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MarkLay
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 Posted - 30/03/2014 : 17:28:19
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Can anyone help me find emigration info. on C S Bergh. The family history passed down to me is that C.S. was a sailor / captain who sailed his own vessel to the USA. He was born in Norway in 1832, was married in the Buffalo, NY area in 1865 and died in Spring Lake Michigan in 1873. He lived in the Buffalo, NY area for several years and was listed as C.S. Bergh / Lake Captain in the 1860's. He also spent time in Chicago during his life. I am running into walls when I search passenger lists. I do not have any information on parents or siblings of C.S. Thanks for any help you can offer.  |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 30/03/2014 : 18:21:01
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Given his occupation I wouldn't think it would be absolute that he would be on a passenger list. He is highly likely to have been serving as skipper, mate or crew on a ship - therefore not included on ordinary passenger manifests.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 30/03/2014 : 18:30:11
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So the subject in your other post re Capt Christian B. Berg on Høvding and has been found to not be your Christian?
Bergh is not a remarkably singular name in Norway which can be tied to one area or another with precision. Berg means mountain and of course these are numerous in Norway.
Generally in your Christian's era the typical Norwegian name would consist of 3 parts the given name (Christian), the patronymic name derived from your father's given name with a son or daughter added depending on your sex, followed by an address name (which Bergh could be). The typical function is not that you inherit a surname from your father which is the standard in US at the time. But there are some exceptions to this typical naming pattern that will complicate your search.
Christian's S-beginning "middle name" could be indicative of his patronymic meaning his father's name might be Samson, Samund, Syvert, Simen, etc and all spelling variations of these. As Norwegians adapted to Yankee living they often tried to find ways in their name to make the "old" to work within the new environment.
Unfortunately there is no comprehensive search yet possible in the baptismal records of Norway. You might want to try the Norway Baptism database at familysearch.org and see if you generate any possible candidates. You may also search the transcribed baptisms at the digitalarkivet, but again these are not any where near comprehensive.
Since it appears that his birth year might only be generated from censuses, you will have to look at a variety of years.
Have you found his actual marriage record? Sometimes parents and especially fathers are mentioned as part of the record. Witnesses of the wedding might tell you who other friends and relatives are. If they are friends, it might be possible that they be friends from the same place in Norway.
Likewise, birth or baptismal records of his children might also give another iteration of his name.
Sailors in the earlier years are often not recorded on the lists. In later years long after your Christian's demise they are found on seperate lists. Captain's name may be recorded on passenger lists but that would be a longish search which may or may not yield results. Often sailors are not recorded on the "out migration" utflyttede lists at the parish level in Norway, since they might only be away temporarily. Again there are a few utflytte records which have been transcribed for a few parishes and the transcriptions are searchable at the Norwegian digital arkivet.
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MarkLay
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Posted - 31/03/2014 : 02:10:58
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| Thank you both for the quick responses and the details of passenger lists and Norwegian naming traditions. This gives me some new directions to consider. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 31/03/2014 : 03:09:43
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Well this looks like the family in 1870 Census. I did not see this in the previous two posts. Occupation is listed as sailor.
1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Christ Burgh
Age in 1870: 38
Birth Year: abt 1832
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1870: Chicago Ward 11, Cook, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Chicago
Value of real estate:
Household Members:
Name Age
Christ Burgh 38
Margrette Burgh 23
Cora Burgh 4
Maggie Burgh 3 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 03/04/2014 : 02:37:29
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Since you really don't know when Christian came to US, I'll throw this in as a long shot possible candidate. From Gerhard Naeseth's Norwegian Immigrants to the United States: A Biographical Directory, 1825-1850 Volume 2, 1844-1846, arriving US 3 July 1844 on Tricolor at New York pg 13-14:
Christian Sørensen Berg (on the passenger list as Christ Svensen, 13, m) b. 30 Aug 1831 probably born Sandsvær.
