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dennishansen
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Posted - 23/10/2018 :  13:58:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Where is Skelbred, Sonforeder, Norway located?

Hopkins
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USA
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Posted - 23/10/2018 :  15:07:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is that a spelling found in the US? I can't find any match in Norway BUT there is another way to tackle the problem of finding where great grandma came from.

http://sites.rootsweb.com/~wgnorway/good-queries.htm
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/10/2018 :  16:47:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Another way to go at it would be to explore your great grandmother....
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lyndal40
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USA
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Posted - 23/10/2018 :  16:56:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Or this from

Skjelbred: Norway
SOURCE: National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, Bethesda, MD, USA

Full Name (see definition): Skjelbred

Primary Country Code (see definition): NO (Norway)

First-order administrative division code (see definition): 04 (Buskerud )
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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 23/10/2018 :  18:05:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There must be at least a dozen farms spread all over Norway with basically the same name Skilbreid/Skjelbreid which may all at some point have been spelled "Skelbred", but if I were to make a guess based on the little info we have, I would go for JaneC's suggestion Skilbrei in Sunnfjord. Sunnfjord is the middle part of Sogn og Fjordane county, meaning "South Fjord" and in earlier times often spelled Sønfiord or similar — Sønfiorden in determinate form — which doesn't take all that much mangling to turn into Sonforeder. Here is Skilbrei on a map. You may also search for Skilbrei(d) or Skjelbrei(d) or similar on the same map, to see other possibilities elsewhere in Norway:

https://kart.gulesider.no/?c=61.381435,5.818055&z=16&q=%22Skilbrei%22;214645074;geo

Edited by - ToreL on 24/10/2018 04:59:11
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 25/10/2018 :  10:26:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dennishansen

Where is Skelbred, Sonforeder, Norway located?



Skelbred, Sandefjord?
Do you have a name?

Edited by - Kåarto on 25/10/2018 10:30:49
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dennishansen
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Posted - 29/10/2018 :  12:52:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Her name was Gertrude Sorgenson. Her obituary says she was born in Skelbred, Sonforeder, Norway on June 10th, 1852 and died August 17th, 1935. She immigrated to Nebraska in 1869. She was married to Ole Hansen on March 18th, 1885. They had 4 children Anna, Sarah, Martha and Andrew (my grandfather). She was the homesteader in the family and homesteaded in Webster County, NE before she married Ole.
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vivi
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Norway
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Posted - 29/10/2018 :  13:33:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi

There is a Gjertrud Sørensdatter leaving Norway 1869 from Stavanger, no 164:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=169&ps=48638

There is a Gjertrud Sørensdatter born 10. june 1851 in Gaular, Sunnfjord. Their farm was Skilbred.
No 44;
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070302670115

She left Gaular 3. may 1869, no 9 right page:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070111320048

Are you sure Gertrude was born 1852?

Vivi

Edited by - vivi on 29/10/2018 13:36:53
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dennishansen
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Posted - 29/10/2018 :  13:42:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Her parents were Soren and Inger. She had six brothers, John, Niels, Andrew,Sorden, Nickoly, and Yance and one sister, Gonilda.
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vivi
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Norway
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Posted - 29/10/2018 :  13:54:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi

Here are the parents of Gjertrud in the 1865 census and six brothers and one sister (Gjertrud is not here)
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038265001473

Their name fits the names you listed.

Vivi

Edited by - vivi on 29/10/2018 13:55:40
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vivi
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Norway
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Posted - 29/10/2018 :  13:57:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi

Gjertud is servant at another farm in the 1865 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038265002115

Vivi
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jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 29/10/2018 :  14:51:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vivi

Hi

There is a Gjertrud Sørensdatter leaving Norway 1869 from Stavanger, no 164:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=169&ps=48638

There is a Gjertrud Sørensdatter born 10. june 1851 in Gaular, Sunnfjord. Their farm was Skilbred.
No 44;
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070302670115

She left Gaular 3. may 1869, no 9 right page:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070111320048

Are you sure Gertrude was born 1852?



Her FAG memorial gives her birthdate as 10 June 1852 but the headstone is not pictured:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/102927142
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vivi
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Norway
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Posted - 30/10/2018 :  01:00:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi

Gjertrud and Gertrude "must" be the same person. Same date of birth, but one year different.
Same year of emigration 1869.

Gertrude had parents Soren and Inger.
Gjertrud also had parents Søren and Inger. (Inga in the census)
Siblings:
John = Johan
Niels = Nils
Andrew = Andreas
Sorden = Søren
Nickoly = Nikolai
Yance = Elias
Gonilda = Gunhilde


Vivi

Edited by - vivi on 30/10/2018 22:41:22
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dennishansen
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Posted - 30/10/2018 :  04:01:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
From my earlier post, Gertrude=Gjertrud was my great grandmother. She homesteaded the farm I currently own today. Evidently, she was born in Gaular Sunnfjord, but I was hoping to find approximately where their farm was located. Skelbred, Sonforeder, Norway is all I have. I am traveling to Norway next summer and would like to travel the approximate area they were from.
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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 30/10/2018 :  09:23:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Did you look at the link I posted a week ago? It sends you to a map showing Skilbrei farm in Gaular, Sunnfjord. Skilbrei is Norwegian spelling, as opposed to the older, Danish Skilbred or Skelbred. You can zoom out on the map, to see where in Norway it is, and you can also change from map view to aerial photo. Moreover, the application also tells you who lives on the farm now. His last name is Skilbrei, and he has a facebook profile where you can contact him. I send you the details in a PM.

Edited by - ToreL on 30/10/2018 11:51:00
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vivi
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Norway
326 Posts

Posted - 30/10/2018 :  23:42:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi

There were several Skilbrei-farms. Gjertrud's parents had no 4.

According to the «bygdebok» from Gaular, Bygstad parish, the parents of Gjertrud: Søren Gregoriusson and Inger Sørensdatter ran the farm Skilbrei from 1852 to 1870. Their farm was Indre Skilbrei also called Olatunet

Gjertrud's mother Inger was born 1824 at Skilbrei. Her parents (and Gjertrud's grandparents) were Søren Fransson (born 1791, died 1873) and Lisbeth Eriksdatter (born 1784, died 1857).
Inger was married 1845 to Søren Gregoriusson born 1820 at Hestad.
Søren had previously been married to Johanna Lassesdatter who was born 1813 and 1842.
Children as mentioned in the book:
a) Johan born 1845, emigrated 1870 to America
b) Gunhild born 1848, emigrated 1870 to America
c) Gjertrud born 1851, emigrated 1869 to America
d) Nils born 1854, emigrated 1870 to America
e) Andreas born 1856
f) Elias born 1858
g) Søren born 1861 and died 1861 at Skilbrei
h) Søren born 1862, emigrated 1897 to America
i) Nikolai born 1865
j) Jens born 1867

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There are mistakes in "bygdebøker" so verify all the information before accepting it as a fact!

Vivi
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