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JeanFlor
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 Posted - 29/05/2015 : 04:52:27
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| My biggest brickwall - Researchers on DIS-Norge have tried to solve this mystery with no results. I've found the researchers on this site so helpful I thought maybe someone new might pick up on what others have not been able to find. I (and several people in the U.S.) are trying to find out who Simen Aaseng was in the following birth record of Julia Simensdatter (#20) born 29 Jun 1890. Julia immigrated to the U.S. & married. Julia's daughter just died last year at the age of 95. I would love if someone could help her granddaughter (I'm related) solve this 'history mystery'. Thank you for your time. |
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/05/2015 : 13:22:46
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Here is the list of Sim* Jo* born in 1868 from the search engine at digitalarkivet. Appear to be none born in Tolga nor Tynset: The onl
y one which can be eliminated is Simen Johannesen Lindsetmoen:
Simen Johansen Hagen 07.11.1868 Vang hf g Maskinist og arbeider (ved damptærskemaskine) Vang: Høiby 01.12.1910 Folketelling 1910 for 0414 Vang herred
#6 Simen Johansen
Source information: Hedmark county, Vang in Vang, Parish register (official) nr. 14 (1866-1870), Birth and baptism records 1867, page 5.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8842&idx_id=8842&uid=ny&idx_side=-5
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Simen Johannesen Lindsetmoen 1868* Drengeb. Lindsetmoen 17.06.1868 avdød Ministerialbok for Grong prestegjeld, Trones sokn 1830-1832 (1742P)
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Simen Jonsen Klemmetsplads 1868 Lille Elvedalen herred* Hf g Gaardbr. selveier Tømmerdrift Lille-Elvedalens: Klemmetspladsen
03.12.1900 Folketelling 1900 for 0438 Lille Elvedalen herred
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Andreas Simon Johannesen 05.10.1868* Digernæs Digernæs 20.04.1884 konfirmant Ministerialbok for Førde prestegjeld, Førde sokn 1880-1898 (1432P)
Andreas Simon Johannesen Gjersvig 1868 Førde ug Gaardmsøn Førde 02.06.1893 Emigranter over Bergen 1874-1930
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Simon Martin Johansen 1868 Bjarkøy Plejesøn Bjarkøy: Kolsland 31.12.1875 Folketelling 1875 for 1915P Sand prestegjeld
Simon Johansen 1868 Bjarkøy el ug Fisker Bjarkøy herred: Steinheim 03.12.1900 Folketelling 1900 for 1915 Bjarkøy herred
Simon Johansen 04.10.1868 Bjarkøy hf g Fisker Bjarkøy: Helløy 01.12.1910 Folketelling 1910 for 1915 Bjarkøy herred
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Simen Johannesen 1868 Eker Haug søn ug Eker: Røren 31.12.1875 Folketelling 1875 for 0624P Eiker prestegjeld
Simen Johannesen Hals 1868 Hals Gbr. Hals brudgom Ministerialbok for Eiker prestegjeld, Haug sokn 1889-1896 (0624P)
Simen Johanness. Hals 1868 Øvre Eiker herred* hf g Gaardbr. Selveier Øvre Eker: Hals 03.12.1900 Folketelling 1900 for 0624 Øvre Eiker herred
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Simon Leonhard Johansen 1868 Rørstad Folden s Forsørges af Fadr. Folden: Røsvig 31.12.1875 Folketelling 1875 for 1845P Folda prestegjeld
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Simon Peder Johannesen 1868 Bergen By s ug Kontorist (Jernforretning) Bergen: Smørsalmending 19 01.01.1891 Folketelling 1891 for 1301 Bergen kjøpstad
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 29/05/2015 : 14:05:12
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In Tolga / Tolga there are 3 Simen born and baptized between 1868-1869, no Johanneson:
#13 Simen Thoreson:
Source information: Hedmark county, Tolga in Tolga, Parish register copy nr. 1 (1814-1877), Birth and baptism records 1868, page 182-183.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9221&idx_id=9221&uid=ny&idx_side=-94
Simen Thoresen confirmation #9:
Source information: Hedmark county, Tolga in Tolga, Parish register copy nr. 7 (1878-1919), Confirmation records 1883, page 68.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5027&idx_id=5027&uid=ny&idx_side=-65
Probably Simen Thoresen's mother and half sister in 1865:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01038049001065
#9 Simen Olsen:
Source information: Hedmark county, Tolga in Tolga, Parish register copy nr. 1 (1814-1877), Birth and baptism records 1869, page 186-187.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9221&idx_id=9221&uid=ny&idx_side=-96
Probably Simen Olsen in 1900:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01037071001191
Simen Paulsen Broen #10:
Source information: Hedmark county, Tolga in Tolga, Parish register copy nr. 1 (1814-1877), Death and burial records 1814-1817, page 190-191.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9221&idx_id=9221&uid=ny&idx_side=-98
Simen Paulsen Broen in 1900:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01037071000923
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 29/05/2015 : 17:36:29
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Here is the marriage of a Simon Johansen b. 1866 looks like Froen, second from bottom of page:
Source information: Oppland county, Follebu in Østre Gausdal, Parish register (official) nr. 3 (1887-1901), Marriage records 1890-1893, page 53.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1516&idx_id=1516&uid=ny&idx_side=-58]
I'd have to check the dates of departure but it appears this couple with their child left for US also in 1893.
