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JodiRae63
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 Posted - 05/10/2018 : 03:04:39
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Hello.
I stopped working my Norway family, my father's side, for a while so I could concentrate on my mothers side. I'm back looking for more information.
This is all I have of this individual
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/10/2018 : 03:23:32
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In one of your other topics Vivi gave you this answer.
"From the "bygdebok" from Holter parish in Nannestad I find this about Christopher's family. (His name spelled Kristoffer):
Jakob Håkensen born 1761, died 1818.
Married 1807 to Dorte Larsdatter from the farm Store-Foss. She was born 1787 and died 1875.
Dorte re-married 1819 to Mikael Larsen from the farm Østre Eset born 1787 and died 1841"
Is the person of question from the same family line. If so for ancestors this far back about the only good source is going to again be a Bygdebok.
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I wonder if you mean that Mikael married in 1747 not born in 1747
Mikkel Larsen Eset f.1722, d.1780 g 1747 m Marte Nilsdtr.Færstad f.1729. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 08/10/2018 : 16:27:43
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A little more on the Mikkel Larsen of Østre Est from the same book that Vivi quoted from.
The family at Østre Est is as follows
Mikkel Larsen f 1722 d 1780 g 1747 Marte Nilsdatter from Farstad f 1729
Among the children are Gudbjorg 1749, Gudbrand 1750, Erik 1750, Ola 1751 all died young
Kari 1754 married Lars Larsen from Sundbye (Tronrud) the next owner, Erik 1758, Knut 1759, Nils 1761, Ingeborg 1766, all after Kari died young. Only one of nine grew up. |
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JodiRae63
Junior member
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Posted - 10/10/2018 : 05:23:26
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Currently I am looking at a birthdate for Dorte Larsdatter (Store-Foss) Larsen spouse Mikael Larsen Ostre Eset as 1787. is this incorrect? I do not have him married in 1747 nor born in 1747. The link shows his birthyear to be 1787 and I have his marriage date as March 31, 1819 in Norway.
What is this information? Father and mother of Mikael Larsen Ostre Este? Mikkel Larsen Eset f.1722, d.1780 g 1747 m Marte Nilsdtr.Færstad f.1729. Please explain the 'f.', 'd.', 'g.'. I do not think I misunderstand the f as birthyear and d as deathyear, but the g is what meaning? Also, I you showing me the children or siblings of Mikael Larsen Ostre Est? If so then it follows you are showing me, Gudbjorg born 1749, Gudbrand born 1750, Erik born 1750 Ola born 1751 all dying young and then Kari born 1754 married Lars Larsen from Sundbye (Tronrud) and the next area of the sentence puzzles me, 'the next owner'. What does that mean? Then the rest are they additional siblings to Mikael Larsen Ostre Eset? Thanks. I have a hard time discerning some of the items listed. |
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JodiRae63
Junior member
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Posted - 10/10/2018 : 05:25:29
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| I also am looking for Christopher (Mikkelson Trogstad) Mickkelson's travels from Nannestad, Akershus, Norway. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 10/10/2018 : 16:43:30
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Lars Larsen from Sundbye (Tronrud) and the next area of the sentence puzzles me, 'the next owner'. What does that mean?
It means that after Lars Larsen from Sundbye married Kari Mikaelsdatter he became the next owner of Østre Est.
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I do not think I misunderstand the f as birthyear and d as deathyear, but the g is what meaning?
You are correct for f and d and g means gift ie married
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AntonH
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Posted - 10/10/2018 : 16:49:32
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Currently I am looking at a birthdate for Dorte Larsdatter (Store-Foss) Larsen spouse Mikael Larsen Ostre Eset as 1787. is this incorrect?
You have the right data for Dorte, however that is a different Mikael Larsen than the one born in 1722 who married in 1747 and who died in 1780.
Here is a brief list of the families from Østre Est.
Mikkael Larsen born 1722 died 1780 and married Marte Nilsdatter in 1747
The had one daughter Kari Mikkaelsdatter who married Lars Larsen Sundby in 1773.
Lars Larsen Sundby and his wife Kari Mikkaelsdatter now became the owner of Østre Est.
They had children including a son named Mikkael. He is the one born in 1787 and who married Dorte Larsdatter in 1819. Dorte Larsdatter is listed as the widow at Trugstad. |
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JodiRae63
Junior member
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Posted - 11/10/2018 : 15:13:20
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Is Mart Nilsd., fra faerstad f1729 m 1747 to Larsen, Mikkel f1722, d1780 daughter of Nils Knustson listed in paragraph of bygdebook? Then I would like to continue gaining information on this family. It is Marte Nilsdr., that appears to be the lineage trail.
