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norwaynut
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 Posted - 22/03/2014 : 17:28:37
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| Am stumped by where to look for this family in Parrish records. Searching Gjobi "Julia" Sexe born 1832 who married Amund cragwick in Illinois! She immigrated with a number of Sexe people in 1856. Can't her parents and one brother is Kristen b. 1826. Just can't seem to find where the parish records are. Lorene |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 22/03/2014 : 17:35:02
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The scanned church books from Ullensvang/Kinsarvik link
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Edited by - Kåarto on 22/03/2014 17:57:17 |
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eibache
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Posted - 22/03/2014 : 21:03:17
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Originally posted by norwaynut
Searching Gjobi "Julia" Sexe born 1832 who married Amund cragwick in Illinois! She immigrated with a number of Sexe people in 1856.
She was born Aug 28 1832 and baptized Gyri. Her parents were Helje Pedersen and Kari Christensdatter, øvste Sexe, see #70.
Gyri Heljesdatter, Sexe moved out from Ullensvang 1856, see #33.
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Edited by - eibache on 22/03/2014 21:10:20 |
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JaneC
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Posted - 22/03/2014 : 23:22:18
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In addition to the link Kåre supplied, another useful site for finding the parish book you want is Family Search website.
Another gateway is here:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_fylke=12&idx_kommune=Ullensvang+prgj&idx_kilde=Alle&idx_periode=&idx_textsearch=&js=j
Birth record for Christen Helliesen born 18 March 1826 parents Hellie Pedersen and Kari Christensdatter, SOURCE Hordaland county, Ullensvang, Parish register (official) nr. A 10 (1825-1853), Birth and baptism records 1826, page 5.
#33:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070522640545.jpg
Following, some information much of which may repeat your findings and family knowledge, but it's great to see it confirms the birth record eibache posted.
Julia buried at Greenwood Cemetery, Ellsworth, Hamilton County, Iowa. Cemetery index lists her born 28 August 1832.
http://iagenweb.org/hamilton/Greenwood.html
On the above cemetery link Christen Sexe b 1826 is likely Julia's brother, per this discussion (as one of many family relationships at First Lutheran) - and you also refer to a large group of family and neighbors immigrating together:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NORWAY/2012-02/1330527567
But Christian's actual gravestone is inscribed Christen Heliesen Sexe, born 18 March 1826:
http://iowagravestones.org/gs_view.php?id=939282
You probably have the US census showing family lived in Lee, Illinois in 1860 and 1870 census. Here's a link to First Lutheran Church records, Willow Creek Township, Lee, Illinois, kindly transcribed and posted online.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ilslrhm/Baptism%20Records.htm
On this link Julia's name is given as Gyrid Helgesdtr., M. Sekse (sometimes being aware of alternate spellings really helps in furthering research):
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NORWAY/2012-02/1330517141
From the First Lutheran records posted above:
BIRTH
Julia Hellena
Born 30 March 1867
Baptized 21 April 1867
Parents
Amund Olsen Kragervig
Gjori Helgesenn Kragervig
Baptismal sponsors Mikkel O. Kragevig, Lars Tortensen, Margreta O. Kragevig, Inger Tortensen, Ingebor O. Kragevig
BIRTH
Julie Helene
Born 18 October 1869
07 November 1869
Parents
Amund Olsen Kragevig
Gjori Helgesdatter
Baptismal sponsors Helge Larsen Bustethun, Lars Olsen, Else Pedersdatter Rogde, Martha Wegleiksdatter, Guro Larsdatter
BIRTH
Ingeleiv Malene
Birth 09 January 1872
Baptism 18 February 1872
Parents
Amund O. Kragevig
Gjyri Helgesdatter
Baptismal sponsors Lars Ullensvang & husfru, Haakon Espe, Ole Wasthun, Martha M? Sager, Carol. Sexe
BIRTH
Amund Christian
Birth 11 September 1874
Baptism 11 October 1874
Parents
Amund O. Cragevick
Gjori Helgesdatter
Baptismal sponsors Abraham Svendsen, Martin Sexe, Helge Nelson, Martha J. Sexe, Julia Christopher
Probably the Ommund O. Kragvik found on the above First Lutheran Church link is Amund in an alternate spelling of his name.
You no doubt have the US census recordds; posting here helps confirm that the above Gjyri (posted by eibache) is the same person you are talking about.
1860
Alto, Lee, Illinois
Amon Olson 27, wife Julia, 27, daughter Ann, 7 months.
1870
Alto, Lee, Illinonis
Edmund Cragwick 38
Julia Cragwick 38
Anna Cragwick 11, all the children born Ilinois
Ole Cragwick 9
Henry Cragwick 6
Julia Cragwick 6/12
Ole Nelson 18, farm hand, born Norway
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Lincoln, Hamilton, Iowa
Amond O. Craigwick 48 born about 1832 Norway, farmer
Julia H. Craigwick 47 born about 1833 Norway
Ole O. Craigwick 18 born Illinois; all the children born Illinois
Carry O. Craigwick 15
Julia O. Craigwick 10
Emily O. Craigwick 9
Amond C. O. Craigwick 3 |
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Hopkins
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Posted - 23/03/2014 : 03:35:31
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"Amund Cragwick" was Oddmund Olsen from the Kråkevik farm also in Ullensvang. Oddmund's sister Margreta married Kristen Helgesen from M. Sekse farm and they also lived in or near Ellsworth, Iowa after emigrating. (Yes, Oddmund's sister married Gyrid's brother, Kristen).
