| petra jensen |
| kjetil | I try to find my fathers aunt, Petra Augustdatter, who imigrant to US in 1887, whit her mother Maren (Karen) Jensen (Haug when she leavs Norway) and her stepfather M (Max) Jensen, They sign in as Jensen when they arrived US. Destination was Grantsburg, Wis.
Any help will probly help us a step on the right way.
Kjetil |
| Jo Anne Sadler | When was Petra, her mother and stepfather born? Where did they emigrate from? Where did they arrive in the U.S? Additional information would help us to research.[:)] |
| kjetil | Sorry, I forgot this.
Petra born 1871, in Norway, leave Norway in 1887, only 15 1/2 year old.
Maren born 1846 in Norway leave same year, but one week erlier
M (Max) I don`t know when he`s born, leave same year.
All leave Oslo (Kristiania)
Petra 10.02.1887
Maren og M 02.02.1887
They came whid the same ship to US, in Mars 1887 |
| Jo Anne Sadler | In the Emigrants from Kristiana Max is Magnus, a blacksmith: http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=emikra1&variabel=0&postnr=87051&fulle=true&spraak=e
From the 1900 Federal census, Minneapolis, Hennepin County, Minnesota:
Magnus Jensen, born June 1852, Norway, married 14 years, immigrated 1887, occupation Blacksmith
Mary S. Jensen, wife, born February 1853, Norway, married 14 years, immigrated 1887, 6 children, 4 living
Harold Jensen, son, born June 1891 in Minnesota.
The Hennepin County USGenWeb may be of help:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnhennep/?rc=locale%7e&us=0&o_xid=0022846411&o_lid=0022846411&o_xt=22846411
Good luck
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| kjetil | Thank you Jo Anne, This help us very murts whit Mary S. She lived until 1917 in minneapolis. We also find her right year for born.(1846)
I think we hopefully will find Petra at the same area.
Kjetil |
| Jo Anne Sadler | The Minnesota Historical Society has an online death index for the period 1908-1996:
http://people.mnhs.org/dci/Search.cfm
There is a Mary Jensen dead in 1917 in Freeborn County. There are also 10 Maren Jensens listed. Many times a relative would sign the death certificate as an informant and that could lead to a clue. |
| kjetil | Ther is one in redwood to, died in 1916, Her name Mary Sophie, will be the right combination (Maren Sopie), but I don`t know wher Redwood are.
I haven`t find anything on Petra, Is ther anyone out ther, that can give me some hints.
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Kjetil |
| Hopkins | The Minnesota Death online index is referring to Redwood County, Minnesota.
If you divide Minnesota into four equal parts - northwest, northeast, southwest and southeast - Redwood County would be in the southwest portion of Minnesota.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~mngenweb/
http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnredwoo/rwindex.html
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| Hopkins | Someone has submitted Petra Svante Augustsen to the LDS International Genealogical Index (IGI). That index lists that she was born 05 AUG 1871 Tyristrand, Buskerud, Norway. It lists her father as Svante August Pettersen and her mother as Maren Sofie Andersdatter. The online version of the IGI (at familysearch.org) does not specify the source of the information (the name of the individual who submitted). I'll make a note to check that again at the LDS Family History Center later this week and see if I can possibly locate a name of the source. |
| kjetil | That^s correct, I think you have found one of my brother`s searts for her. The information is cor. Mary^s right name in Norway was Maren Sophie Andersdatter, her first husband Svante August Petterson (Peterson). They got 4 children, Petra, Adolf,Bernhard and Constanse Marie. We can`t find anything for Petra and Constanse Marie
Mary get marrid 2. time ca.1886.
The date for Petra Is cor., I only live 15miles (US) from Tyristrand, and have the date from the churts record.
Kjetil[:I] |
| kjetil |
She was not Petra Jensen but Petra Haug. According to the Minneapolis Minnesota Directories 1889-91 Magnus Jensen a blacksmith had the address 612, 13 Avenue S - and so had Petra Haug a seamstress. That make sense since Petra was only a stepdaughter of Magnus and Mary (Maren) used the name Maren Haug in the Norwegian Emigrant Protocol. She first used the surename Jensen when she arrived to New York.
I hope it will be easier to find something more about her with this name.
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| Tore | Maren (or Mary) Johnson (Jensen) b. 14 Feb 1846 died on August 19th 1924. Magnus Johnson died 28 Nov 1918.
They are probably both burried at Crystal Lake Cemetery in north Minneapolis. Maren's death took place at the home of her daughter at 5340 41 Avenue S. The name of the daughter remains to find. However the informant of the death certificate was Lillian Hansen at the very same address. Is it possible that Petra might have changed her first name? Maren is mentioned elsewhere as mother of seven children. She had four then she left Norway. I asume that Harold and the two step children must have been the other three. She was 44 when Harold was born and according to 1910 census no child were living together with them. Therefore probably no other child than Harold grew up if they got more than one common child. The big question is then - WHO WAS LILLIAN HANSEN? |
| Brining | Hi I found Lillian Hanson in the 1920 census with Mary Johnson living with her and Lillian's husband Hans but I don't think this is the correct one [xx(] Lillian Hanson age 40 born Norway immigrated 1890 Mary Johnson age 73 immigrated 1890.