I would like to also confirm if is that Marte is from farm faerstad, and also translation of the paragraph below the family description seems to mean that a farm purchase was made for Marte. Is this correct.
The next paragraph describing Larsen, Lars family please clarify the word Gangflot, Ola, and Haken Gudbrandsen Melby i Ullensaker. and Niolai Jensen Hvam I Skeddmo.
And the Bare ett av ni barn voks opp.
Many of these children to Mikkel Larsen and Marte Nilsd., died within their first year that is correct? Is there any descerning why?
Thanks for the clarification , and dialogue. As usual I do learn the more I am engaged.
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AntonH
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Posted - 11/10/2018 : 16:36:45
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And the Bare ett av ni barn voks opp.
Many of these children to Mikkel Larsen and Marte Nilsd., died within their first year that is correct? Is there any descerning why?
"Bare ett av ni barn voks opp." Means that only one of the nine children lived to maturity. Why, hard to say from 200 years after the fact.
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and also translation of the paragraph below the family description seems to mean that a farm purchase was made for Marte. Is this correct.
No not a purchase, it translates as "Marte Olsd. the mother-in-law of Lars Larsen gave up the estate for sharing between the daughters in the autumn of 1808"
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I would like to also confirm if is that Marte is from farm faerstad
Well she or someone in her family would have had some relationship with the Færstad farm, that is was born there or lived there or worked and lived there at some point in time.
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The next paragraph describing Larsen, Lars family please clarify the word Gangflot, Ola, and Haken Gudbrandsen Melby i Ullensaker. and Niolai Jensen Hvam I Skeddmo.
The paragraph gives a list of names and attaches the farms associated with them and sometimes the parish that the farm is in.
You are referring to the part of the paragraph that lists the children of Lars Larsen and Kari Mikkelsdatter. First comes the word Barn ie children then the name of the child Mari born 1774 married 1803 to Knut Olsen Gangflot (farm name), then next child Ola born and died 1777, and then next chid Anne born 1778 and next child Ingeborg born 1781 and married to Håkon Gudbrandsen Melby (farm name) in Ullensaker (parish name), Lars see section IX for info on him, then child Mikkel born 1787 and married 1819 to Dorte Larsd. widow from Trogstad, next child Nils born and died 1790, next child Marte born 1792 married 1825 to Nikolai Jensen Hvam (farm name) in Skedsmo (parish).
I gave you a detailed translation of the paragraph because most bygdebøker follow this same outline and once you see how it is arranged you can then read for yourself a paragraph like this with just knowing a few Norwegian words.
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Is Mart Nilsd., fra faerstad f1729 m 1747 to Larsen, Mikkel f1722, d1780 daughter of Nils Knustson listed in paragraph of bygdebook
Maybe or maybe not. The farm listed with Mare Nilsdatter is Færsted and the farm listed after Nils Knutson is Døli. So you will need to look in the Nannestad bydebøker and find Marte Nilsdtter and see who her father is to determine if what you suppose is true. If you wish to do that I can give you the email address a Research Librarian from the University of North Dakota. He will do searches for you for a nominal fee. |
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JodiRae63
Junior member
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Posted - 16/10/2018 : 10:39:28
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| Why would I go to the University of North Dakota for researching Mare Nilsdatter of Faerste or Nils Knutson of Doli? The persons did not reside in America. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/10/2018 : 16:38:49
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WHY! Because thats where the books are.
Sooner or later if you are serious about the history of people who lived in Norway in the 1700's or even the 1600's, you will need to use the sources that I call "Norwegian Farm History Books" and that the Norwegians call Bygdebøker. The only realistic way to access Bygdebøker in America is to use the few libraries in the US that have a collection of the books. One of the best is UND.To get the information I provided to you above I used a bygdebok.
The book I used was "Nannestad Bygdebok Volume II, Gards Historie for Holger Sogn" by Birger Kirkeby
I suggested that the best option for you to start to use these books would be to use the services of a Research Librarian rather than try and figure out how to use them totally on your own.
The website for UND that references their collection of Bygdebøker is
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Click on Akershus and on that page click on Nannestad.
The book at UND is
Kirkeby, B. Nannestad bygdebok, v. 2 1964 DL596.N3 K56 Farms
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/10/2018 : 16:44:26
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Here are a few websites that talk about Bygedebøker (That is plural ie books, singular ie book is spelled bygdebok note the change from ø to o)
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JodiRae63
Junior member
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Posted - 16/10/2018 : 22:45:32
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| Aren't you happy! :) Thanks for the information, I am in those centuries and going back as far as possible. Good information. |
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Hedseth
New on board
USA
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Posted - 08/02/2020 : 21:04:57
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| Hello, Mikkel is part of my tree. If you need more information, please email me at hedseth@gmail.com |
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Mikael Larsen Eset b. ~1747
