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NancyB
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 Posted - 16/01/2017 : 22:42:15
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| Thank you, jkmarler, for the wealth of information on this family. I was braced for disappointment, but also hopeful that something might connect to Betsy because of the DNA. I will look at Dan's other great-great grandparents before moving up a generation. This one looked the most promising, so that's why I started there. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 16/01/2017 : 22:46:46
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| You didn't note that target Britha's brother came to US in 1879...And his bill was paid for in America. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/01/2017 : 23:20:15
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Hmm, Lars J arrival in America. He is listed as going to Northwood Iowa.
Lars J Vigoren
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Lars J Vigoren
Gender: Male
Age: 20
Birth Year: abt 1859
Date of Arrival: 2 Jun 1879
Vessel: Sarmatian
Search Ship Database: Search for the Sarmatian in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 17/01/2017 : 00:41:20
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Well here's a possible and there are others in Worth county/ or Iowa:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MDLT-HMF
Might be a good find. The farm he is working on belongs to a man from Vik.
Ole Olsen Tenold Jr
in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current
Name: Ole Olsen Tenold Jr
Birth Date: 28 Nov 1841
Birth Place: Vik kommune, Sogn og Fjordane fylke, Norway
Death Date: 6 Apr 1914
Death Place: Kensett, Worth County, Iowa, USA
Cemetery: Kensett Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Kensett, Worth County, Iowa, USA
Has Bio?: Y
Children: Henry E. Tenold
Alfred Oliver Tenold
The person identified as Bertie Olson Male is actually a female based on the original census document. Born in 1861.
Might it be Britha Olsdatr Mørkeskog, the person next to Lars on the emigration document and just above him on the digitalarkivet record as well.
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NancyB
Medium member
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Posted - 17/01/2017 : 03:25:27
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These are all great finds,and I have one to share, too. There are actually two Betsy Johnsons who could be candidates for my Betsy Johnson on the 1870 Northwood, Iowa, census.
#1 on page 2. Betsy (19) is living with the Simon Boyd famliy as a housekeeper.
#2 on page 9. This Betsy is living with the Chas. Wardall family as a domestic servant. Her age is transcribed as 11, but it is written over so that it's hard to tell for sure. To me it looks like it was 16 or 18 before being changed. Living immediately next door is Louis Gullackson (37) and his wife "G" (26), both born in Norway. Not sure who he is just yet, but the Gullackson name jumped out at me.
But continue on to page 11 of the Northwood census and you find the family of ASLAK GULLAKSON that I think matches to the son of Gullach Johannesen and Cicila Aslachsdtr. That Aslak was born 26 Jun 1819 in Krekke, Kirkebo/Kyrkebø, S-Fjrd. He is the BROTHER of Johannes Gullaksen (discussed above as a possible father of Betsy) who fathered children with 4 women.
Now I'm going to go back and take a closer look at the new stuff posted today, but I wanted to toss out what I found, too. I'm pretty excited! Thank you, jkmarler and lyndal40. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/01/2017 : 03:59:16
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Just might be the right Aslak. In the 1900 Census his birth is given as Jun 1819. Part of the record shown
Name: Aslak Gullickson
[Ablah Gullickson]
Age: 80
Birth Date: Jun 1819
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1900: Northwood, Worth, Iowa
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1852
Relation to Head of House: Father in Law
[Father-in-law]
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Ingabor Gullickson
Marriage Year: 1853
Years Married: 47
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
I noticed in the 1860 Census that the first son Erick was born in Norway. This is likely him.
Erich Aslaksen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Erich Aslaksen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 28 des 1852 (28 Dec 1852)
Baptism Date: 1 jan 1853
Baptism Place: , Vik I Sogn, Sogn Og Fjordane, Norway
Father: Aslak Gulaksen
Mother: Ingeborg Sjursdr
FHL Film Number: 278156
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20070306620167
Parents marriage
Aslak Gulaksen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Aslak Gulaksen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 2 jul 1852
Marriage Place: Hove I Sogn,Sogn Og Fjordane,Norway
Spouse: Ingeborg Sjursdr
FHL Film Number: 126587
See number 9
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070306620351 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/01/2017 : 17:43:50
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Following a Family Tree on Ancestry.com that has identified Louis Gullackson as this person.
Lars Gulliksen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Lars Gulliksen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: mai 1832 (May 1832)
Baptism Date: 18 mai 1832 (18 May 1832)
Baptism Place: Voss,Hordaland,Norway
Father: Gulleik Larss.
