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SvenOlsen
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SvenOlsen
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 Posted - 19/01/2019 : 00:06:55
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Originally posted by lyndal40
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I'm asking about Braarvig/Braarvik because I found a family in the first post of this thread, the first link. And I initially figured because in the wedding document it stated that they lived at Braarvik, Norway. Hence I am wondering if this family I found is the correct Ole Terjesen. It seems as if it's not based upon all the other things that were found?
Correct, your family is the one found by JKMarler as #7. father Ole Thorjesen Vatnebo. The marriage record I posted above is for the father and mother of Ole Thorjesen Vatnebo.
Ah okay, it's a bit confusing with all the different links. So the family I found is unrelated even though their names match? |
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SvenOlsen
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Posted - 19/01/2019 : 00:09:13
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I found this whilst going through the records, look in the bottom left for Ole Andreas. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/9437/87457/88
This person named Ole Andreas has the same parents, same farm and he seems to match the family link I posted originally. |
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jkmarler
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/01/2019 : 00:41:06
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Ancestry.com has the following children for Ole Thorjesen and Anne Kirstine Olsdatter. Note Ancestry has difficulty transcribing the last names of the children. Sometime using the Norwegian pattern of using the first name as a last name and sometimes using the last name of the father. One of the reasons I added the link to the original record.
Name: Thorje Andreas Olsen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 26 jun 1831
Baptism Place: Flosta, Aust-Agder, Norway
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Name: Johannes Severin Torjesen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 6 sep 1835
Baptism Place: Flosta, Aust-Agder, Norway
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Name: Carl Christian Torjesen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 15 mai 1837 (15 May 1837)
Baptism Place: Flosta, Aust-Agder, Norway
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Name: Anne Kirstine Torjesen (following Jackie suggestion could be Stina)
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 10 nov 1839
Baptism Place: Flosta, Aust-Agder, Norway
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Here is a Siciia born in 1841 (Could be Stina?)
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And your Ole Andreas born in 1844 (from your post)
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Edited by - AntonH on 19/01/2019 03:27:16 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 19/01/2019 : 01:48:09
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Based on the work so far, I would change my opinion on the 1865 Census you first posted on page one. I think that Ole Torjusen and Anne Kirstine Olsdatter Vatnebo (various spellings) are the parents of the chldren listed above. During that time they are living on the Vatnebo farm
Then in 1865 they are living with some of their children ie Ole Andreas, Stina (Sicilia ?} and Johannes Severin on Braarvig.
In the 1875 Census they are still living on Braarvig with children Anne Kristine b 1839 and Johan Severin born 1835.
So both you and JKMarler are right. You have the right family in the 1865 Census and Jackie has the right baptism record for your ancestor. |
Edited by - AntonH on 19/01/2019 02:47:05 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 19/01/2019 : 02:21:55
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| Anton in the far right column of the baptism for Secilie is the word "død". Perhaps she died young? Anne Kristine might be Stina instead? |
Edited by - jkmarler on 19/01/2019 02:31:16 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 19/01/2019 : 02:46:19
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Good eye Jackie, that makes more sense. Interesting in light of your next comment that the farm associated with Seclia is Lønnevig under Vatnebo.
I assume a subfarm of Vatnebo |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 19/01/2019 : 02:52:58
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Ole Thorjesen's confirmation #8 left hand page. Living on Lønevig under Watneboe
SAK, Dypvåg sokneprestkontor, F/Fb/Fbb/L0001: Parish register (copy) no. B 1, 1816-1850, p. 240
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070524320093
Most of the others have a full date of birth but his just says "something" 1805
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jkmarler
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Posted - 19/01/2019 : 11:08:46
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7. Terje Andreas Olsen was born 25 May 1831, baptized 26 June 1831 in the church
His parents are sailor Ole Thorjesen Ane Kirstine Johannesdtr Watneboeje
His godparents (or witnesses) are Astri Pedersdatter piga Helene Thorjesdtr Anders Thorstensen Christen ? Larsesen? Ole Andreas Jensen
The parents first child mother introduced to the congregation 26 June 1831.
Some babies get baptized twice, at home usually if they are sickly or there is some other inconvenience about the time of the birth like father going away to sea etc. and if the child survives, in the church.
The only requirement of the godparents is that they are confirmed in the faith, so they are at least about 15 years old and older. The godparents can be friends, neighbors or relatives. In this case I'd be interested in at least two as possible relatives Helene Thorjesdtr and Anders Thorstensen. Helene since the Geni database and I think the 1815 census each have an Helen in the family so I'd explore if she is a sister to the father Ole Thorjesen. Anders Thorstensen might be a nephew or an uncle to Ole since Ole's father is Terje Thorstensen and there is a Torsten Terjesen in the list of Ole's siblings who might be a father to Andreas. Time doesn't work for him to be a nephew.
