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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 26/02/2017 : 20:21:10
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Also on Norway Heritage passenger lists there are quite a few people with the first name Anders / Andreas (regardless of last name) who left in 1852. Here is one #11 age 18:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=535&ps=6085
Probably #3 on the utflyttedes on this page:
SAK, Flekkefjord sokneprestkontor, F/Fa/Fac/L0005: Ministerialbok nr. A 5, 1849-1875, s. 424
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060103040612
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 26/02/2017 : 23:07:53
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Thanks Jackie, The Ancesty.com transcription shows how difficult it is to read the info from that far back.
Syvert Junlnonw
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Syvert Junlnonw
Arrival Date: 29 Jul 1852
Birth Date: abt 1830
Age: 22
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Norwegian
Place of Origin: Norway
Port of Departure: Bergen, Norway
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Lephin
Near as I can tell he ended up in Wisconsin and then in Iowa.
Partial of the Iowa Census. 1885
Name: Syver Julson
Age: 55
Birth Year: abt 1830
Birth Place: Norway
Residence Date: 1885
Residence Place: Jordan, Monona, Iowa, USA
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married |
Edited by - AntonH on 26/02/2017 23:12:15 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/02/2017 : 00:25:12
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Probably the Anders you found leaving in 1852
Name: Andres Tionway
Arrival Date: 19 Jul 1852
Birth Date: abt 1834
Age: 18
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Norwegian
Place of Origin: Norway
Port of Departure: Flekkefjord, Norway
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Emigrant
I found him in a search of
All New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 results for And*, birth year 1835 plus/minus 5, Ethnicity/ Nationality Norwegian. There are only 14 passengers meeting that criteria . One of them is a female, lowering the total to 13. |
Edited by - AntonH on 27/02/2017 00:30:40 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/02/2017 : 00:36:21
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In the record for
Andrew Jeweles
in the Selected U.S. Naturalization Records - Original Documents, 1790-1974
he states that he has lived in New York since March of 1852.
Here is what I find in Ancestry.com for
All New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 results for And*, birth year 1835 plus/minus 5, Ethnicity/ Nationality Norwegian. There are only 14 passengers meeting that criteria . One of them is a female, lowering the total to 13.
Anders Andersen
30 Jun 1852 abt 1840 Christiania, Norway Norwegian, traveling with mother Karen Gulbrandsdatter and four younger siblings
Andrews Branker
13 Sep 1852 abt 1832 Christiania, Norway Norwegian
Probably Andreas Bronken found in Oregon
Anders Christensen
17 Jun 1852 abt 1838 Bergen, Norway Norwegian
Number 92 and next to Anders Otternes age 13 here
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=935&ps=11619
Aauvers Hanssen
27 Jul 1852 abt 1839 Krageroe, Norway Norwegian, See 28, traveling with family {b]http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=385&ps=6683
Anders L Otterness
17 Jun 1852 abt 1830 Bergen, Norway Norwegian found in Minnesota
Andres Tionway
19 Jul 1852 abt 1834 Flekkefjord, Norway Norwegian
Anders G Rossiner
30 Jun 1852 abt 1830 Christiania, Norway Norwegian
Anne Andersdatter
30 Jun 1852 abt 1836 Christiania, Norway Norwegian
Identified as Anne Andersdatter Egge by subscriber
Johann Anders Erdahl
17 Jun 1852 abt 1832 Bergen, Norway Norwegian
Found next to his brother? Not a likely candidate #31
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=935&ps=11619[/b]
Anders A Erdahl
17 Jun 1852 abt 1835 Bergen, Norway Norwegian
Found in Minnesota in two census records
Anders Oly Gryte
16 Jul 1852 abt 1830 Bergen, Norway Norwegian
Anders Olsen Gryte
http://www.norwayheritage.com/udvandret.asp?type=passengerlist&ps=6017&jo=248
Andres Nilson
11 Oct 1852 abt 1834 Christiania, Norway Norwegian
Anders Gulbrandsdatter
30 Jun 1852 abt 1836 Christiania, Norway Norwegian
probably Anders Gulbrandsen, traveling with a large family group
Andreas Johannesen
10 Jun 1852 abt 1830 Stavanger, Norway Norwegian |
Edited by - AntonH on 27/02/2017 17:41:41 |
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kevinjewell
Starting member
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Posted - 28/02/2017 : 02:02:02
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| Thanks for the additional info. I don't think my great-grandfather came as a passenger on an immigrant ship, because of the family story that he was a sail maker and jumped ship in New York on his own (rather than going on to the Midwest like most Scandinavian immigrants). A distant cousin of mine has (or had) the wooden thimble which my great-grandfather supposedly used when repairing sails (although, unfortunately, he has misplaced it). That s why I am hoping that there are records from merchant ships, which might record that he jumped ship. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/02/2017 : 03:36:26
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| You are probably right, unfortunately Ancestry.com does not have a crew list for New York. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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kevinjewell
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Posted - 15/02/2019 : 23:02:21
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I have not posted here in several years, but am still searching for my great-grandfather's roots. Thank you once again to all of the people who posted above, and I am now posting again to ask a specific question: Can anyone recommend a good genetic genealogist in Norway whom I might be able to hire to do further research for me?
