'Johansen Holt' family to NZ/Sylvia Murch in Oz
NearNorsewoodI have been trying to find info regarding a family that emigrated from Norway to New Zealand, probably sometime around the 1870s or later. Here is what I have: I assume that 'Johansen Holt' is the father's name. I don't know his first name or his wife's first or last name. Their children's names in New Zealand were Michael (probably from Mikkel or similar), Ludvic/Ludvig, Martin Joseph, John (probably Johan), Oline, Sina. There may have been others. Michael, Ludvig, and Oline were older than Martin. John was probably older than Martin. John emigrated to the USA. He always signed his letters (from the USA) as John Johansen-Holt. Martin came to New Zealand at age 11 with his sister, Oline. It is not clear whether she was married at that time, but she married Norwegian lay minister Edward (Edvard) Nielsen who left Sor-Odal in 1874 bound for Auckland, New Zealand. Martin lived with the Nielsens (suggesting Oline and Edvard were already married) until his parents and older siblings emigrated. Edvard Nielsen was born Rakkestad, Norway, 1842. Martin Joseph Johansen Holt married Anne Louisa Amundsen (who emigrated to NZ aged 3 years aboard 1872 Høvding), daughter of Amund Amundsen. They had 3 children, Michael (b. 6/Jun/1891), Effie Grace (b. 6/Jun/1894), and Sylvia Henrietta Johansen Holt. Sylvia Johansen Holt was born 1897 (probably in April) in New Zealand. Her married name was Murch. Husband's first name unknown. Her husband died in 1963. Sylvia Murch (now deceased) and husband were living in Australia prior to 1958. She was living there again in 1970 when her address was 35 Guinness Street Everton Park Brisbane Australia Here is was I need: (1) the full names and birth dates/places of the 'Johansen Holt' parents; (2) Names (at birth) and birth dates/places for as many 'Johansen Holt' children as possible; (3) Emigration records for each family member; (4) Emigration records for Edvard Nielsen (was he married when he emigrated?); (5) Info on husband/children of Sylvia Henrietta Murch, nee 'Johansen Holt'; and (6) Date and place of death for Sylvia Murch. Thanks.
jwiborgHi, Missionary Edvard Nilsen (31 yrs) and wife Oline Nilsen (22 yrs) and son Paulus J. S. Nilsen ( 1 1/4 yrs) (ie 15 months old) left Oslo, Norway on April 23rd, 1874: [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=EMIOSLO&gardpostnr=31013&personpostnr=31013#nedre"]click here[/url] Listed together with them are Sina Johannesen, daughter, 9 yrs old Anne Torp, daughter, 11.5 years old I'm not sure who's daughter's they are, could Sina be Oline's sister? //Jan P.
jwiborgHi, what about this family from the norwegian 1865-census??? [:)] 1865-census for Vang municipality, Hedmark county, Norway: Farmname: Gaalaas øvre Johannes Johansen, housefather, farmer/cotter, married, 46 yrs old Sedsel Olsdatter, his wife, married, 42 yrs old Johannes Johansen, their son, not married, 16 yrs old Oline Johansdatter, their daughter, not married, 14 yrs old Marte Johannesdatter, their daughter, not married, 6 yrs old Mikkel Johansen, their son, not married, 4 yrs old Sina Johansdatter, their daughter, not married, 2 yrs old Place of birth for all is Vang parish, Hedmark [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f60414.wc2&gardpostnr=530&personpostnr=3067#nedre"]click here for 1865-census[/url] Vang is since 1992 a part of Hamar municipality. Sør-Odal is also in Hedmark county, just south of Vang/Hamar. I would guess that "Holt" comes from a farm name, and that the family must have lived on that farm. Maybe Johannes Johansen sold Gaalaas øvre and moved to a farm called Holt? There are several farms in the area called Holt, hovever none in Sør-Odal/Vang, as far as I could see. But there are Holt farms in Stange, Nordre Odalen, Vinger and Grue, all in Hedmark county. [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f60102.wc2&gardpostnr=265&personpostnr=2727#nedre"]This[/url] must be Edvard in census-1865. //Jan Peter
NearNorsewoodThank you, Jan. This is really helpful. I had spent hours at Digitalarkivet and still couldn't find them! This certainly looks like them. Yes, Oline and Sina were sisters. I cannot understand why Martin is not with them, as he was meant to have come to NZ with Oline. Now I know the details of the voyage I may be able to find them on archived passenger lists held in NZ, but only if there were assisted immigrants on board.