Traveling with his mother Lucie Marie Halvorsdatter Hotvedt (on list as Louisa Svensen, 42) bapt Sandsvær, Buskerud fylke on 21 Feb 1802 daughter of Halvor Nielsen Hotvedt and siblings:
Niels Sørensen Berg (as Niels Svensen, 21) b. 9 Aug 1823
Halvor Sørensen Berg (as Halvor Svensen, 18) b. 21 Jan 1826
Endre Sørensen Berg (as Endre Svensen, 16) b.7 Sep 1828
Abraham Sørensen Berg (as Abraham Svensen, 9) b 10 Dec 1835
Jacob Sørensen Berg (as Jacob Svensen, 5) b. 28 Apr 1839
Anna Sophie Sørensdatter Berg (as Anna Svensen, 24) b.10 Apr 1820
Anne Malene Sørensdatter Berg (as Anne M. Svensen, 11) b.14 Jun 1833
Johan Pedersen Berg (as Johan Svensen, 3) b. 5 Jan 1841 the son of Anna Sophie above and Peder Johansen Hedenstad.
This Christian's father is noted as Søren Christian Nielsen Berg, son of Niels Endressen Rogstad and b. abt 1786? m. Lucie on 31 Oct 1818, died in Sandsvær on 5 Sept 1840.
The sources of information on this family are the Sandsvær parish registers and the passenger list, there are no records sources posted about any of the members of this family in other U.S. records.
The entire passenger list of Tricolor 1844 is published on Norway Heritage, line 32-41:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=1942
Here is an E.S. Burgh age 22 born Norway in the 1850 US census in Chicago, Cook county, Illinois:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11836-148565-32?cc=1401638
The book does follow up with Niels Sørensen Berg however. He married a woman named Greta Maria Jacobsdatter Dahl b. 28 Nov 1825 also in Sandsvær. She migrated to America in 1848. Their children are named
Christian b.abt 1849?
Charles b. abt 1851
Annette Caroline b.16 Nov 1853
Albert b. 10 April 1857
Jenny Sofie b. 6 Apr 1860
Jakob b. 6 Apr 1860
This is probably the family in the 1860 census in Waukesha County, Wisconsin:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MW96-1VS
In Volume III 1847-48 of Naeseth's pg 207 says Niels who first migrated in 1844 returned to Norway and married Greta Maria on 10 June 1848 and together they came on Freya from Kragerø to New York arriving on 4 Sept 1848. The text says they settled first in Milwaukee, Wisconsin and later in Waukesha county. In addition to the parish registers of Sandsvær the additional source of Pine Lake Lutheran Church registers is listed. Pine Lake church is located in Waukesha county, Wisconsin.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 03/04/2014 : 21:35:47
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Lucie Marie Halvorsdatter Hotvedt em. from Sandsvær with 8 children and a grand-daughter April 1844;
Nils, Halvor, Endre, Christian, Abraham, Jacob, Anne Josefine and her daughter Else b. 1841 and Anne Malene.
Drammen in Buskerud and Skien or Porsgrunn in Telemark was the nearest dep. port.
Nils 1823 inherited the farm after his father but sold 1844 to Ole Stensen.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2014 : 23:13:44
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Originally posted by MarkLay
Can anyone help me find emigration info. on C S Bergh. The family history passed down to me is that C.S. was a sailor / captain who sailed his own vessel to the USA. He was born in Norway in 1832, was married in the Buffalo, NY area in 1865 and died in Spring Lake Michigan in 1873. He lived in the Buffalo, NY area for several years and was listed as C.S. Bergh / Lake Captain in the 1860's. He also spent time in Chicago during his life....I do not have any information on parents or siblings
Mark, would you please post your records and/or state the source of your information (tell where you read or heard each fact).
Thank you very much!
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 03/04/2014 : 23:23:25
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Jackie, when I read this yesterday my firts thought was Sandsvær.