The volumes of the bygdebøker (Odda, Ullensvang og Kinsarvik i gamal og ny tid) which include Ullensvang are available as copied to LDS microfilm #1124552 Items 2-9. Gyrid and Kristen's family can be found on page 361 of volume 4-2 and Oddmund and Margreta's family can be found on page 428 of volume 4-1. |
Edited by - Hopkins on 23/03/2014 03:36:49 |
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norwaynut
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Posted - 24/03/2014 : 00:01:33
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I jumped up and down when I got the first message with all kinds of church records. Then spent much time trying to find when this Hellie and Kari married--June 11, 1817 I found. Then next paged through so many pages of records but found only 4 children? And then many hours trying to find when the parents died. So didn't look until now at so much more on this family. And it must of been the Lee County Church where Julia was spelled Gjori. My information came from some very nice people in IA who passed on this Sexe- Cragwick family history written on an old typewriter for a Family Reunion in 1957 I believe. This is the most nicely written up History that I've gotten so far. The person must of done alot of letter writing as no computer back then. I am just filling in the blanks and will send a copy back to these people. While searching for digitalized records on the digitalarkivet site I noticed a message saying that this site will be taken down. Say it isn't so as I love adding birth, etc. records to my informaion. That would be a terrible lose to us. And one more thing---all my ancestories are from different Counties in Norway. On some birth records there are illigitment babies born and some times a few more "sponsors". Was trying to look for the people who came with my Julia Helegeson Cragwick in the 1850 time frame. And found a huge amount of names as "sponsors" or what were they? I do thank all of you for helping me and these people in IA who one of my kin married into this family. Lorene |
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AntonH
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Posted - 24/03/2014 : 01:07:21
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If you have access to Ancestry.com you can also do some searching. Here is the birth record for your Gyri.
Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927 about Gyri Helgesen
Name: Gyri Helgesen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 28 aug 1832
Baptism Date: 2 sep 1832
Baptism Place: , Ullensvang, Hordaland, Norway
Father: Helje Pedersen
Mother: Kari Christensdr
FHL Film Number: 124775 |
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Hopkins
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Posted - 24/03/2014 : 01:34:55
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You will find quite a few spelling variations for these people (names and farms) from Hardanger - even in local records and published materials. In Lee Co. and other nearby IL counties the spellings got even more "creative". Add in the Iowa versions and you'll have quite a collection.
4 children for Helge and Kari -- correct according to what I've seen.
In the US midwest we would call the persons on those Lutheran baptisms SPONSORS - but we can also think of them as witnesses. In Norway they tended to have quite a group of them in some parish areas. Sometimes family, friends or neighbors.
The Digitalarkivet is about to undergo some major changes - especially the front entry some of us have used for many years and the manner in which we search the many databases. We'll have to wait and see what else might be different and once again learn a few new things. I've not heard that the scanned images would not be there. The digitizing has been their major project for several years now - I doubt they plan on abandoning it.
Those of us with ancestors from Ullensvang/Kinsarvik/Odda and the other nearby areas of Hardanger usually end up being somehow distantly related - linked way way back there. There are some old family history workups that are really poorly done - I've seen quite a few of them. So I recommend that you be very careful - check as much as you can.
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AntonH
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AntonH
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Posted - 24/03/2014 : 01:45:27
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I also found the same record on Ancestry.com.
Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926 about Kari Christensdr
Name: Kari Christensdr
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 29 mai 1817 (29 May 1817)
Marriage Place: Ullensvang,Hordaland,Norway
Spouse: Hellie Pederson
FHL Film Number: 124775 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 24/03/2014 : 01:51:23
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In the marriage record shown above for Hellie Pederson it lists his age as 34. putting his birth date around 1783.
Here is a Hellie Pedersen born in 1784 in Ullensvang, Hordaland.
Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927 about Hellie Pedersen
Name: Hellie Pedersen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 18 jan 1784
Baptism Date: 21 jan 1784
Baptism Place: , Ullensvang, Hordaland, Norway
Father: Peder Henricsen
Mother: Engelef Helliesdr
FHL Film Number: 124774 |
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norwaynut
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Posted - 24/03/2014 : 16:19:14
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| Thank you so much! I am aware of many spellings and dates and will not publish or donate anything until I am sure. You have been so helpful in giving me correct info. I have had a bit of trouble with posted stuff as much contains just guesses--even with someone posting right under with different dates and people. And when they came to the uSA--forget the same names as in Norway. Guess some wanted to start a new life. Some census takers wrote down what they heard. Some Norwegian recorders of records are hard to read. Some have beautiful handwriting. And those mangle records are sometimes very hard to read. So then you try to find confirmation records with ages and alos death records with an age. sometimes still in doubt. But genealogy is very intersting to me. Lorene |
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norwaynut
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Posted - 24/03/2014 : 16:34:16
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| I see my mistake on the marriage recod for Hellie and Kari. It's lsited in Ullensvang 1804-1835 skanner ministeriabok page 49 about half way down first page. I took the June 11th date, but must be for something else. Thank you for all you have done for me. Will look next for death records for Hellie and Kari. Lorene |
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Hopkins
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Sexe family of Ullensvang, Kinservig, Hordaland, N
