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Obru
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Posted - 23/03/2017 :  10:27:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My grandfather Ole Mathias Olsen arrived Ellis Island on a spring day, March 6, 1923.
He was to visit family and work as a carpenter. After some time all traces stopped. I seek now, so many years after to see if there are any traces of him.

https://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036558000945

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JNQQ-JZ3

Family to visit:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G1VW-9WMW?mode=g&cc=1968530



Øystein Bruvik

jkmarler
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Posted - 23/03/2017 :  14:27:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
On the ellis island page for Ole Mathias Olsen it also says he had been in America in 1906 and that Ole is going to a "friend" Olaf Bakken. Are they actually related in some fashion?

I see on Olaf Bakken's WWI draft registration that his address in 1917 was 557 Henry street, that he is married with one 3 month old child and also supports his father (who isn't named).

Edited by - jkmarler on 23/03/2017 15:10:22
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Obru
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Posted - 23/03/2017 :  16:06:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi.
Yes They are Family. The wife of Ole Mathias, named Sissel, is the aunt of Olaf Bakken's wife.
I did not know OM had been to EI in 1906. I've heard he had been to sea, but not when. Thank you for that info.

Olaf Bakken had 5 children, but I have not their birth year just now.

Thank you so much.

Øystein Bruvik
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AntonH
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Posted - 23/03/2017 :  16:45:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a candidate. The birth year is off, but he is living as a lodger, no wife or family around but he is listed as married, and he is listed as a carpenter and arrival of 1823.

Olaf Olsen
in the 1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Olaf Olsen
Birth Year: abt 1881
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Norway
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Home in 1930: Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Map of Home: View Map
Street address: Sackett
Ward of City: 3rd A.D. Part of Tract 65
Block: I
House Number in Cities or Towns: 194
Dwelling Number: 4
Family Number: 5
Attended School: No
Able to Read and Write: Yes
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Language Spoken: Norwegian
Immigration Year: 1923
Naturalization: First Papers
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Carpenter
Industry: Construction
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker
Employment: Yes

In Family Search for 1930 Census

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7XC-1K9

Edited by - AntonH on 23/03/2017 16:49:09
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/03/2017 :  17:29:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The occupation of this Olaf Bakken is joiner (furniture carpenter). Is this the same man who is the relative?

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KX9H-72F

If he is the relative, he came numerous trips to America:
1925: https://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/gen/vis/8/pe00000001176212

1913: https://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/gen/vis/8/pe00000000323486

In 1913 he is single, in 1923 his wife is named Gunhild.
At the Italian genealogy site the New York marriage index has this couple marrying in 1916:

Olav Bakken Telefsen Grenhild
May 6 1916 4999 Kings

Was Olaf Bakken's wife named Gunhild?

Edited by - jkmarler on 23/03/2017 18:13:51
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/03/2017 :  17:38:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40

Here is a candidate. The birth year is off, but he is living as a lodger, no wife or family around but he is listed as married, and he is listed as a carpenter and arrival of 1823.




Yes and Olaf is a different but similar name. At the New York Arrivals 1892-1924 there are about 15 Olaf Olsen arrivals in 1923.

Edited by - jkmarler on 23/03/2017 17:43:32
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Obru
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Posted - 23/03/2017 :  18:57:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
lyndal40-
That was interresting info. The question we ask in Our Family is Did he just left his Family? If so he could had named himself Olaf. It is Close. Was he f ex killed?

Thanks for Your work

Øystein Bruvik
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AntonH
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Posted - 23/03/2017 :  22:38:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Arrival of Olaf Bakken, going to friend Martin Langmyr in Brooklyn. Although he says his permanent address is Brooklyn so he must have been here earlier. He refers to his father as Christian Bakken Landivig Grimstad?

