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David Wallace
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Posted - 07/10/2018 :  14:16:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
At the top of page 7, ToreL posted ....
“ So Susanne Marie was named after her father’s mother. This matches the probate records after Christen Nielsen Kiløen, deceased by drowning in 1793:” ....
following the link provided, I see “Merknader:Druknet ved ??bryggen”
Does this mean he drowned or that he drank himself to death?

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David Wallace
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Posted - 07/10/2018 :  19:28:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[quote]Originally posted by lyndal40

Well here is the marriage record for Simon Erlandsen and Bertha Osmundsdater. Not been easy to find.
[quote]

Is there a link for this record?

DBWallace
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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 07/10/2018 :  22:00:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Christen Nielsen Kiløen drowned, although I can't read all the details; perhaps somebody else will have a try? His burial on October 19th 1793 is in fact recorded in two different ministerial books, both for Kristiansand domprosti. The first has the briefest entry and the worst handwriting; it gives October 17th as the date of death, and says something about "bryggen" (the pier/quay). No 198 in the other book gives October 13th as the date of death, and comments that he "blev xxx i fjorden ved xxxx bryggen Natten til den 13de, og blev fundet igjen den 17 Octobr. kl. 10 1/4 formid." (Was xxx in the sea by the xxx pier on the night of the 13th, and was found again on the 17th at quarter past 10 am.)

Edited by - ToreL on 07/10/2018 22:02:28
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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 07/10/2018 :  22:19:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I assume that lyndal40 found the record for the 1855 Chicago wedding on Ancestry. Here is a link, although there is nothing accessible there that has not already been posted.

https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/14618067?h=308992&utm_campaign=bandido-webparts&utm_source=post-share-modal&utm_medium=copy-url
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jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 08/10/2018 :  01:08:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The image of the marriage record on page 3 of Simon and Berthe is no longer visible on my computer. Does anybody else have that problem?
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lyndal40
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USA
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Posted - 08/10/2018 :  02:19:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I do not have that problem, but here it is again.


Edited by - lyndal40 on 08/10/2018 02:20:45
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David Wallace
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Posted - 09/10/2018 :  02:55:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ToreL

Some protocols and documents from the old guilds are preserved in local archives, but very little is available online. During the late 1800's and the 1900's many of the Norwegian cities published/printed written "Borgerbooks" with lists of master craftsmen and merchants from late medieval times (records permitting) and until the whole guild system fell apart in the middle 1800s. There is a borgerbook for Kristiansand (mentioned above) which stops at 1820, and one for Stavanger that stops at 1850. Only the first mentions Niels Christian Christensen and neither mentions Simon Erlandsen.



I believe there is a distinction between carpenter and ship’s carpenter. The latter has responsabilities aboard ship for everything pertaining to the anchor, ( dropping, weighing, maintenance), for securing cargo, and for metalworking as well as carpentry. While a ship’s carpenter might work in a shipyard, it is primarily a special skilled role as a crew member.

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David Wallace
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Posted - 09/10/2018 :  10:47:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In the out migration record, seventh on the right hand page
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/1669/386 (corrected link)
What is written before the name Tollak?
It looks like Hanorreeneed.
I guess it is his occupation, but I cannot decipher it.

DBWallace

Edited by - David Wallace on 10/10/2018 17:02:24
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jkmarler
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Posted - 10/10/2018 :  17:45:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It ends with mand so my guess is Husmand.
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David Wallace
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Posted - 23/10/2018 :  03:59:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am well satisfied to conclude this topic. Regarding Bertha’s older sister Inger, I will start a new topic. SUMMARY FOR THIS TOPIC:
Simon Erlandsen (30Dec1822-c.1875) from Øyer married Susanne Marie (a.k.a. Mette Susane) Nielsdatter in Stavanger 26May1842. Their five children born in Stavanger were Erik (22Jan1843- ), Christine Marie (16Dec1845- ), Nils Christian (9Sep1847- ), Johan (9Jun1850- ), and Gurine (31Jul1853- ). About 1854 Simon, Erik, Christine, and Johan arrived in the United States; fate of Susanne, Nils and Gurine is unknown.

Berthe Gurine Osmundsdatter (4Apr1823-1902) in Helvig near Egersund married 16Oct1845 Tollak Tollaksen (c. 1821- ) and they moved to Stavanger, there joining the same congregation as Simon and Susanne. Their two children were Tollef (1847-?), and Olene Wilhelmina (1Oct1851-1935). The family of four out-migrated to America in 1853, however only Bertha and Olene are found there.

Simon and Bertha married in 1855 in Chicago. Their three children Carl Theodor Simonson (1857-1880), Syverin Bertin Simonson (a.k.a. Barton , 1859-1891, my great-grandfather), and Willie Olaus Simonson (1862- before 1870). Olene married Lewis Evansen in 1876 and was widowed in 1877; She married Thomas Duncan in 1889 and had four sons but apparently no grandchildren. Simon’s Son Erik Simpson married but had no children. Daughter Christine Marie Simpson married Albert Britton a farmer in North Cape, Wisconsin and has several descendants. Johan was last seen still single.

Bertha’s sister Inger with husband and six children out-migrated to America in 1857, see new topic coming soon.

DBWallace

Edited by - David Wallace on 23/10/2018 04:01:28
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