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synnoven
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Posted - 05/10/2018 :  09:37:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hans Olsen Ulbergseie born 13.03.1887 in Heidal, Norway, left Norway 25.05.1907 by the ship Oslo towards Boston. He lived in Sør-Fron when he left Norway.
His brother Johannes Olsen born 1884 left Norway one year earlier by the same ship. He listed his destination to Minnesota.
We would like to know more about their lives in America.

Synnøve N Ramsrud

jkmarler
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Posted - 05/10/2018 :  10:29:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks like this might be Hans heading to Minneapolis to brother Johannes coming from Sondre Fron Harpefoss?:
image: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9Y71-RMY?i=377&cc=1923995
transcription: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:23FJ-8XQ


Edited by - jkmarler on 05/10/2018 18:14:19
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jkmarler
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Posted - 05/10/2018 :  10:33:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There are 11 Hans Olson b 1887 Norway in the 1910 US census but only two with migration year of 1907:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MLGN-J8Q

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2L5-RS9

Do you know of an uncle named Julius Larson?


Edited by - jkmarler on 05/10/2018 10:34:19
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jkmarler
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Posted - 06/10/2018 :  14:14:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There is one Johannes Olson in Minneapolis city directory in 1907, but several pages of John Olson. Johannes boards at 2321 Bloomington Avenue, no occupation listed. This is a different address than listed in the passenger list of "5th St, Minneapolis."

This will take you to theMinneapolis city directory of 1907 (adressebok): This Johannes is on page 1287. The Hans Olson entries are also on this page but it's unlikely that any are your Hans, since the publication was likely prepared the year before that is 1906.

http://box2.nmtvault.com/Hennepin2/

Edited by - jkmarler on 08/10/2018 15:37:38
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synnoven
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Posted - 07/10/2018 :  10:45:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[quote]Originally posted by jkmarler

There are 11 Hans Olson b 1887 Norway in the 1910 US census but only two with migration year of 1907:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MLGN-J8Q

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2L5-RS9

Do you know of an uncle named Julius Larson?


Julius Larsen was not the brother of either Hans' father or mother. I'm trying to find out whether Inger (Julius' wife) was a sister.

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JaneC
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Posted - 08/10/2018 :  13:01:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is the 1906 departure of Johannes Olsen Ulbergseie:
link

FamilySearch transcriptions:

Marriage of Ole Andersen and Eldri Olsdatter
(parents of Hans Olsen per his birth record):
link

Children: Anders f 1869, Knud f 1871, John f 1874, Britt f 1877, Ole f 1880, Johannes 1884, Hans f 1887

Birth of Brit 25 February 1877 (per original; see below), baptized April
link

Birth of Johannes 18 April 1884
Transcription link
Original image link


Synnoven, in the USA, a marriage record, a death record, or an obituary may include a man's full date of birth (day, month, year) and his parents' names and maybe siblings. We use these details to tell the difference between similar people. Various additional details from Norway can help, such as any relatives who emigrated. That's the reason to post the above birth date for Johannes, parents' names, and siblings. Please add anything more if you can.

Edited by - JaneC on 08/10/2018 20:11:01
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jkmarler
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Posted - 08/10/2018 :  13:17:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Johannes Olson was going to his brother-in-law John Hader or John Hadn in Minneapolis:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99D9-HGY3?i=108&cc=2185163

Do the brothers have a sister in US?

Edited by - jkmarler on 08/10/2018 13:20:57
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jkmarler
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Posted - 08/10/2018 :  14:56:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
#9 Hans

SAH, Vågå prestekontor, Parish register (official) no. 10, 1887-1904, p. 2
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060626110287

The farm appears to be Lillesæter, Mother's name is Eldri Olsdatter b abt 1844

The family in 1900:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01037083002196

Mom and Dad on their own in 1910:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036432001824

The family in 1875:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052089000948

Brit # 15 b 25 Feb 1877 baptism date above
SAH, Vågå prestekontor, Parish register (official) no. 7 /2, 1873-1886, p. 180
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070115630360

A possible for Brit as Mrs. B. Haben in 1905 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSY3-BFN?i=75&cc=1503056


Apparently the family name is Brandthaven rather than Haben, so this possible is off the board.