Olav Bakken
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Olav Bakken
Arrival Date: 7 May 1913
Birth Date: abt 1892
Birth Location: Norway
Birth Location Other: landerg grimstad
Age: 20 Years 9 Months
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Christiansand, Norway
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: C F Tietgen

Also arrived in 1922 wife named Gunhild

Edited by - AntonH on 23/03/2017 22:45:06
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JaneC
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Posted - 23/03/2017 :  23:53:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In 1910 Ole is not living with the family, although he is enumerated there. Here he is again, with a different birth date but seems to be the same: 1910

Full birth date and parents' names will help to identify Ole in US records. Is this the correct birth date? 17 October 1878: Birth record

Edited by - JaneC on 24/03/2017 00:19:45
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jkmarler
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Posted - 24/03/2017 :  03:39:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is there any farm name associated with Ole Mathias Olson or his family?

Here is an Ole Helland, a carpenter, married with no wife present, migrated in 1923 living in New York in 1930;
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4JQ-JT8
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Obru
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Posted - 24/03/2017 :  10:37:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes lyndal40. Olav Bakken was born July 16 1892 and his father was named Kristian Bakken. I remember Olav and his wife Gunnhild.

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Obru
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Posted - 24/03/2017 :  10:55:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
JaneC.

Oles birthday is Okt 17 1878.
In 1910 I find him working on a Pulp Mill (?) a coupple of mils from his home. I*ve been told his as a sailor at a time. I dont know when. My grandmoter told me so. ( His wife)

HIs parents names are :) Father : Ole Martin Olsen (12.4.1847 ) Mother : Berte Serine Ariansen (1847)

Øystein Bruvik
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AntonH
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Posted - 24/03/2017 :  22:47:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Here is an Ole Helland, a carpenter, married with no wife present, migrated in 1923 living in New York in 1930;
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4JQ-JT8


This is likely the same person. Does not look very promising based on birth date and the name of the wife.

Ole Andreas Iversen Hilland
in the New York, State and Federal Naturalization Records, 1794-1940
Name: Ole Andreas Iversen Hilland
Declaration Age: 45
Record Type: Declaration
Birth Date: 7 Oct 1879
Birth Place: Vestnes, Norway
Arrival Date: 2 Jul 1923
Arrival Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Declaration Date: 6 Apr 1925
Declaration Place: New York, USA
Spouse: Sigrid
Declaration Number: 88063

Edited by - AntonH on 24/03/2017 22:52:37
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JaneC
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Posted - 25/03/2017 :  00:31:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Obru

Yes lyndal40. Olav Bakken was born July 16 1892 and his father was named Kristian Bakken. I remember Olav and his wife Gunnhild.


It sounds as if you and your family had contact with Olav and Gunhild Bakken after your grandfather went to America. Is that right? They visited in Norway? Since he was traveling to them in 1923, it seems they would have known what became of Ole, but apparently that is not the case?

Who was the last person to know Ole's whereabouts? And when was that? Did Olav and Gunhild report that he had arrived safely? Did Ole write home for a time (for some years??), but then stopped?

He is hard to find. It might help to tell more of the story, if you can.
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Obru
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Posted - 25/03/2017 :  11:23:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good morning.
Lyndal40 : No I dont think that is the person.

JaneC : Olav and Gunnhild Bakke returned to Norway and lived here in their old days. They did not know what happend. My mother died in 1998 and we did not talk that much of this story. She was just 6 the last time she saw her father. But I started to look for him after he internet came. So much info maybe lost during the time.

There was a couple of rumors. 1. It was told he was a sailor at that time and should send money to his Family. This was in New York. He did not come back to the boat. They said there was found a body in the sea the next day? When family should collect his belongings, there was nothing. I am not sure of this story because there is so many question there..??

2. Some acquaintances were sitting in a park in New York. They saw a man from a distance resembling Ole. They made eye contact, but then he disappeared in a hurry.

The last story has given me a feeling that he simply jumped in the Us and continued a new life there. I know many did that.

I know this is diffecult to solve, but I feel I just have to give it a try.

I am so gratfull for all help in here.

I will try the newspaper sites soon..

Øystein Bruvik
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Obru
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Posted - 25/03/2017 :  11:33:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have a photo of Ole Mathias Olsen.. How can I put it here ?

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