Since the time of the searches above, I have done DNA testing and located many Norwegian matches, and with some of them I share a good bit of DNA. Among my Norwegian matches is one man with whom I share a 40 cM segment, and I share the same long segment with his father, too! That could very likely mean that we are third cousins, because I have a number of (Irish) second cousins who've been tested and the longest segments which I share with most of them are shorter than that. However, we have not been able to find the connection. I also have a dozen or so Norwegian matches with whom I share longest segments of 25-30 cM, and some of them are also matches of the first man I mentioned.
I have my DNA results posted at the FTDNA and MyHeritage sites, and I'm a member at MyHeritage specifically to get access to more Scandinavians and the detailed family trees which they often post. I have printed out about 75 of those family trees for my matches and tried to triangulate them, to see where lines crossed. I've found some intersections, but nothing yet to indicate where my line fits in, and I'm not sure that I am doing a good job of it anyway. That's an area where I thought a genetic genealogist might be able to help, particularly if he/she could gain access to databases and even local records in Norway.
My Norwegian matches seem to come mainly from Hedmark, Rogaland, or the Trondelag, but my great-grandfather's paternal line (my direct paternal line) appears to come from Sweden, probably the Dalarna region. That is what my Y-DNA seems to show, and my autosomal matches show both Norwegian and Swedish ancestry, plus a small amount of Finnish ancestry, which could be explained by the presence of Finnish immigrants in Dalarna, especially near Orsa and Rättvik (I have several DNA matches whose heritage is all Finnish, so it appears to be more than "background noise" in my case). My YDNA is R-BY30632 (part of R1a1a in the older system), and I have three exact matches at that terminal SNP who live in central Sweden. Unfortunately, none of them know their family history (two were born out of wedlock and adopted).
