| Looking for Rosenbergs in Norway |
| kathleen | My great-grandfather Carl Edwin Rosenberg (or sometimes spelled Karl Edvin Rosenberg) had 2 sisters - Anna, 1879 and Marie, 1885 - Rosenberg. Their father, Eilert Rosenberg, was a sailor, born 1842. I am looking for anyone related. My great grandfather was born 1883 in Frederikshald. In the 1900 census he is listed as "adopted or raised by foreigners" but church records revealed his parents named. His mother's name was Bernhardine Konstanse Rosenberg, 1857. At one time the family lived at Festningsgata 14. After Bernhardine's name it says: 1857 K Lysekihl Sv. I learned this through typing Eilert Rosenberg's name in a search engine (Google) and came up with a history link mentioning the 1885 census listing. A picture of the home also appears. I have information in Eilert's mother also. Her name is Caren Anna Johnsdtr. Rosenberg and is listed in the 1865 census as having lived at Saugoen in Idd. Eilert had 3 siblings - Johan Peter (Berg) and Laurits (Idd) and Inger Marie (Idd).
Another search back to 1801 found one other Rosenberg: Helje Rosenberg - a Captain in an unamed branch of service. I don't know if he is related or not.
Can anyone suggest help in finding relatives? If these names sound familiar to you I would appreciate your contacting me. I would also like to track the origin of the Rosenberg name.
Thank you.
Kathy |
| Tint | Hi Kathy
I live close to Lysekil and phoned today the one and only Rosenberg living in that town, Sorry to say they wasnt related to you. They wasnt born there and he had a pretty good picture on his own relatives, so I can´t give you a diffrent Christmas present, but they wished you good luck. and so do I. |
| kathleen | Dear Tint,
Thank you for your reply. As you can see, I am new to this and posted your reply as mine. Sorry about that. I hope the reply I am typing now makes it to you.
As it turns out, today I received a letter from what seems to be a relative in Norway. After so much time and research - I am so happy. From the letter, this person says Bernadine's name was Malmberg before she became a Rosenberg. She was from Lysekiel. I wonder if she was born there? Is Malmberg a Swedish name? Other "by marriage" Swedes mentioned is this letter were: Kaisa Maria Nilsson of Dalsland and a Gustaf Andersson, also from Dalsand Sweden. As for the Rosenberg name I am still going to try and find out the origin. Thank you for calling the one Rosenberg you found. I'm sure I will find out so much more once I write back to Norway.
Kathy |
| Brining | Hi quote:
After Bernhardine's name it says: 1857 K Lysekihl Sv.
1857 = year born K = Kone (female) Lyseihl Sv. = where she was born which is Lysekil Sweden. In the 1885 census her daughter Anna was born there in 1879 and the head of the household
1 Anna Malmberg 1829 K Lysekihl E
is a widow who was also born in Lysekil so I am guessing that this could be Bernhardine's mother
Carla |
| kathleen | Carla,
Thank you.
I saw the archives listing her. For some reason I thought she was the property owner and not Berhardine's mother.
Kathy |
| Tint | Glad you got some information from Norway and there is some Malmberg in Lysekil.. Will make some call after Christmas.. |
| kathleen | Thank you Tint.
Today I received another letter enclosing a family list. They are from Halden, Norway. Thank you for making calls.
Merry Christmas!!
Kathy |
| Brining | Hi I just found the records for Anna [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=If01001812&gardpostnr=522&personpostnr=522&merk=522#ovre"]Click Here[/url] and Bernhardine [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=If01001812&gardpostnr=13553&personpostnr=13553&merk=13553#ovre"]Click Here[/url] moving into Østfold. In case you don't already have the info it looks like they lived on the Sauøya farm.
Carla |
| kathleen | Carla, thanks but when I try to click onto the links you sent there's a message saying the site is unavailable. I will try again later. Is this relating to Anna Malmberg and Bernhardine moving from Sweden to Norway?
Thanks again.
Kathy |
| Brining | Hi The Digitalarkivet must be down right now. There is a record for each one, can't remember the years. When you get to the page be sure an scroll down since there is more detailed information listed.
Carla |
| kathleen | Thank you.
