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lyndal40
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Posted - 06/05/2019 :  00:32:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is there any information that can be gleaned from the wedding record for daughter Lina in 1871.

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Must have been her second marriage

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vivi
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Posted - 06/05/2019 :  10:35:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi

I don't find any new information about her father in her two marriages.
Neither do I find anything in the "dødsfallprotokoll" when she dies 1881:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk10081211151028

She died in Norway so her husband and children must have emigrated later.


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jkmarler
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Posted - 06/05/2019 :  11:10:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40

Interesting case I must say. Just looking at the 1860 Census of Ole and his pal Hallek in Sauk County. I think that the boys are working on the farms of two brothers. From a Tree in ancestry the two brothers might be

Haavel (Haaver)(Hover) Anderson
1819–1885
BIRTH 8 MARCH 1819 • Norway[/red]8 April 1819 / bapt 25 April 1819 b on Trælverkplads (in Gol)
DEATH 6 MARCH 1885 • Bear Creek Twp. Sauk Co. Wisconsin

birth baptism #52
SAKO, Nes kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0007: Parish register (official) no. 7, 1815-1823, p. 162-163
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060127050683

Bjorn (Benjamin) J. Anderson
1829–1903
BIRTH 06 MAY 1829 • Halingdal Valley, Buskerud, Norway
DEATH 25 DEC 1903 • Port Angeles, Clallam County, Washington

whose father is

Anders (Andrew) Haavelson Anderson
1790–1871
BIRTH 2 SEP 1790 • Buskerud, næs, Norway
DEATH 2 MAR 1871 • Sauk City, Sauk, Wisconsin, United States

Andrew and wife Julia living with Hoover in 1870

1870

Probably Andrew and Julia and son? in 1860 Census. Now sign of Kittle Herbrandsen unfortunately.

Andrew Hoverson
in the 1860 United States Federal Census
Name: Andrew Hoverson
Age: 69
Birth Year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Norway
Home in 1860: Spring Green, Sauk, Wisconsin
Post Office: Spring Green
Dwelling Number: 1012
Family Number: 993
Occupation: Farmer
Real Estate Value: 400
Personal Estate Value: 250
Cannot Read, Write: Y
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew Hoverson 69
Goorie Hoverson 67
Hans Hoverson 34

Looks like Harriet wife of Olaus Kittelsen is also on this page .

Probably these two children, Tree is not exactly got the birth and baptism dates correct

Name: Halvor Andersen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 8 apr 1819
Baptism Date: 25 apr 1819
Baptism Place: Nes i Hallingdal, Buskerud, Norway
Father: Anders Haavordsen
Mother: Guri Hansdr

#52

Name: Bjorn Andersen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 1829
Baptism Date: 14 jun 1829
Baptism Place: Nes i Hallingdal, Buskerud, Norway
Father: Anders Hoveren
Mother: Guri Hansdr

[red] According to Volume 3 Norwegian Immigrants to the United States, came to US on a ship named Albertine in 1848 arriving in New York on 12 July. Party included parents Anders Haavelon Hovda, Guri Hansdatter, children Haavel, Hans, Bjørn, Ingebjørg, Margit; daughter Barbo thought to have come to US in 1869.

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Interesting theory but I think I'll stick with my earlier:

Hallek Halverson Male 18 White 1842 Norway 135 (Hellik Halvorsen Solbergsater b 1842)
Ellen Anderson Female 80 White 1780 Norway 135
Benj Allerson Male 47 White 1813 Norway 135 (Maybe the Bjørn Olson Solbergsater age46 who also leaves Eiker in 1860)
Sarah Allerson Female 55 White 1805 Norway 135 (Bjorn Olson's wife Sønaug Svendsdatter Solbergsater age 52)
Ole Kittleson Male 13 White 1847 Norway 135 (Olaus Kittleson Beslaugeie b 1847)

Edited by - jkmarler on 06/05/2019 20:30:10
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jkmarler
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Posted - 06/05/2019 :  14:50:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So it's at least possible that Kittil Herbrandson is in Norway someplace under an alias or hiding. To that end here are all the males, born Rollag 1808-1810 found at the digitalarkivet:

Ole Sjulsen (male)
1810* Rollag Prgj. Husfader g Gaardbr Selveier Rollag: Fjøslien 1865-12-31 folketelt 1865 census for Rollag

Halvor Larsen (male)
1810* Rollag Prgj. g Føderaadsmand Rollag: Flotterud 1865-12-31 folketelt 1865 census for Rollag

Kittil Andresen (male)
1808* Rollag Husfader g Gaardbr Selveier Rollag: Torsrud 1865-12-31 folketelt 1865 census for Rollag

Ole Olsen (male)
1810* Rollag Husfader g Gaardbr Selveier Rollag: Hellerødningen 1865-12-31 folketelt 1865 census for Rollag

Niels Olsen (male)
1808* Rollag Prgj. Husfader g Husmand med Jord Rollag: Tangen (plads) 1865-12-31 folketelt 1865 census for Rollag

Ole Nielsen (male)
1808* Rollag Prgj. Husfader g Husmand med Jord Rollag: Donavold (plads) 1865-12-31 folketelt 1865 census for Rollag

Knud Carlsen (male)
1809* Rollag Prgj. Huusfader g Gaardbruger og Kirkesanger Rollag: Landsverk lille 1865-12-31 folketelt 1865 census for Rollag

Narve Simensen (male)
1809* Rollag Prgj. Husf g Gaardbr Selveier Rollag: Skarpmoen 1865-12-31 folketelt 1865 census for Rollag

Tosten Tostensen (male)
1808* Rollag Prgj. Husfader g Husm med Jord Rollag: Myra (plads) 1865-12-31 folketelt 1865 census for Rollag