jwiborgHi again, a parent search at [url="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp"]Familysearch.org[/url] gives us these children to Father: JOHANNES JOHANNESSEN and Mother: SEDSEL OLSDR: 1. Johannes Johansen Christening: 17 FEB 1850 Furnes, Hedmark, Norway 2. Oline Johansen Christening: 07 MAR 1852 Furnes, Hedmark, Norway 3. Mikkel Johansen Christening: 06 NOV 1853 Furnes, Hedmark, Norway 4. Martin Johansen Christening: 22 MAR 1857 Furnes, Hedmark, Norway 5. Marte Johansen Christening: 15 APR 1860 Furnes, Hedmark, Norway 6. Mikkel Johansen Christening: 08 MAR 1863 Furnes, Hedmark, Norway 7. Sina Johansen Christening: 26 FEB 1865 Furnes, Hedmark, Norway 8. Martin Johansen Birth: 05 OCT 1866 Furnes, Hedmark, Norway Death: 1866 There are two boys named Mikkel, and two named Martin, which could indicate that the first one died young. However, something is strange, because I would then assume that it's #4 Martin who died in 1866, and that #8 Martin was born after #4 died. It was very common to name the newborn child after the one who died. The infant mortality rate was high. #3 Mikkel is not in census 1865, and could also be dead. Or he could be working at a nearby farm, and thus be listed on that farm in the census. [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=EMIOSLO&gardpostnr=11855&personpostnr=11855#nedre"]This[/url] could be their brother John emigrating to the US in 1869. Occupation: tanner //Jan
NearNorsewoodWow, we're getting somewhere! Thank you. I have burial records for : SANNA (SEDSEL) JOHANSEN, d. 23/11/1899, age 75Y http://www.pncc.govt.nz/Council/Services/CemeteriesDatabase.htm?Search=Simple&CemeteriesID=480401 (dates agree with birth year at NHDC, see http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0414&kenr=005&bnr=0050&lnr=000) JOHANNA [sic] JOHANSEN (who is male), d. 27/01/1906, age 86Y. http://www.pncc.govt.nz/Council/Services/CemeteriesDatabase.htm?Search=Simple&CemeteriesID=480399 (dates agree with birth year at NHDC, as above) MARTIN JOSEPH JOHANSEN, d. 13/04/1947, age 80Y http://www.pncc.govt.nz/Council/Services/CemeteriesDatabase.htm?Search=Simple&CemeteriesID=480400 (dates agree within 1 year) ANNIE LOUISE (AMUNDSEN) JOHANSEN (Martin's wife), d. 22/12/1952, age 82Y http://www.pncc.govt.nz/Council/Services/CemeteriesDatabase.htm?Search=Simple&CemeteriesID=480404 (she was 3 in 1872, so dates agree within 1 year) Also have burial records for Edward and Oline Nielsen, and son Paulus (all at same cemetery as above). There are others who could be family members, but need more dates to check. I'm going to try to find emigrant info for JOHANNES JOHANNESSEN and SEDSEL OLSDR and children michael and Ludvig who emigrated after 1874 (probably shortly after). Martin Johansen married Anne Amundsen in New Zealand in 1890, so it was definitely before that. Do you think it is possible they emigrated from somewhere other than Oslo. If so, where do you suggest?
NearNorsewoodHave also found emigration record for Marthea Johannesen http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=EMIOSLO&gardpostnr=31003. This is same ship & date as the Nielsens emigrated on.
jwiborgHi, Wow, there's no doubt that this must be the correct family!! [;)] I think we then can conclude that it's #4 Martin who died in 1866, and that it's #8 Martin who went to NZ. Fyi... to find a persons birthyear from the 1865-census, most of the time it will be correct if you "calculate" from 1866. So if a person is 16 years in the census, he is most likely born in (1866-16) = 1850. That will work for I would say 90% of the census, but not everybody knew how old they were... [:)] what about this brother Ludvig? No tracks of him so far... /Jan
NearNorsewoodHi, Jan. Yes, it certainly looks like the right people. Fortunately, the cemetery is in my home town, so I can take a look at the gravemarkers for more clues. I have found a Ludvig Johansen, but I'm not sure the dates are right. Also Michael Johansen, but I'm sure the dates are wrong. I have had no luck finding the emigration record for Johanne and Sedsel Johansen and the rest of the family at Digitalarkivet.