In discussions with some of my matches and in research which I have done, I learned that many people from Dalarna emigrated over the years to find work in Norway, especially in Hedmark, Rogaland, or the Trondelag, so my guess is that a man in my direct paternal line did that, perhaps in the late 1700's, and married a Norwegian woman there. Anyway, any information about genealogists in Norway would be much appreciated. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 16/02/2019 : 10:44:40
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This is not an answer to your question, just rambling on:
From Hedmark in 1801 census born 1790-1801:
Antonette Avlesdatter
(female) 1793* Deres børn Elverum: Rogstad 1801-02-01 1801 census for 0427P Elverum
Antonette Johanne Oppen
(female) 1796* Hendes døttre Grue: Navnerud 1801-02-01 1801 census for 0423P Grue
From Rogaland same census and birth years:
Antonette Tønnesdatter
(female) 1793* Deres børn Lund: Flechefiord 13 1801-02-01 1801 census for 1112P Lund
Antonette Hove
(female) 1797* Deres døttre Ugivt Stavanger: Skandsebierget 1801-02-01 1801 census for 1103P Stavanger
Antonette Augustine
(female) 1799* Hendes datter Ugift Stavanger: Vævergaden 1801-02-01 1801 census for 1103P Stavanger
Antonetta Larsdatter
(female) 1790* Deres tvilling børn Soggendahl: Hommeraas 1801-02-01 1801 census for 1111P Sokndal
Antonette Atlagsdatter
(female) 1798* Deres børn Lund: Lohnne 1801-02-01 1801 census for 1112P Lund
Antonette Nielsdatter
(female) 1795* Deres børn Lund: Sunde 1801-02-01 1801 census for 1112P Lund
Antonetthe Olsdatter
(female) 1795* Deres børn Lund: Ouestad 1801-02-01 1801 census for 1112P Lund
Anthonette Andreasdatter
(female) 1796* Deres børn Lund: Moy 1801-02-01 1801 census for 1112P Lund
Anthonette Carlsdatter
(female) 1795* Deres børn Lund: Houchland 1801-02-01 1801 census for 1112P Lund
From Trondelag same, same:
Antonetta Olsdatter
(female) 1791* Foster barn Hitteren: Dolm Præstegaard 1801-02-01 1801 census for 1617P Hitra
Anthonetta Christina Bredahl
(female) 1796* Deres børn Størdalen: Sørkiilmoen 1801-02-01 1801 census for 1714P Stjørdal
Antonetta Monssdatter
(female) 1796* Deres børn Inderøe: Tronstad 1801-02-01 1801 census for 1729P Inderøy
Anthonettha Olsdatter*
(female) 1798* Datter Tronhiem: Printssens Gade 1801-02-01 1801 census for 1601 Trondheim
Maren Antonætha Hendriksdatter*
(female) 1800* Deres datter Tronhiem: Baklandet 1801-02-01 1801 census for 1601 Trondheim
Antonætha
(female) 1798* Hendes dr Tronhiem: Baklandet 1801-02-01 1801 census for 1601 Trondheim |
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ToreL
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Posted - 16/02/2019 : 14:19:47
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Since you tested with ftdna, you may have heard about Norgesprosjektet, but I include a link just in case. There is also a facebook discussion site for the project where you might get some good tips on triangulation etc.
When you read the Juul family books, did you see anything about a Bergen branch? I noticed on Digitalarkivet that there were at least a couple of sail makers in Bergen named Juul in the 1800s. I didn't find any with a son named Anders, though. |
Edited by - ToreL on 16/02/2019 14:27:05 |
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kevinjewell
Starting member
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Posted - 16/02/2019 : 19:28:06
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Thanks jkmarler! I will try to check out those census records. Perhaps I can figure out whether any of those Antonette's fits into any of the family trees which I have found for my DNA matches.
Thanks, also, ToreL! I am already a member of that Norway group at FTDNA, and have posted a similar inquiry there. They also have an all-Scandinavian group where I have done the same. I will also definitely check the Juul genealogy again to see about any branches in Bergen. It is probably time for me to re-read those genealogies, in case I missed something when I went though them years ago, or in case any new information I have helps me to spot a connection. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 16/02/2019 : 23:57:45
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These are Antonettes born 1801-1816 Hedmark found in familysearch.org:
Antonette Eriksdatter
Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927birth:2 July 1816 christening: 7 July 1816 RINGSAKER, HEDMARK, NORWAY residence: 1816 Ringsaker, Hedmark, Norway
father:Erik Toresen
mother: Eli Olsdr
Antonette Josefsen
Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927 christening:7 June 1813
EIDSKOGEN, HEDMARK, NORWAY
father: Joseph Falsted
mother: Jensine Amundsdr
Antonette Hansen
Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927 birth:26 August 1815 christening:17 September 1815
SOR ODAL, HEDMARK, NORWAY
father: Hans Embretsen
mother: Tore Pettersdr
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kevinjewell
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Posted - 19/02/2019 : 02:56:07
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| Thanks for the additional info, jkmarler. |
-- Kevin |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Help concerning Anders Juelsson/Juell