The extension on the farm name Watneboeje means that the family is on a cotter's place on the Watneboe farm. In Norway cotters are called husman / husmand. Sometimes they are "med jord" have a piece of earth to plant for themselves and sometimes "uden jord" without it.
The numeral signifying birth order in this instance is written so it appears to be 11 but I'm fairly certain it's saying 1st. This is not a usual piece of information in the 1830s most places but seems to be something the pastor or clerk thought was important to record in this place.
Another European naming custom practiced in Norway from roughly 1750-1850 is naming the first two boys after their grandfathers and the first two girls after their grandmothers. Sometimes this is followed religiously and sometimes not. Sometimes this might be a bit of a clue to sort out which couples of the same name appearing in records might be the "right" parents. |
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SvenOlsen
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Netherlands
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Posted - 19/01/2019 : 13:57:35
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Anton in the far right column of the baptism for Secilie is the word "død". Perhaps she died young? Anne Kristine might be Stina instead?
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Good eye Jackie, that makes more sense. Interesting in light of your next comment that the farm associated with Seclia is Lønnevig under Vatnebo.
I assume a subfarm of Vatnebo
So Stina/Seclia simply died young and Anne Kirstine is another daughter of the couple? |
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SvenOlsen
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Posted - 19/01/2019 : 13:59:49
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Originally posted by jkmarler
7. Terje Andreas Olsen was born 25 May 1831, baptized 26 June 1831 in the church
His parents are sailor Ole Thorjesen Ane Kirstine Johannesdtr Watneboeje
His godparents (or witnesses) are Astri Pedersdatter piga Helene Thorjesdtr Anders Thorstensen Christen ? Larsesen? Ole Andreas Jensen
The parents first child mother introduced to the congregation 26 June 1831.
Some babies get baptized twice, at home usually if they are sickly or there is some other inconvenience about the time of the birth like father going away to sea etc. and if the child survives, in the church.
The only requirement of the godparents is that they are confirmed in the faith, so they are at least about 15 years old and older. The godparents can be friends, neighbors or relatives. In this case I'd be interested in at least two as possible relatives Helene Thorjesdtr and Anders Thorstensen. Helene since the Geni database and I think the 1815 census each have an Helen in the family so I'd explore if she is a sister to the father Ole Thorjesen. Anders Thorstensen might be a nephew or an uncle to Ole since Ole's father is Terje Thorstensen and there is a Torsten Terjesen in the list of Ole's siblings who might be a father to Andreas.
The extension on the farm name Watneboeje means that the family is on a cotter's place on the Watneboe farm. In Norway cotters are called husman / husmand. Sometimes they are "med jord" have a piece of earth to plant for themselves and sometimes "uden jord" without it.
The numeral signifying birth order in this instance is written so it appears to be 11 but I'm fairly certain it's saying 1st. This is not a usual piece of information in the 1830s most places but seems to be something the pastor or clerk thought was important to record in this place.
Another European naming custom practiced in Norway from roughly 1750-1850 is naming the first two boys after their grandfathers and the first two girls after their grandmothers. Sometimes this is followed religiously and sometimes not. Sometimes this might be a bit of a clue to sort out which couples of the same name appearing in records might be the "right" parents.
Interesting. I also found this regarding Ole Andreas Olsen.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052865004654
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036551000971
In one of the links there is a son born in 1880 that's missing in the other and in one is a daughter born in 1870 in a place that's not Flosta and she's also missing in the other. What do you think of this?
Also, i'd again like to thank everyone for their help. I've been able to add a lot of things to my family tree already. I really appreciate all your continued help. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 19/01/2019 : 14:38:51
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If Ole Andreas is a sailor or odd job doer he might move around where opportunity for employment takes him and of course bringing his family with him.
"Proof is in the pudding" as they say. I'd look in Dybvaag / Flosta records for Ole Teodore Olsen b 1880 and in Holt records for Johanne Teodore Olsdatter b 1870. The 1910 census gives exact birthdates which having makes searching sometimes easier done. Up to 1812 Dybvaag and Flosta are part of Holt parish, so it is a nearby place.
The 1875 census is not completely searchable online anywhere. Parts are available for search at Digitalarkivet and also Familysearch.org Johanne should show up if the place where the family was living in 1875 has been made searchable.
An obituary published on Tobine the mother in 1914 mentions her husband Ole Andreas Olsen and children Hanna, Anne, Thomas and Georg as surviving. So the Ole from 1880 may not be alive. Johanne may be shortened to either Hanna or Anne. Johanne would be confirmation aged about 1885 and the twin boys were born in 1884 in Dybvaag so Dybvaag / Flosta is where I'd look for Johanne's confirmation. It might give more details about her baptism. |
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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Posted - 19/01/2019 : 15:11:03
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| Collection of the godparents' names of the baptisms of Ole's and Ane Kirstine's children could be important clues to tie your Ole to the Terje Thorstensen Geni family. Anne Kirstine Olsdatter's baptism includes the name of Terje Thorstensen Vatneboe which would be the name of Ole Terjesen's father.... |
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