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bradleymaasjo
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 Posted - 31/10/2014 : 15:24:17
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My Great Great Grandfather, Engebret Thomassen, was born in 1819 at Nordre Masjo, grn 150, br 1, the son of Thomas Vethammer & Randi Olsdatter. Engebret married Inge Simesdatter in 1849 and they had two children at Nordre Maasjo. Then, they apparently move to Romedal, Tomter Parish, to Opsalbakken farm in about 1855, where they had three more children. I believe he left there to go back to Nordre Masjo about 1865 and then he and Inge and their five children travelled to Quebec on the ship "Refondo". His youner brother Even, took over the farm from Randi.
There is a note in the Staange Misterialbok about Engebret "uuterflytte" in 1855, and then that is crossed out and emigrated to americal What would be the possible reason for him to go to Opsalbakken for ten years and then come back to emigrate?
Do you possibly have any information on either of these 2 farms, location, are they still there in operation, & is there any more information on the Refondo, built in Schleswig (Hamburg) about 1857, possibly a picture. It sailed to Quebec 1867/68 and then sort of disappears.
Thank you for your assistance. |
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jkmarler
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jwiborg
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Posted - 31/10/2014 : 17:51:36
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The distance between Nordre Måsjø and Oppsalbakken is about 12 km, a 13 minute car-drive today.
On what page in the Stange Ministerialbok is the 1855-migration noted?
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peder
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Posted - 31/10/2014 : 18:07:25
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http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f60416&personpostnr=4634&merk=4634
Engebret Thomassen
MyHeritage Family Trees
Solbakken Web Site, managed by Jan Børge Solbakken
Birth: Sep 16 1819 - Måsjø, Stange
Death: 1905
Parents: Thomas Olsen, Randi Olsen (født Olsdatter)
Siblings: Ole Thomassen, Kjersti Thomasdatter, Even Thomassen, Oline Halvorsen (født Thomasdatter)
Wife: Inger Thomassen (født Simensdatter)
Children: Thomas Engebretsen, Simen Engebretsen, Ole Engebretsen, Karen E Olsen Scanson (født Engebretsdatter), Kristian Engebretsen
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bradleymaasjo
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Posted - 31/10/2014 : 18:44:39
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Originally posted by jwiborg
The distance between Nordre Måsjø and Oppsalbakken is about 12 km, a 13 minute car-drive today.
On what page in the Stange Ministerialbok is the 1855-migration noted?
I have been able to find all the births, marriage, and baptisms in other parts of the Ministerialbiks; this entry under "utflyttede" is the hardest to read, but I believe row 9 is in reference to Embret Thomassen. The entire reference from the top of the page is:
"Kildeininformasjon: Hedmark fylke, Stange i Stange, Ministerialbok nr, 13 (1862-1879), Inn- og utflyttede 1867, side 402" |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 31/10/2014 : 19:05:21
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Nordre Måsjø is still a farm, but Oppsalbakken seems to be a residential house today. |
Edited by - jwiborg on 31/10/2014 19:13:38 |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 31/10/2014 : 19:19:17
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Originally posted by bradleymaasjo
I have been able to find all the births, marriage, and baptisms in other parts of the Ministerialbiks; this entry under "utflyttede" is the hardest to read, but I believe row 9 is in reference to Embret Thomassen. The entire reference from the top of the page is:
"Kildeininformasjon: Hedmark fylke, Stange i Stange, Ministerialbok nr, 13 (1862-1879), Inn- og utflyttede 1867, side 402"
I think the comment says "moved out to run the farm Oppsalbakken". |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/10/2014 : 20:03:23
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During spring of 1868, the following ad were posted in several norwegian newspapers weekly:
Til Amerika
De i Emigrantfarten fordelagtig bekjendte metalhudede og hurtigseilende første Klasses Skibe
"Refondo", "Chapman", "Caroline", "Olaf" m.fl. vil af os blive
expederet fra Christiania til Kvebek med Emigranter i Løbet af April 1868. "Refondo", "Chapman",
og "Olaf" ligger allerede til Skue her paa havnen. Samtlige Kapteiner ledsager selv sine Emi=
granter fra Kvebek til Chicago eller Milwaukee. Fragten er billig og de øvrige Betingelser favo=
rable for Passagererne. Enhver nærmere Oplysning erholdes ved skrivtlig eller mundtlig henvendelse til
Blichfeldt, Knoph & Co.,
autorisereede Emigrationsagenter
Prindsensgade No. 3, Christiania
To America
Those in the emigrant-travel preferable, metal-skin and fastsailing first class ships
"Refondo", "Chapman", "Caroline", "Olaf" among others, will by us
leave Christiania headed for Quebec with emigrants during April 1868. "Refondo", "Chapman",
and "Olaf" can allready be sighted here at the harbour. All Captains will personally escort his passengers
from Quebec to Chicago or Milwaukee. The shipping is cheap, and the other conditions are favorable
for the passengers. All other information can be obtained by written or oral inquiry to
Blichfeldt, Knoph & Co.,
Autorized emigration agents
Prindsensgade No. 3, Christiania
A note in a Norwegian newspaper from May 13th, 1868 says that the sailing ship Refondo left Christiania (Oslo) on April 18th, 1868, with 463 passengers.
