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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 12/02/2015 : 21:26:10
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I will finish with this Polish family, that also arrived Philadelphia on May 31st, 1886, on the S/S British Princess.
Andrew Mollrend birth: 1861 Poland
Maril Mollrend birth: 1857 Poland
Anna Mollrend birth: 1866 Poland
Marta Mollrend birth: 1882 Poland
Nelgi Mollrend birth: 1885 Poland
I suspect they have close familyties to Sigdal, Norway. The below family left the same day as Samson and Anna Didriksen, using the same agent:
Anders T. Møllerud 25 Sigdal Gjemre Marstin
Marit Møllerud 29 Sigdal Gjemre Marstin
Anne Møllerud 20 Sigdal Gjemre Marstin
Marta Møllerud 4 Sigdal Gjemre Marstin
Helge Møllerud 6m Sigdal Gjemre Marstin |
Edited by - jwiborg on 12/02/2015 21:33:27 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/02/2015 : 21:45:18
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Charting an 1886 emigration of passengers from Norway is hard enough without the ship's clerk on the British Princess acting as if he can't tell left from right.
First, note that your opening statement misunderstands the emigration record (jkmarler posted). Samson and Anna did not sail on a ship called the Christiania. Letting go of that idea will help.
Rather, they traveled from Trondheim (departing 10 May 1886) via Christiania. Christiania (or Kristiania) is the city We call Oslo. So they took a feeder ship to Oslo.
They departed Kristiania 14 May 1886. The emigration record (jkmarler posted) says they sailed on the Marstin. Agent: Gjermre.
From Kristiania, at that time, emigrants typically traveled first to England - often to Hull, England. From Hull, they typically traveled by train to Liverpool or similar port.
From Liverpool, travelers boarded a transatlantic ship. The voyage was most often coordinated, so that they had tickets on a feeder ship and transatlantic ship with corresponding schedules.
UK outbound passenger lists (Ancestry.com) may have a record of departure from England.
Jan Peter has pulled up a gaggle of emigrants who all followed the same trip, making the same connection. The ship's clerk (or whoever) has misstated their nationalities across the board.
S/S Marsden departs Kristiaina 14 May 1886, bound for Hull, England:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_route.asp?ro=W28
Below, a link titled "Corresponding Ships for the S/S Marsden Journey 1886-05-14 Christiania - Christiansand - Hull." Shows the S/S British Princess as a corresponding ship - on a schedule that would fit well for the passengers on the Marsden, bound for Philadelphia, to arrive 31 May 1886:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/t_corresp.asp?id=1866
On the Norwegian records, surname of Samson and Anna is abbreviated to Didriks. (with a period). Maybe this abbreviated name was carried forward. Their residence is "Kr.sund." Maybe that's misread and re-recorded as Poland. Who knows? Can be difficult to explain mistakes in records. But the couple on the British Princess certainly looks like your couple.
Hope this helps. |
Edited by - JaneC on 12/02/2015 22:37:49 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/02/2015 : 22:28:40
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None of the Minnesota or US census forms shows any information on arrival
The 1900 US Census does show a 1886 arrival. Same year is given for his wife. See column 16 in the orginal. However the 1910 Census gives the year as 1885?
Samuel Derickson in the 1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Samuel Derickson
Age: 44
Birth Date: Feb 1856
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1900: Oakdale, Washington, Minnesota
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1886
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Anna Derickson
Marriage Year: 1884
Years Married: 16
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Derickson 44
Anna Derickson 37
Bertha Derickson 13
Julius Derickson 11
Jennie Derickson 9
Edwin Derickson 6
Marie Derickson 4
Harry Derickson 2
Norman Derickson 4/12 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/02/2015 : 23:12:54
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Original ad for the May 14th 1886 departure of the Steamship Marsdin.
The ship left Oslo at 5pm that Friday, and went to Kristiansand before crossing the North Sea to Hull, England.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 12/02/2015 : 23:48:59
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Nice!
We do know for sure that Samson and Anna sailed on the Marsdin for the first leg of their journey, because you made a solid id for them, departing Trondheim and then Kristiania. The Kristiania departure states they are on this ship.
Then they need to board a transatlantic ship in England (like a modern traveler changing planes). The link I posted for corresponding ships lists the other ships available on that schedule. On Ancestry.com or other perhaps you can search their names with each of those ships, in turn, as a key word. That may tease out other candidate travelers, if there are any. At least they are distinguished by Samson's relatively unusual name.
