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Audlin
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 07/09/2018 : 07:23:09
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Hello forumites - I have two small bits of information regarding my father. Firstly, someone asked whether he had ever worked on ships and I do remember my mother speaking of him working on ships. Also, my sister's middle name is Madeline/Madeleine because this was the name of Elias's sister. Finally, I know his grave site says 1900, but that is incorrect and when the gravestone was finally done, my mother's mind had started to slip. His birthday could be any time, I only said July 2nd as I was tracking the wrong Elias. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2018 : 17:22:45
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Okay Audrey, I think we have to start at the very beginning. These are the things that have been held as family traditions about your dad:
1. from Bergen 2. may have worked as a sailor or on ships 3. had a sister named Madeline 4. employed as a chef at death 5. married Phyllis Johnston about 1943
Other things we know or surmise from the only two records found online known to be about your father: 5. about age 55 in 1952 so roughly born about 1897 (newspaper) 6. killed in a car accident on 9 March 1952 (newspaper) 7. buried with a headstone that gives his birthdate as 28 May 1900 which date is now not reliable 8. married in Montreal, Quebec 2 Oct 1943
Do you know where you and your sister were born? Do you have your own birth certificates? If not, please acquire.
Do you have your parent's marriage certificate? If not please acquire.
Do you have your father's death certificate? If not please acquire.
You have a definite need to get records in Canada on your father which were created in his lifetime or the result of his death. Memories will only go so far.
I think you said that you had Elias' obituary. If you are able you might want to post it. A couple of us here have looked at the newspapers found online but not found it. Otherwise, retype it and post it so the information is available to all on the site.
Since this 3rd topic is a fresh start and since your daughter-in-law has been online, you might want to invite her to this topic as well. You definitely need to get the documents outlined above. When you have them, perhaps your daughter-in-law can help you post them for the forum to work with.
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Audlin
Starting member
Australia
19 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2018 : 08:39:08
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Hi Jkmarler - I agree we have to start from the beginning. My sister is now trying to obtain the Canadian information. i.e. police report, death certificate, naturalisation,. Both my sister and I have our own birth certificates. I will try to get the marriage certicate for my parents) I will ask Holly to join the site (she is more clever with computers than I am). I will post/attach whatever we get asap. Will be in touch. |
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ToreL
Advanced member
Norway
797 Posts |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2018 : 10:46:59
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Totally interesting. Obituaries don't give full names of all survivors, however for this family.
Obit does confirm that the Ole Skjoldheim you've found in Gravminner is a child of Elias' parents.
Ole Skjoldheim, the father does die 3 March 1935 Malene Skjoldheim, the mother does die on or about 28 Feb 1949.
OCR read is all that I can see at the National Library site.
The son Elias' exact birthdate is 16 May 1895 #26: SAB, Birkeland Sokneprestembete, H/Haa: Parish register (official) no. A 2, 1888-1899, p. 52 Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060508030233
Confirmation # 11 Elias Olsen Skjoldheim: SAB, Birkeland Sokneprestembete, H/Haa: Parish register (official) no. A 3, 1900-1912, p. 148 Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050809040239
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ToreL
Advanced member
Norway
797 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2018 : 14:27:21
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Here is the newspaper advert in Bergens Tidende about the death of Malene Skjoldheim in 1949. Elias is not listed among the survivors:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xXPQrn2G7tGL5w8HdNR7h5RbPS6JYG0v
Not a good sign, although I suppose it doesn't completely exclude this candidate. |
Edited by - ToreL on 11/09/2018 14:28:42 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2018 : 16:11:06
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There is a Fana Bygdebok which comes up at the National Library site when searching for Skjoldheim, of course only for Norwegian IP addresses. Does it contain anything on the family?:
Fana bygdebok. 4 : Gards- og ættesoge
Tilgang: Tilgang for norske IP-adresser Forfatter: Larsen, Jacob T. Publisert: Fana bygdebokmemnd Språk: Norsk (Nynorsk) Emne: Norge | Bygdebøker | Fana | Gårdshistorie | Slektshistorie | fana | historie | norge Dewey: 948.3631 UDK: 948.154 | 948.153 | 948.154Fana | 908(481.535) Materialtype: bøker Antall sider: 873 Varig lenke: http://urn.nb.no/URN:NBN:no-nb_digibok_2016061748113 |
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lynn peterson432
Medium member
USA
168 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2018 : 19:58:54
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found a madeline olssen born 1874 1910 norwegian census bergen norway1900 census bergen madeline looks like the same madeline audrin mention that elias had a sister madeline |
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ToreL
Advanced member
Norway
797 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2018 : 21:35:46
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Regarding Fana Bygdebok, at the end of the link above: It doesn't seem to cover Skjoldheim. Skjoldheim appears to be a newer (post-1900) and probably small parceling out of the Skjold farm, perhaps too small to be used as a farm at all. (Whereas Ole Eriksen was a farmer in 1900, while living at Sørås, he was a stone worker in 1910, while living at Skjoldheim.)
In any event, Skjoldheim is parcel no. (bruksnr in Norwegian) 29 of the Skjold farm according to the 1910 census, and the bygdebook says nothing about this parcel number or the people living there. |
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ToreL
Advanced member
Norway
797 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2018 : 21:56:09
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Here is something interesting: Elias Olsen Skjoldheim escaped ship in Bathurst in 1914. Googling Bathurst today gives two main results: One being 100km inland in Australia and another being a port in New Brunswick, Canada!
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/ru10611705172176
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2018 : 22:13:00
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The ship Farmand of Bergen left Bathurst Oct 10 1914, headed for Havana. |
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ToreL
Advanced member
Norway
797 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2018 : 22:21:55
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But without Elias. In the column "afmønstret eller afgaaet" (signed off or left) it says "rømt i Bathurst" (eascaped in Bathurst). |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2018 : 22:28:59
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quote: Originally posted by ToreL
But without Elias. In the column "afmønstret eller afgaaet" (signed off or left) it says "rømt i Bathurst" (eascaped in Bathurst).
Yes. Very interesting! Farmand arrived Havana Oct 26th. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2018 : 01:05:41
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quote: Originally posted by lynn peterson432
found a madeline olssen born 1874 1910 norwegian census bergen norway1900 census bergen madeline looks like the same madeline audrin mention that elias had a sister madeline
Is she Olssen because she is the daughter of Ole or because she is Emil's wife? Not enough information to rule her in or out. And it says she was born in Sweden....
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036708056496 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2018 : 01:08:13
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quote: Originally posted by ToreL
Here is something interesting: Elias Olsen Skjoldheim escaped ship in Bathurst in 1914. Googling Bathurst today gives two main results: One being 100km inland in Australia and another being a port in New Brunswick, Canada!
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/ru10611705172176
Interesting that he went AWOL after one voyage and left in Canada.... |
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ToreL
Advanced member
Norway
797 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2018 : 02:19:59
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Regarding relative’s name: In my experience, renaming doesn’t require use of exactly the same spelling. Madeleine and Malene are both versions of Magdalena, |
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