurst" (eascaped in Bathurst).


Yes. Very interesting! Farmand arrived Havana Oct 26th.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran

USA
5939 Posts

Posted - 12/09/2018 :  01:05:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lynn peterson432

found a madeline olssen born 1874 1910 norwegian census bergen norway1900 census bergen madeline looks like the same madeline audrin mention that elias had a sister madeline



Is she Olssen because she is the daughter of Ole or because she is Emil's wife? Not enough information to rule her in or out. And it says she was born in Sweden....

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036708056496
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran

USA
5939 Posts

Posted - 12/09/2018 :  01:08:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ToreL

Here is something interesting: Elias Olsen Skjoldheim escaped ship in Bathurst in 1914. Googling Bathurst today gives two main results: One being 100km inland in Australia and another being a port in New Brunswick, Canada!

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/ru10611705172176



Interesting that he went AWOL after one voyage and left in Canada....
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ToreL
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Norway
25 Posts

Posted - 12/09/2018 :  02:19:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Regarding relative’s name: In my experience, renaming doesn’t require use of exactly the same spelling. Madeleine and Malene are both versions of Magdalena,
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