Hans Hanson is 35 so maybe Lillian/Petra?? could have fudged on her age
Carla |
| Tore | I also saw Hans and Lillian Hanson living at the same place as Mary Johson in the 1920 census. Unlike Carla I am sure these are the right persons even if their ages is not correctly mentioned. I also found Hans and Lillian in the 1930 census and their years of birth are there different from those of the 1920 census. However , the year of the immigration of Hans as well as his occupation are the same in both. In 1930 census Lillian immigrated in 1885 and was 55 y.o. In the 1920 census she immigrated in 1890 and was 40 y.o. For Hans it is even worse 35 y.o. in 1920 and only four years older in 1930. The fact that he is a meat-cutter of occupation, arrived in 1911 and have a wife named Lillian ought to be enough to believe them to be the same persons.
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| Tore | Petra Augustsdatter, Petra Haug and Lillian P. Hansen is defently the same person. According to Lillian P. Hansens certificate of death she was born in Norway Aug. 5th 1872. Petra Augustsdatter was born exactly same date but in 1871 instead of 1872. She died in Minneapolis on Feb. 1st 1948. The informater was her husband Hans who there seemed to be 20 years younger than her? Could she have been married once before? She is mentioned in the Minneapolis Minnesota Directories 1889-91 as Petra Haug. In 1900 and 1910 census I cannot find her, while she in 1920 census shows up again as Lillian Hansen. Hans Hansen immigrated first in 1911 and if his age in Lillian's death certificate is correct, he was about 20 years in 1911. They therefore probably married closer to 1920 than to 1911. The remaining question is then: What was Petra or Lillians surename in most of those years between 1890 and 1920? Was she married and did she have any children? |
| Brining | One other possible lead in the 1900 census, living with Magnus and Maren is a grand daughter. Gertrude Livingston born Aug 1892 in Minnesota, both parents born in Norway. So is she Jenny's or Petra's child? If you could locate a birth certificate you could get some more answers.
Carla |
| Tore | In 1910 census of St. Paul I found Arthur C. Smith born in Connecitcut and his wife Lillian born in Norway. Their children are Gertrude and Bradford. In the 1930 census of Minneapolis at the very same original there we can find Hans and Lillian Hansen, we also can find Bradford Smith - 26 y.o. stepson. May this be the answer to our question? |
| Brining | It sure looks like that could be Petra/Lillian. In the 1910 census it says that this is the 2nd marriage for Lillian. Arthur says he has been married 7 years. Lillian says 18 years so I am guessing that her 1st marriage was around 1891 or 1892.
In the 1900 census for Ramsey County there is a 25 year old Lillian Livingston living as a boarder. It says she was single but could mean she was divorced or widowed and the person giving the information to the census taker didn't know. This might be her
There is a birth record for Bradford [url="http://people.mnhs.org/bci/Results.cfm?LNAMESEARCHTYPE=EXACT&LNAME=smith&x=26&y=15&ESOUNDEX=no+soundex&FNAMESEARCHTYPE=EXACT&FNAME=bradford&MMaidenNAMESEARCHTYPE=EXACT&MMaidenNAME=&MMESoundex=no+soundex&FROMYEAR=All&TOYEAR=All&COUNTY=All&ORDERBY=ChildLastName"]Click Here[/url]
Carla |
| Tore | In the 1910 census Gertrude is mentioned as Gertrude L. Smith. In the 1920 census a Gertrude Smith 25 y.o. is living as a logder in Charles Street in Saint Paul. She is mentioned with Norwegian mother while fathers nationality is hard to read. |
| Tore | Minneapolis Tribune Tuesday 2/3/48 page 13:
HANSEN--Lillian P. of 815 E. 21st st. Survived by husband Hans, daughter Mrs. Gertrude Palmer, son, Bradford Smith; 6 grandchildren & 6 great-grandchildren. Services Wed. 1 p.m. Barney Anderson & Son Funeral Home. Interment Lakewood. |
| kjetil | quote:
Originally posted by Tore
Minneapolis Tribune Tuesday 2/3/48 page 13:
HANSEN--Lillian P. of 815 E. 21st st. Survived by husband Hans, daughter Mrs. Gertrude Palmer, son, Bradford Smith; 6 grandchildren & 6 great-grandchildren. Services Wed. 1 p.m. Barney Anderson & Son Funeral Home. Interment Lakewood.
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| kjetil | How to find Petra’s (Lillian’s) granddaughters?
Bradford Smith (Lillian’s son) married Zona Vivian Dale and got three daughters. Patricia, June Audrey and Louis. Bradfor passed away in 1956 only 52 y.o. At that point he had probably been divorced for more than 10 years already. His daughter’s and their mother now with the name Zona Lowthers was in 1949 living in San Diego, Ca. according to ship passanger records (Pearl Habour to San Francisco) from that year. Our next trace is Zona’s death certificate and that is realy waird. A person named Zona V. Lowthers died in Denver, Co. 15. dec. 1993 and another person named Zona D. Lowthers died in Clackamas Cty. Oregon 8 days later. Their age was almost the same since they was born with about one week’s difference.
Lowthers is a rather seldom surename so I wonder if it might be the same person? Can anyone help me to look for obitaries or tell me how I can get the original death certificates? I guess that will be the only way to find the Smith sister’s who is in the range of 68-71 y.o. today and probably still alive.
Kjetil |
| Jo Anne Sadler | Ordering vital records:
http://vitalrec.com/
Also, has links to local GenWeb sites. |