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Fredriksen1882
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Posted - 14/10/2016 :  23:38:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

My great grandfather sailed on the SS Kong Sigurd on September 24, 1881, destined for Boston, Massachusetts. The wheel icon links to a list of corresponding ships here:

http://www.norwayheritage.com/t_corresp.asp?id=1083

How do I interpret the meaning of these corresponding feeder ships and their destinations? Would my great grandfather have transferred to or from one of these ships?

Thank you for your help!

Michael Fredriksen Stewart

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Posted - 15/10/2016 :  04:03:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you go by the most likely travel timeline then those are POSSIBLE corresponding ships... but

If I were you I'd seriously consider that the Kong Sigurd was headed to Hamburg. I've seen that before but NOT at all often for Norwegians. There are sources for records of emigrants leaving through Hamburg. The LDS microfilm version has been available for many years.
http://www.germanroots.com/hamburg.html
https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Hamburg_Emigration/Immigration

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Fredriksen1882
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Posted - 15/10/2016 :  04:58:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I should clarify, these are the confirmed voyages of my great grandfather Fredrik who came over in 1881, and his wife who came over in 1882.

Fredrik:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/gen/vis/8/pe00000000447607

Jensine:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/gen/vis/8/pe00000000971975

What I was trying to understand is whether they traveled only on these ships, or whether there were other ships involved. I don't understand how to make sense of the lists of the "corresponding" feeder ships.

Thank you for any assistance!

Michael Fredriksen Stewart

Edited by - Fredriksen1882 on 07/06/2018 00:15:25
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Borge
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Posted - 15/10/2016 :  14:40:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The transcribed information you found at the Digitalarkivet is not complete. In the original source the name of the agent is also noted. For Frederik's entry in the police emigration records the name of the agent was given as "Kopperud". Kopperud represented the North German Lloyd in 1881 (Norddeutscher Lloyd). From the corresponding ships you can se a confirmed match for the S/S Elbe of that line, which makes it likely to believe that Frederik traveled on that ship from Bremen to New York. I would start by checking the passenger list for the S/S Elbe. The S/S Kong Sigurd was not a transatlantic ship. See also: http://www.norwayheritage.com/articles/templates/voyages.asp?articleid=151&zoneid=6

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Fredriksen1882
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Posted - 15/10/2016 :  15:33:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ah, that's very helpful -- thank you so much for clarifying and helping me to understand better!

Michael Fredriksen Stewart
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Fredriksen1882
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Posted - 15/10/2016 :  17:01:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think Fredrik probably took the Atlas to Boston, arriving on October 11. We know through family knowledge that Boston was his port of entry, and the Atlas is noted as one of the corresponding ships that align with his departure from Norway on September 24.


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Borge
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Posted - 15/10/2016 :  22:26:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am quite sure he did not, as the Atlsa did belong to the Cunard line and Frederik purchased a ticket from the North German Lloyd line. We also know that the S/S Kong Sigurd sailed between Norwegian and German ports. If he had traveled on the Atlas he would have traveled to Liverpool in England to embark.

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lyndal40
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Posted - 15/10/2016 :  22:49:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is the arrival of the Frederik referred to by Borge above.

Fred Frederiksen
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Fred Frederiksen
Arrival Date: 8 Oct 1881
Birth Date: abt 1852
Age: 29
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Norwegian
Place of Origin: Norway
Port of Departure: Bremen, Germany and Southampton, England
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Elbe
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lyndal40
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Posted - 15/10/2016 :  22:57:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have not found a record for the Atlas arrival in 1881 into Boston on Ancestry.com. Other years yes but not 1881.I found records for 1873 and 1883 but nothing inbetween.
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lyndal40
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Posted - 15/10/2016 :  23:06:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is the arrival of a Thomas Fredricksen age 4 in June of 1882. The original manifest is nearly unreadable. However this could be Jensine and family arriving.

Thomas Frederickson
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Thomas Frederickson
Arrival Date: 27 Jun 1882
Birth Date: abt 1878
Age: 4
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: German
Place of Origin: Germany
Port of Departure: Bremen, Germany
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Rhein
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lyndal40
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Posted - 15/10/2016 :  23:11:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Because of the poor readability of the original manuscript the transcriber rendered the name of Jensine as Louise. The age of Martha is a little off but it is still a fairly good match overall.

Louise Frederickson
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Louise Frederickson
Arrival Date: 27 Jun 1882
Birth Date: abt 1857
Age: 25
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: German
Place of Origin: Germany
Port of Departure: Bremen, Germany
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Rhein

Martha Frederickson
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Martha Frederickson
Arrival Date: 27 Jun 1882
Birth Date: abt 1881
Age: 11/12
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: German
Place of Origin: Germany
Port of Departure: Bremen, Germany
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Rhein

Edited by - lyndal40 on 16/10/2016 00:57:37
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Fredriksen1882
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Posted - 15/10/2016 :  23:14:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is them! Thank you so very much; you have been immensely helpful! I have made another donation to this site as a token of my gratitude (not to mention my respect for the research skills that are so evident!)

All this time we heard they arrived in Boston, but it was obviously New York. My office window looks right out at Ellis Island.... I presume that is where they may have "been processed".

Michael Fredriksen Stewart
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JaneC
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Posted - 15/10/2016 :  23:38:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Impressive thread.

Ellis island opened 1892.

Perhaps they were processed at Castle Garden.
http://www.castlegarden.org/
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Fredriksen1882
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Posted - 15/10/2016 :  23:40:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No sooner did I post that, then I thought about Castle Garden. Thank you for mentioning it.

Michael Fredriksen Stewart

Edited by - Fredriksen1882 on 16/10/2016 00:17:35
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Fredriksen1882
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Posted - 15/10/2016 :  23:58:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
By the way, the family settled in Newburyport, Massachusetts. Fredrik was an apprentice goldsmith in Norway, so he put those skills to work as a silver smelter at the Towle Silver Company in Newburyport, Massachusetts. I wonder... would he (and his wife and children a year later) have taken yet another ship to Boston, or ridden by train?

Michael Fredriksen Stewart
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Fredriksen1882
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Posted - 16/10/2016 :  00:09:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There are some interesting coincidences. I have only been to Germany one time, and it was to spend three weeks in Bremen. On New Year's Eve of 1988, I stood right on the water front at Bremensports, looking out to sea. Now, 28 years later, my office is about four blocks from Castle Gardens in downtown New York City, and I have spent time on the shoreline looking past the harbor out to sea. So I have been at two of the ports of their journey!


Michael Fredriksen Stewart

Edited by - Fredriksen1882 on 16/10/2016 00:16:31
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