child Torgen correction below to Jørgen #4 born before they married
Source information: Oppland county, Follebu in Østre Gausdal, Parish register (official) nr. 3 (1887-1901), Birth and baptism records 1893, page 11.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1516&idx_id=1516&uid=ny&idx_side=-15
Lines 14,15 right hand page mother and child but Simon is not listed. However in 1892 there were a handful of Johansen Lundeie;s departing at the top of the same page:
Source information: Oppland county, Follebu in Østre Gausdal, Parish register (official) nr. 3 (1887-1901), Emigration records 1887-1893, page 84.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1516&idx_id=1516&uid=ny&idx_side=-85
Here is Simon's departure in 1893:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/gen/vis/8/pe00000000489981
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 29/05/2015 : 17:38:06
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A possible Simen Johannesen from Fåberg, but he was born 1869, confirmated April 19. 1885, see #15
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jwiborg
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Posted - 29/05/2015 : 18:21:35
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A possibility:
#95
Census-1875
The marriage record above says his father is Johan Simensen. |
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jwiborg
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jkmarler
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Posted - 29/05/2015 : 20:44:33
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Well, the baptism of Julie lists Simen as Ungkarl (bachelor) Tjenstedreng (roughly means working boy--even at age 22). His residence is Aaseng i Tolgen and birthyear is 1868.
So he could be any Simon Johanneson b 1868 anywhere even Sweden.
Not sure how far apart Aaseng and the farm Julia was born on are, but sociological studies indicate that most "matches:" occur within a radius of about 7 miles--the distance a working man could walk to and from in a day. Of course, if he had a horse, those bets are off.
Perhaps he was busy and that there might be other children he fathered in the two parishes--that could be checked.
Sometimes the inflyttedes and utflyttedes of the parish contain the name of newly arrived and the departing. Mayhaps he married or died in Tolga after 1890 and that could be checked as well. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 29/05/2015 : 20:52:00
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Originally posted by jwiborg
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Originally posted by jkmarler
child Torgen #4 born before they married
Source information: Oppland county, Follebu in Østre Gausdal, Parish register (official) nr. 3 (1887-1901), Birth and baptism records 1893, page 11.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1516&idx_id=1516&uid=ny&idx_side=-15
The name reads Jørgen.
Thanks, have corrected original post. |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 29/05/2015 : 20:54:52
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Interesting marriage record in #6, 1892 above!
The son and daughter of the two biggest Norwegian poets of all time... 
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/05/2015 : 21:31:44
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| How interesting! Follebu is a Norwegian wedding destination? |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 29/05/2015 : 22:54:09
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Originally posted by jkmarler
How interesting! Follebu is a Norwegian wedding destination?
Not really, but it was the bride's hometown. Her father Bjørnstjerne Bjørnsons residence named Aulestad is located in Follebu.
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AntonH
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Posted - 29/05/2015 : 23:05:25
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| Nice looking farm house Jan Peter, it is a little bit more upscale than the one my grandfather left in 1888. But just a lttle bit more upscale. |
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JeanFlor
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Posted - 29/05/2015 : 23:09:18
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Julia's daughter said she was born on farm Øilia, Telneset, Norway.
The distance between Telneset & Tolga is 6 miles. Bingo! (You learn something new every day!)
I'm going to invite Julia's granddaughter to monitor this - maybe she'll have some input.
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Well, the baptism of Julie lists Simen as Ungkarl (bachelor) Tjenstedreng (roughly means working boy--even at age 22). His residence is Aaseng i Tolgen and birthyear is 1868.
So he could be any Simon Johanneson b 1868 anywhere even Sweden.
Not sure how far apart Aaseng and the farm Julia was born on are, but sociological studies indicate that most "matches:" occur within a radius of about 7 miles--the distance a working man could walk to and from in a day. Of course, if he had a horse, those bets are off.
Perhaps he was busy and that there might be other children he fathered in the two parishes--that could be checked.
Sometimes the inflyttedes and utflyttedes of the parish contain the name of newly arrived and the departing. Mayhaps he married or died in Tolga after 1890 and that could be checked as well.
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Looking for Simen Johannesen Aaseng born 1868