Here is a Brit b 25 Jan 1877 b Hedalen Vaage living in Sør Fron in 1910
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036432001996


Edited by - jkmarler on 11/10/2018 20:21:33
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synnoven
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Posted - 09/10/2018 :  13:00:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you for all information. We are trying to find out wheter Britt and her husband emigrated and perhaps came back to Norway. They are in the US in 1905 and in Norway in 1910 - if they are the same people.

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jkmarler
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Posted - 09/10/2018 :  15:56:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Synnøve what do you know about the brother Knut Olsen b 1871, could he have come to US?
nevermind about that
In the Minneapolis city directories, I wasn't successful searching for John Hader / Hadn or any reasonable spelling, so I tried looking for the address in Johannes' passenger record which was 22-14 2nd street. There were a number of entries in the directories for 2214 N 2nd and 2214 NE 2nd. One of the people listed with that address in 1906 was a Knute Olson and he was also there in 1905 but aged 53 so too old to be the brother Knut...

Have you also looked for a dødsfallprotokol for the parents Ole Andersen and Eldri Olsdatter? Sometimes, a more complete address is given in those records for those survivors living in US. It might help you to know if Johannes and Hans were still thought to be alive at that time and if you are really lucky it might give an address or town or state where they were living.

In the 1910 Norwegian census of Brit and John Lien, for that Brit at least, there was no further information collected about living outside of Norway. I'm not sure that I checked Jon's entry for the expanded information.

Which I did do now and yes he was in Minnesota from 1905-1909:

Year of emigration:
1905
Year of return to Norway:
1909
Occupation in America:
Skogs- og høstningsarb
Residence in Norway before emigration:
S. Fron
Last residence in America:
Minesota

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036432001995

This John is married with "lien" as part of his name:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000643380

Daugther Marie #8
SAH, Sør-Fron prestekontor, H/Ha/Haa/L0004: Parish register (official) no. 4, 1898-1919, p. 28
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb10211205100030

And a Martin Hanson also lives at that address in 1906 (2214 N 2nd). He is also there in 1905 but is aged 49 and has lived in US 4 years, so unlikely to be of interest.

John Hanson and Brit Olsdatter 2nd marriage from top of page:
SAH, Sør-Fron prestekontor, H/Ha/Haa/L0004: Parish register (official) no. 4, 1898-1919, p. 259
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb10211205100230

Hans #16 right hand page utflyttede:
SAH, Sør-Fron prestekontor, H/Ha/Haa/L0004: Parish register (official) no. 4, 1898-1919, p. 368
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb10211205100332



Edited by - jkmarler on 10/10/2018 01:19:01
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jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 09/10/2018 :  20:27:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Okay, here is a John Hagen in 1905 living at 2214 2nd st in Minneapolis working in Lumber and has only been in US 2 months:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSYQ-GR3?i=20&cc=1503056

John Almehagen landed in Halifax on the Virginian heading to Minneapolis:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XSQQ-QZ?i=32&cc=1823240

Going to his cousin Peter B. Bakken also at 2214 2nd street:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9DS-733K?i=80&cc=2185163

Edited by - jkmarler on 11/10/2018 18:13:02
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jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 10/10/2018 :  08:12:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A search for Hans b Norway 13 Mar 1886, 1887, 1888 of any last name in the World War I draft registration cards found only one Hans with that exact birthdate (13 Mar 1887) his name was Hans Fuhr. He came to US in 1891 with his parents Andrew and Christine, so not your guy.

Neither Hans Olson nor Johannes Olson appear in the Vaage or Sor Fron sections of the 1923 or 1925 Gudbrandsdalslaget's membership lists of those years.

No Hans Olson with birthdate 13 Mar 1887 appears in the Social Security Death Index.


Edited by - jkmarler on 10/10/2018 14:15:59
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jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 10/10/2018 :  19:04:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a John Olson birthdate one day off target in SSDI:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V3KC-MMW
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JaneC
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USA
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Posted - 13/10/2018 :  15:27:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a Find-a-Grave memorial for the John Olsen
listed in the Social Security Death Index (SSDI)
as born 17 April 1884 and died 1964 in Oregon.
link

Edited by - JaneC on 13/10/2018 15:31:06
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jkmarler
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Posted - 13/10/2018 :  17:28:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The obituary at FAG for John Olsen says he is from Nordreisa Norway which is in Troms, makes him unlikely:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordreisa
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