Attach some add. information from the Hotvedt family if more information from USA appears:
Nordre (Northern) Berg after Sørens detah was assessed to 1200 Daler, in add to 1/6 in Hedenstad church assessed to 65 Daler, chattles 121 Daler, gross capital 1386 Daler, net worth 279 Daler, ca 25 000 US Dollar in 2013.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 04/04/2014 : 02:38:35
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| Kåre, why was your first thought of Sandsvær when you first read this? |
Edited by - JaneC on 04/04/2014 02:39:14 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 04/04/2014 : 10:45:59
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It was just a thought.
The name Christian and Berg/Bergh, both names are/were common in Sansvær and Kongsberg (Sandsvær merged with Kongsberg in the 1960s).
Some years ago I worked with another Christian Berg from Kongsberg who em. to Wisc, but he was noe a ship-captain.
This one from Hotvedt was ca 13 when he em.
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MarkLay
Starting member
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Posted - 04/04/2014 : 15:25:29
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| Thanks to everyone who has responded. I am amazed by your ability to locate information in so many places. I never thought that tracking a dead guy would be so difficult ! Apparently, C.S. moved and changed the spelling of his name as often as we change socks. I do know that the 1870 census info. cited above by lyndal40 is the correct family. I will list the other scant source information I have been able to locate in a message to follow. I need to visit local Buffalo cemeteries now that the snow is melting to better track family members, dates of death, etc. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2014 : 17:40:24
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University of North Dakota Chester Fritz Library Special Collections has the Sansvær bygdebøker. It's possible that there might be followup with migrants from Sandsvær in it. They don't loan but will make copies etc for fees:
Sandsvær — Arne G. Brekke Bygdebok Collection
Sandsvær
Fylke Buskerud
Author Title Year Call Number Type Notes
Lunde, A. Sandsværs historie, v. 1 1973 DL596.S325 L85 General Lacking v. 9 of this series
Såtvedt, O. Sandsværs historie, v. 2 1991 DL596.S325 L85 Farms
Såtvedt, O. Sandsværs historie, v. 3 1992 DL596.S325 L85 Farms
Såtvedt, O. Sandsværs historie, v. 4 1994 DL596.S325 L85 Farms
Såtvedt, O. Sandsværs historie, v. 5 1995 DL596.S325 L85 Farms
Såtvedt, O. Sandsværs historie, v. 6 1997 DL596.S325 L85 Farms
Såtvedt, O. Sandsværs historie, v. 7 1998 DL596.S325 L85 Farms
Såtvedt, O. Sandsværs historie, v. 8 2001 DL596.S325 L85 Farms
Skolem, K. Ytre Sandsvær, 1814-1914 1914 DL596.S325 S5 General |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 04/04/2014 : 17:55:34
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Hi.
This family is not mentioned as emigrants in Sandsvær Bygdebok.
The last information on them is that Nils Sørensen b. 1823 sold Berg in 1844 to Ole Stensen.
In my youth I was neighbor with Olav Såtvedt, author of Sandsværs Historie.
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Hopkins
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rosscampbell
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Posted - 07/12/2014 : 19:30:52
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The information posted by jkmarler 03/04/2014 : 02:37:29 fits in well with my ancestor Jennie S. Bergh, born 6 April 1860. The information that I had was that Jennie was the daughter of Nels Bergh and Gerta Maria Lunde and that she had an older brother Charles S. Bergh who was born in 1851. A cousin told me that Jennie had a twin brother named Jacob. jkmarler's post ties this information together nicely. There are some slight inconsistencies: the names of Jennie's parents are similar but not the same. However, I think the information is a match.
To MarkLay, could it be that C. S. Bergh's father was the sea captain? It has also been passed down through my family history, descended from Nels (Niels?) Bergh, that our ancestor was a royal Norwegian sea captain. That may be consistent with the fact that the father was not listed along with Louisa Svensen (Lucie Marie Halvorsdatter Hotvedt) and children on the passenger list for the Tricolor. Maybe C. S. Bergh followed in his father's footsteps as a ship captain AFTER arriving in America. |
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Christianii S. Bergh / C S Bergh (Captain)