The UK outbound passengers list should be findable and may shed light.
Re. two-step process of naturalization: typically the "Declaration of Intent" to become a US citizen usually has the better chance to have more detailed immigration info. Courts varied, the documents weren't standardized, and more detailed records are not guaranteed, but ordering the Declaration still might be worth a shot.
I do think your answer could be the Marsdin-British Princess voyage. Note the Møllerud family from Sigdal, Norway. The Norwegian departure record puts them on the Marsdin, same day as Samson and Anna. They too need to board a corresponding ship in England, since the Marsdin is not traveling on. Can this family be found on any ship other than the British Princess? You could search. But they have already been found on the British Princess, transformed into Poles. It's not reasonable to think two families, with those names, in that birth order, traveling on that schedule, could exist. Surely it's one family, the same family on the Marsdin and on the British Princess -- and the British Princess manifest is proven untrustworthy regarding nationalities noted. |
Edited by - JaneC on 14/02/2015 15:42:26 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/02/2015 : 01:52:07
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One explanation for the mis-identification of the Mollerud family as Polish, is that the person directly above them on the original manifest is
Name: L Mesgewiez
Gender: Male
Birthdate: abt 1861
Birthplace: Poland
Last Residence: Poland
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 31 May 1886
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Age on Arrival: 25 Years
Ship: British Princess
Then Andrew Mollrend (spelled as such in the original manifest) and his family of five total are idenitifed with quote maks, before the identification shifts over to Russia for three people only one of who has a Russian appearing name.
Name: Andrew Mollrend
Gender: Male
Birthdate: abt 1861
Birthplace: Poland
Last Residence: Poland
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 31 May 1886
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Age on Arrival: 25 Years
Ship: British Princess
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/02/2015 : 03:09:37
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That argument does not hold for Simon as the people above and below he and his wife Anna are listed as being from England.
Name: Simon Dedrike
Gender: Male
Birthdate: abt 1856
Birthplace: Poland
Last Residence: Poland
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 31 May 1886
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Age on Arrival: 30 Years
Ship: British Princess
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AntonH
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/02/2015 : 03:26:59
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The passenger directly below Anna on the Trondheim list was a John Olsen probably this one who arrived in New York on May 28. on the Hekla. I have looked at this list for a Samson D**** or Anna on this same ship but have not been able to find a likely candidate.
Name: John Olson
Arrival Date: 28 May 1886
Birth Date: abt 1826
Age: 60
Gender: Male
Place of Origin: Stordalen,Norway
Port of Departure: Christiania, Norway and Christiansand, Norway and Copenhagen, Denmark
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Hekla
Search Ship Database: Search for the Hekla in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Many of the other emmigrants leaving on the same day as Samson and Anna are on this ship, including Valborg Lindgren, Lovisa Dahl and Marit Borten. |
Edited by - AntonH on 13/02/2015 03:31:58 |
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LinLod
Starting member
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Posted - 13/02/2015 : 04:48:35
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Thank you to all of you who have taken time to try to help me locate Samson and Anna and their voyage to the US. This is the closest I have come to locating them. I have tried multiple versions of spelling the name Didriksen but never thought of Didrike. I plan to follow up with the Iron Range records to see if I can locate my missing naturalization records for Samson. Hopefully this will confirm what you have located. Thanks for giving me the other record to look for.
It is wonderful to have people like all of you being so willing to help with research. You are very much appreciated. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 13/02/2015 : 15:46:58
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/02/2015 : 20:31:07
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The Philadelphia Passenger List for the SS British Princess arrival on 31-May-1886 contains 813 names. The passengers are born:
England: 231
Sweden: 197
Ireland: 178
Poland: 100
Germany: 55
Russia: 44
America: 4
Norway: 0
Denmark: 0
None are listed as born in Norway.
One thing to consider, is that Norway was not a sovereign state in 1886. The country was under Swedish Government, so many of he swedes in the passenger list are probably norwegians.
But as we have seen from previous posts, there are also some Norwegians listed as born in Poland. Can't explain that, but human errors even occur in 2015... 
The below people are also listed as born in Poland, but their names are very norwegian.
Olaf A Folkestad
Nellie J Folkestad
Karen Jorgensen
Bertha Jorgensen
Margt Torgenson |
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