Mother: Marthe Steffensdr
Maybe a little digging can confirm that. |
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jkmarler
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NancyB
Medium member
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104 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2017 : 01:41:16
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Brithe Johannesdatter b/bap:
10 Mar 1849 #22:
SAB, Vik Sokneprestembete, Parish register (official) no. A 8, 1846-1865, p. 21
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20070306620144
Brithe Johannesdatter confirmation #30
SAB, Vik Sokneprestembete, Parish register (official) no. A 8, 1846-1865, p. 244
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20070306620335
Possibly Brithe in the 1865 census:
https://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01038253001654
Quickly running through the utflyttedes from Vik between 1866-1873, these are possibles:
1866 #55 Brithe Johannesdtr Balreat (?) aged 27
1866 #60 Brithe Johannesdtr Hopperstad aged 15
eliminated on page 12 this topic
1869 #29 Brithe Johnsdtr aged 34
1873 #12 Brithe Johannsdtr aged 20
I can't help but think we're on the right trail after finding Aslak Gullickson, a son of the GGGgrandfather of my mother's DNA match, on the 1870 census in Northwood, Iowa, with Betsy. I don't think I will be able to get this Brithe off my mind until we find her after 1865. If there is no marriage or death record for her in Norway, is it possible she emigrated without leaving a record in Norway?
I'm also trying to find if Gullak Johannesen (1791 - 1819) and Cecilia Aslachdr (1780 - 1819) had children other than Aslak and Johannes. So far I haven't come up with anything.
It feels like Betsy is hiding right in front of us! I'm open to suggestions on where to look next. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 18/01/2017 : 06:56:32
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| It is entirely possible that Brithe left Norway without leaving a record of the move at her parish. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 18/01/2017 : 19:08:01
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Searched for any Britha Johnsdatter who died between 1866 and 1875 in Vik, total is 9. None of these match target Britta as to age. (Ages were: 7 days, 9 weeks, 2 years, 3 years +, 47 years, 50 years, 58 years, 75 years, 89 years.) Of these 9, 4 are of such an age that they would have been born between 1866 and 1875, so remainder is 5. None of the decedants have Vigøren as associated place name.
Searched for any Britha Johnsdatter who married in Vik between 1866-1875, there are three. None have a father named Johannes Gullakson and none with associated place name of Vigøren..
There was one potential move-in to Vik between 1866-1875 coming in 1869 from Hyllestad named Brithe Jonasdatter or Jensdatter.
And I have to add to the previous four departures Brithe Johnsdatter Ovrid age 17 1/2 who left with her family in 1868 who was discussed ad nauseum earlier in the topic.
In the 1865 census for Vik there are a total of 40 Br* Jo* residing in Vik.
In the 1875 census for Vik there are a total of 34 Br* Jo* residing in Vik.
Circumstantially, target Brithe is likely to have been faddernes as her father and brother were for at least one of her sister Guri / Gurine's children's baptisms and she is not there. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 18/01/2017 : 23:08:04
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Since Johannes Gullaksen died on 26 January 1907 in Vik in Sogn og Fjordane, there may be a dødfallsprotokol for him, which if the force be with you, it might be available or the archives might search for you. What you are hoping to find with it is either the names of each of the survivors and their age and locations or a statistical category such as 3 adult children 1 in America etc. You won't know until you go! I assume the Bergen archives might be able to help you via email:
The Regional State Archives in Bergen
Statsarkivet i Bergen
Årstadveien 22
N- 5009 Bergen
NORWAY
Telephone: +47 55 96 58 00
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NancyB
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Posted - 19/01/2017 : 01:09:41
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Since Johannes Gullaksen died on 26 January 1907 in Vik in Sogn og Fjordane, there may be a dødfallsprotokol for him, which if the force be with you, it might be available or the archives might search for you. What you are hoping to find with it is either the names of each of the survivors and their age and locations or a statistical category such as 3 adult children 1 in America etc. You won't know until you go! I assume the Bergen archives might be able to help you via email:
Thank you for this suggestion and the additional research in your previous post. I will definitely try emailing them, and if the force be with me, they will speak English!  |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 19/01/2017 : 16:07:15
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| English is the required second language in Norway. Most of the young ones, fresher from their school experience, do well. The older ones probably understand but are more reticent to speak it. |
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Betsy Johnson of Bergen
