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leiferik
Junior member
Norway
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 Posted - 18/03/2018 : 18:15:17
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My great-great-uncle Andreas Knudsen was born Jan 9, 1857 in Rogaland, Norway and died Dec 13, 1929 in Kings, New York. He probably came to New York about 1880-1890, after being a sailor/seaman for several years. He settled in New York with his wife Elizabeth, born in Stavanger Aug 27, 1851, died in New York Nov 20, 1913.
But what did Andreas do for living in NY? Where did he live, occupation etc. ? His family in Norway was informed about his death in 1929, but I know nothing about his probably more than forty years in NY. I will appreciate any information about this. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 18/03/2018 : 19:47:20
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| In the 1905 census in the Bronx, Andreas and wife Elizabeth are living on the river front and their occupations are each listed as "boatman." |
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peder
Advanced member
USA
835 Posts |
Posted - 18/03/2018 : 21:42:30
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from my heritage,( membership required)
Knut Andreas Knutson
Deceased
Gender: Male
Birth: Jan 9 1857
Austrĺtt, Hoyland, Rogaland, Norway
Christening: Jan 25 1857
Hoyland, Rogaland, Norway
Marriage: Spouse: Elisabet Sofie Torsdatter
July 1 1880
Rogaland, Norway
Parents: Ellen Guria Knutson (born Eilevsdatter)
Knut Salomon Knutson
Wife: Elisabet Sofie Knutson (born Torsdatter)
Siblings: Maren Knut- Salomonsdatter
Ane Marie Knutsdatter
Elisabet Sofie Knutson (born Torsdatter)
Deceased
Gender: Female
Birth: Aug 27 1851
Norway
Marriage: July 1 1880
Rogaland, Norway
Husband: Knut Andreas Knutson
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 18/03/2018 : 22:19:11
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This may be the death record of your Elizabeth at least the date of death matches:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WMF-8TX
Name Elizabeth Knudson
Event Type Death
Event Date 20 Nov 1913
Event Place Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Address Dead Pine
Gender Female
Age 63
Marital Status Married
Race White
Occupation domestic
Birth Year (Estimated) 1850
Birthplace Norway
Burial Date 23 Nov 1913
Cemetery Evergreen Cem.
Father's Name Thore Eeg
Father's Birthplace Norway
Mother's Name Gurine Cornelinesen
Mother's Birthplace Norway |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 18/03/2018 : 22:35:48
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From the Brooklyn Daily Eagle, Sunday 15 December 1929 page 23A col 2:
"KNUDSON, On Dec. 13, 1929, K.Andreas KNUDSON, beloved uncle of Samuel Pettersen of 464 46h St. Service at Fred Herbst Sons Memorial , 2501 5th Ave. Brooklyn, Monday 2 pm Interment Evergreens Cemetery."
So who is Samuel Pettersen? |
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leiferik
Junior member
Norway
34 Posts |
Posted - 18/03/2018 : 23:03:12
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Originally posted by jkmarler
In the 1905 census in the Bronx, Andreas and wife Elizabeth are living on the river front and their occupations are each listed as "boatman."
How can we understand the occupation «boatman» ? Where they running a ferry on the river or something? |
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leiferik
Junior member
Norway
34 Posts |
Posted - 18/03/2018 : 23:13:22
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Thank you ‘peder’ and ‘jkmarler’. This is the right persons you have found.
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Originally posted by jkmarler
So who is Samuel Pettersen?
Samuel Pettersen is a son of Andreas’ sister Elen Charlotte Pettersen (who lived her life in Norway), and Samuel, born 1900, emigrated in 1920 and lived in Brooklyn until his death in 1963.
Maybe Samuel lived together with his uncle Andreas? As far as I know Andreas and Elizabeth did not have any children. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 18/03/2018 : 23:29:00
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quote:
Originally posted by leiferik
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
In the 1905 census in the Bronx, Andreas and wife Elizabeth are living on the river front and their occupations are each listed as "boatman."
How can we understand the occupation «boatman» ? Where they running a ferry on the river or something?
The majority of people listed on the page have that same occupation. Others are listed as "steward" and doing "housework", servant, mate, watchman. I suppose that it might be as general as fixing ropes, sails, engines, loading and unloading, or sailing anything to do with a boat.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SPNN-YKS
page image: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSR9-FVK?i=1&cc=1463113
If you have registered at familysearch.org and signed in you should be able to search and view the things there.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 18/03/2018 : 23:39:36
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quote:
Originally posted by leiferik
Thank you ‘peder’ and ‘jkmarler’. This is the right persons you have found.
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Originally posted by jkmarler
So who is Samuel Pettersen?
Samuel Pettersen is a son of Andreas’ sister Elen Charlotte Pettersen (who lived her life in Norway), and Samuel, born 1900, emigrated in 1920 and lived in Brooklyn until his death in 1963.
Maybe Samuel lived together with his uncle Andreas? As far as I know Andreas and Elizabeth did not have any children.
Might be Samuel's arrival in US in 1920 as fireman on board Biran:
image: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9PY-4VQ5?i=1067&cc=1368704
text: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J6CD-NNP |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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leiferik
Junior member
Norway
34 Posts |
Posted - 19/03/2018 : 18:18:58
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Originally posted by jkmarler
I think this may be Knut and Elizabeth in 1892 census in New York, surname carried as Andress:
image: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-8GSN-V8?i=5&cc=1529100
text:https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X3X8-XCT
Very good! This is most likely Andreas and Elizabeth. His full name was Knut Andreas Knudsen. and here Andress has become the family name.
Maybe some kind of misspelling is the reason we don’t find him in the 1910 and 1920 census? It seems that they moved around a bit: Queens in 1892, Bronx in 1905. When his nephew Samuel arrived in 1920 I have previously information from the source ‘New York Passenger Lists 1820-1957’ that he should visit his uncle Andreas Knudsen in 21 E 40th Street. (Unfortunately I am not able to find that source in Family Search). That address I find both in Brooklyn and Manhattan? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 19/03/2018 : 20:41:48
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Google seems to find it only in Manhattan...
Searching for just the first name Elizabeth and born in span of years, is how I found them in the 1892 census. But that was not successful for 1900 and 1910, unless you can come up with a better strategy?. |
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Andreas Knudsen in New York
