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Ron Iverson
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 Posted - 24/06/2020 : 00:40:34
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I would like to know if anyone has information on the married couple Lars - or Laurits (1535-about 1600) - and Magdelone - or Magdeli - (1540-1620) who owned the farm Espeland, in Seim parish, Nordhordland. Of this couple and their descendants, the Bygdebok for Alenfit says: "To this family belonged all the sheriffs of Alenfit from about 1630 to about 1850, and we know that sheriffs in other skipreida also belonged to this family."
Of Lars, the bygdebok says: "Farsnamnet er ukjent"...and the same for Magdelone. Several persons displaying family histories in ancestry.com claim this couple are descended from wealthy landowning families in the Voss region of Nordhordland, but to me these connections do not withstand close scrutiny.
Any help appreciated. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/06/2020 : 02:13:30
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Looking at the Ancestry Tree for Magdli Espeland it would appear that they would like to connect her into the Smor, Galtung and Losna families. These are old families of nobility of Norway and there is always a temptation to some how connect into these families.
Reputable Norwegian genealogists such as Lars Loberg, Jo Rune Ugulen and Tore Vigerust have spent some time debunking those lines. Here is a couple of links that might prove useful.
http://www.genealogi.no/publikasjoner/kings-vikings/index.html
PDF Ugulen
https://www.genealogi.no/tore-vigerust/ |
Edited by - AntonH on 24/06/2020 07:46:26 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/06/2020 : 02:46:56
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Most useful Trees stop about 1550 for the Vestland of Norway. Pushing back further is probably not supportable by sources. Even Geni.com will set up warning signs. Here is the Geni.com profile for Gaute Ivarsson Dall, til Valen which is found in one of the Ancestry.com Trees I looked at. Anne Berge the curator has this warning.
Curator Note from Anne M Berge (2/10/2012):
Gaute Ivarsson: mother's name Herborg Torbjørnsdtr. His father is unknown, and, whoever he was, he could not possibly have been a grandchild of Jon Halvardson Smjor. (See article link on profile page)
The link on the Geni page no longer works but it links to the Loberg article link above.
https://www.geni.com/people/Gaute-Dall-til-Valen/6000000002416554006?through=6000000014510810755 |
Edited by - AntonH on 24/06/2020 02:49:38 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 24/06/2020 : 03:12:20
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Here is a link to a Ancestry.com Tree for Magdeli Espeland. I picked one at random but there is a total of 308 trees to choose from.
Ancestry.com
Her father is listed as Laurits Johannesen Galte (Galtung) in that Tree. Her mother is listed as Anna Fartegnsdtr. That gets her into the Galtung and Losna family lines in one fell swoop.
Here is the Geni.com tree for Lauritz Johannesson Galte. One of his wives is Anna Fartegnsdatter Valen. And while they do have a daughter named Magdalena Lauritsdatter Galte, she is married to Godskalk Samsonson Sundal.
Now there are at least some sources for the Geni.com tree. How accurate they are is hard to say without doing a lot more research.
https://www.geni.com/people/Lauritz-Galte/6000000003784317157?through=6000000002740908142
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Ron Iverson
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Posted - 25/06/2020 : 06:18:59
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Thanks Lyndal40, I had the same experience in following several ancestry.com trees. It is tempting to imagine a connection to these aristocratic families, because it would allow one to extend family history back into the 14th century or even earlier. But, none of the connections seemed believable, to me.
Laurits and Magdelone appear at many top branches of my family tree, so I have an interest. But, I agree that for their line, like all the other branches, no records seem to exist earlier than the 1500s. |
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Lars and Magdelone