"Caroline" (285 passengers) and "Olaf" (350 passengers) left the same day.
The ships arrived June 6th ("Caroline"), June 15th ("Refondo") and June 27th ("Olaf").
The Refondo was a Full-Rigged Clipper Ship, and likely the largest in Norway in its time. Its capasity was 481 Læster.
"Læster" is an old Norwegian measurement for the ships space and carrying capacity.
1 Læst = 12 barrels of grain or 18 barrels of coal.
1 Læst coal =2 m3.
1 barrel of grain = 162 liter. |
Edited by - jwiborg on 31/10/2014 21:00:13 |
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bradleymaasjo
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Posted - 31/10/2014 : 22:13:05
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You are all so very helpful. I cannot thank you enough. A few months ago I didn't know the derivation of my last name, what it might mean, or how it was originally pronounced. I have learned so much, & am now looking at pictures of the land where my ancestors lived! I have a lump in my throat. I am glad to make a contribution to support this site. This is such meaningful work.
I am taking two classes in Norsk, and hope to be able to speak the language (at least a little), as I plan to visit Norway in 2015 and bring my son along.
Thank you for the interpretation of page 402 in the Stange Ministerialbok. I believe that entry must indeed be about Engebret.
There is also mention of emigration in the "Litt om Slektene" portion of the Stange Bygdebok entry for Nordre Masjo and Sondre Masjo. I have copies of the story for these two farms but cant read Norsk, so I pick out phrases, and it mentions Engebret & Inge's marriage, & I think a brother of hers (Anders Kroksveen)? Then it gives the names of the first two children born at Nordre Masjo, but no mention of going to Romedal, Opsalbakken where three more children were born, instead it says "Utvandret Amerika". And, again it sounds like younger brother Even purchased the farm from his mother.
Is there any way you know of to find out if the current occupants of the farm have any direct relation to those mentioned in the bygdebok? And if so how to make contact. I don't know if they would be interested, but if so it would be interesting to make contact and visit when we are in Norway next year.
Would the entry for the Romedal, Opsalbakken farm be in the Stange Bygdebok, I do not have that story.
Thank you again,
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jwiborg
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Posted - 31/10/2014 : 22:51:24
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I found some pictures of the Nordre Måsjø farm. The main building in the pictures is build 1835, so it shows actually the building your ancestors lived in! The first picture is from a book published 1943, and it says the building was raised in 1835. The last picture shows a building on the farm that was demolished in the late 1940's.
Main building - raised 1835
Potato harvesting
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jwiborg
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Posted - 31/10/2014 : 23:18:14
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Thomas Vethammer died 19 Mar 1834, and the widow Randi Olsdatter then had the farm for some time. The son Even Thomassen (b. 1822) bought the farm in 1849. In 1866, Even had 3 horses, 9 cattles, 11 sheps and 1 pig. Even died in 1898.
The farm was sold in 1897 to Anton Edvard Eriksen Alm. His son Erik Alm took later over, and sold the farm in 1929 to Ove Lysgaard (b. 1893) from Elverum.
The current owner of Nordre Måsjø is also named Ove Lysgaard, and is most likely a grand-son or great-grand-son of the one who bought the farm in 1929.
Btw; it doesn't look like Even had any children?
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jwiborg
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Posted - 01/11/2014 : 00:14:04
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Originally posted by bradleymaasjo
Would the entry for the Romedal, Opsalbakken farm be in the Stange Bygdebok, I do not have that story.
Thank you again,
Brad Maasjo
No, Opsalbakken is on page 166 and 192 in the farm history book "Romedalboka. Garder og slekter. Bind IV" by Jacob Sverre Løland. |
Edited by - jwiborg on 01/11/2014 00:24:16 |
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chardijensen
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Posted - 11/12/2014 : 22:54:45
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| Interestingly enough, my ancestors lived in Bakkstad and Opsahl. Even Pedersen Opsal, and Berthe Gulbrandsdt Storhov Bakkstad. Possibly neighbors. But how fantastic for you to find pictures of your ancestors farm. I can only dream of finding pictures of the old Storhov farm. My GG grandfather was August Martinussen Storhoff b 1857. I have not found any pictures of him here in Washington. |
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chardijensen
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Posted - 11/12/2014 : 22:56:54
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| jwiborg, could you tell me the name of the book you found these pictures in? I would love to know if there are pics of the Storhov Farm, and family members. |
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