Gunder Thorsen (male)
1810* Rollag Prgj. g Føderaadsmand Rollag: Kongsjorde 1865-12-31 folketelt 1865 census for Rollag

Iver Herbrandsen (male)
1808* Rollag Prgj. Huusfader g Gaardbruger og Selveier Rollag: Fulsaas 1865-12-31 folketelt 1865 census for Rollag

Niels Gulliksen (male)
1808* Rollag Prgj. Husf g Husm med Jord Rollag: Malbrækka 1865-12-31 folketelt 1865 census for Rollag

Tosten Gulbrandsen (male)
1808* Rollag Prgj. Husfader g Gaardbruger og Selveier Rollag: Haugrud 1865-12-31 folketelt 1865 census for Rollag

Gulbrand Thovsen (male)
1808* Rollag Prgj. Husfader g Gaardbr, Selveier og Leilænding Rollag: Wæglid Præsteg. med Wæglid 1865-12-31 folketelt 1865 census for Rollag

Peder Østensen (male)
1810 Rollag Føderaads-Enkem. Rollag 1881-08-06 avdød Church book from Tinn parish, Mæl local parish 1878-1917 (0826P)

Hellik Olsen (male)
1808 Rollag S Rollag Husfader e Arbeider For Dagen For Bygmester Olsen Tune: Hannestad 1875-12-31 1875 census for 0130P Tune

Ole Haukjem (male)
1810 Rollag herred el e Lægdslem Rollag: Kjemhus nordre (gaard) 1900-12-03 1900 census for Rollag

Gunulf Engebretsen (male)
1808 Rollag g Gårdbr og selveier hp Kallekaaset 1891-01-01 1891 census for 0633 Nore


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vivi
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Posted - 06/05/2019 :  15:11:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi

Oh dear...
Yes, I guess it might be a possibility that he is "hiding" in Norway. I don't know why the family seems sure he emigrated to America.
I'll go through your list and check them out after finding their name among those baptised in Rollag. If someone is left, I'll try to figure out who it might be.

I have tried to search for him in Sweden, but no luck there either.
I suppose Canada also might be a possible place to look for him.


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jkmarler
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Posted - 06/05/2019 :  16:45:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So what crime had been committed that the authorities were looking for Kittle ? Was he a "usual suspect?"
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jkmarler
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Posted - 06/05/2019 :  19:12:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
On the page with Hellik Halvorson and Olaus Kittleson leaving from Eiker is another named Paul Halvorsen Solbergsater. He and Hellick are brothers, sons of Halvor Paulson and Marit Holgesdatter:

#39
SAKO, Eiker kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0014: Parish register (official) no. I 14, 1846-1854, p. 273
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051121011169

Edited by - jkmarler on 06/05/2019 19:19:54
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lyndal40
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Posted - 06/05/2019 :  22:01:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Might be Paul in this Civil War Draft Registration.

Paul Halverson
in the U.S., Civil War Draft Registrations Records, 1863-1865
Name: Paul Halverson
Birth Year: abt 1838
Place of Birth: Norway
Age on 1 July 1863: 25
Race: White
Marital status: Unmarried (Single)
Residence: Madison, Dane, Wisconsin
Congressional District: 2nd
Class: 1
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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/05/2019 :  00:30:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Could be the same man also in Madison, Dane county Wisconsin:
Albert Warren M 32 Massachusetts
Mary A Warren F 25 New York
Jonas W Warren M 5 Wisconsin
Chas R Warren M 0 Wisconsin
Paul Halverson M 21 Norway
Isaac N Stone M 20 New York
Bridg Jayce F 17 Ireland
Elizab Dudley F 33 Massachusetts
Citing this Record

"United States Census, 1860", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWMT-TL6 : 13 December 2017), Paul Halverson in entry for Albert Warren, 1860.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/05/2019 :  23:22:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Are there any grandchildren in Norway that Kittil might have stood faddernes to before he disappeared? If so, it might be possible to limit the time for his window for leaving. As it stands we have these dates:

1864 reported someone sighted him in Norway
1866 about his wife Live it is noted that her husband has been gone a long time and she is still listed as gift or married
1869 in Live's estate papers in 1889 it is noted that Kittil has been absent for about 20 years
1875 Live's marital status is marked as "f" which might mean fraskilt or divorced
1889 in the newspaper announcement seeking his whereabouts is the remark he left from Ullstadeie in Lyngdal in Flesberg about 1864.

If he was in trouble with the law and it was as late as or after 1866 that he actually left for America, he might have assumed an identity to escape whatever the trouble was. So far no appropriately aged Kittil Herbrandson has been found in US nor Norway nor Canada.
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lyndal40
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Posted - 07/05/2019 :  23:39:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not much luck searching for him in the Ancestry.com arrivals. Here is about the only one that even comes close. Lists his occupation as farmer.

Tonster Herbrandsen
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Tonster Herbrandsen
Gender: Male
Arrival Age: 60
Birth Year: abt 1809
Arrival Date: Jun 1869
Arrival Port: Canada
Vessel: Nestorian
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vivi
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Posted - 08/05/2019 :  00:52:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi

There was a house that burned in 1864 and Kittil was seen in or near the house. Enough to make the sheriff interested and he wanted to interrogate Kittil as I understood it.
I don't know when in 1864 he was seen, but Kittil was in Eiker in 1864.

He is not found among the sponsors of grandchildren.

Kittil worked as a carpenter.in Norway. They probably also had a few domestic animals.

I found the probate of his son who died 1871, but nothing mentioned about his parents there.



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jkmarler
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Posted - 08/05/2019 :  15:43:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Daughter Lina in 1875 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052123001380

Daughter Lina in 1865 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038091003718

Edited by - jkmarler on 08/05/2019 15:53:54
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