However, I don't see much detailed information when I scroll down. I see where a farm name is listed, their names, etc. - what else is there? Can you understand Norwegian? |
| Tint | Flytta frå=moving from , Lysekil, Tollvaktmesterenke= widdow to a customs officer
Flytta til=moving to, Halden
Døypestad=The place where she was baptize,
Født og konf 1846 i Lysekil. E= born and cornfirmation
Stilling/stand "e"= marital status, e stands for widdow
Kjønn=sex and k is for female
Berhardina was born and baptize in Lysekil and she moved to Idd
uberyktet= her reputation was good.. ( I think that word refer to)
have I forgot something importent, just ask again... |
| kathleen | Dear Tint,
Thanks so much and I do have a few more questions. To summarize: Bernadine moved from Lysekil, Sweden to Halden when she was a widow - previously married to a customs officer. I suppose his last name was "Konstanse"? Is that Swedish or German, etc.? Is Malmberg a Swedish name? In some documents Konstanse is not mentioned. Did she come here with her mother Anna? Was she a Norwegian or Swedish citizen?
Can you check under Anna's information also and tell me what that says? Anna Juliane was her mother but who was her father? Wouldn't that information be provided also?
Whatever you can tell me Tint, I would appreciate.
Thank you,
Kathy |
| Tint | Hi Kathy..
It's not so smart of me to be on the computer and at the same time fixing lunch..ha ha.. when I read my text now I can see that I forgot something very important.. The first text is about Anna, the info on her end when Berhardina Konstantia name come up..(both her names are first name)
Berhardina move from Lysekil to Idde/ in Norway, Take a look on this map from Norway, on the left side almost at the bottom you will find the name Østfold, click on that and you will see the area Anna and Berhardina lived in, It's on the right side of the map and at the bottom. http://digitalarkivet.no/norkart/ Both was born in Sweden Lysekil and moved to Norway. Sweden and Norway was a union for 90 year and come to an end in 1905. I would say they was citizen of Norway but had a Swedish King.. In your first note you type "adopted or raised by foreigners" I would say they was looked on as foreigners. I'm not sure how things was working when they made a registration in Norway but if they did it at the same time don't you think that there serial number should have been close? Perhaps someone else could help you with that..
Malmberg could be a Swedish surename.
To find Berhardina Konstantia Malmberg's, father who was that custom officer we have to digg some more here in Sweden, perhaps its time to spend some houre in our library.. I like the smell of books.. "smile" |
| kathleen | Tint,
Thank you for the information and for the map. I think you're right about trying the Swedish records. I have logged on before but didn't want to get off course of my great-grandfather (first things first) and the language barrier is a problem.
The reason why I mention the "adopted" information is because my father said he always heard Karl Edvin may have been adopted but wasn't sure. If you bring up the 1900 census on Digital Archives and type in C Rosenberg he does appear with that notation next to him. But he was 17 or 18 at the time. Maybe he left his home and was boarding someplace else in anticipation of leaving for the U.S. Who knows? It sound strange to me but I'd like to find out.
Is there a similar link for the Swedish records?
Thanks again.
Kathy |
| Tint | Kathy,
Havn't forgot you, still wait on some material here. There is a lot of Swedish material but its spread out so there is one thing you need real bad, and thats time. Wish they could do something similar like our neighbour country Norway and put information on the web. You will hear more from me when I got some info.. Tint |
| kathleen | Hi Tint,
Thank you.
You're right. I have gone on the internet looking under Swedish archives and have found it more difficult than the Norwegian site considering the language barrier too. Whenever you get the time, I'll watch for your reply.
Do you ever have trouble getting onto this site (Norway Heritage)? I have frequently.
Thanks, Kathy |
| Tint | Hi Kathy,
No, don't have any problem at all.. but if you want, you can use my email:
it_will_come@hotmail.com
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| kathleen | Tint, thank you again.
I got on tonight with no trouble. I am now going to try and search those troublesome Swedish records again. You never know, I may just get lucky. Stay in touch.
Kathy |
| Tint | Hi Kathy, the books I’ve been reading didn’t give any information about any custom officer Malmberg and I made some phone calls, still waiting for replay on two of them. Most of the people I’ve been talking with have been so young and almost no interest in the “old days”
Anita |
| kathleen | Hi Anita,
Thanks for checking. I don't know if I will ever find out about Malmbergs but I am in touch with Rosenbergs in Norway. If you hear anymore, please let me know.
Kathy
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| kathleen | Hi, if you can help I would appreciate any information ....
Further research suggests that Lauritz Rosenberg was a border patrol officer in Norway / Sweeden. Do you have any information on him. I hear from some family members that he was "a somebody" in his day and quite a character. Information was to be sent to me but was to be translated in English which never arrived.
Lauritz was the brother of Eilert Rosenberg. Eilert immigrated to the U.S. but Lauritz stayed in Norway. Thank you for your help. |