Torison/Torrison
LindyjaySearching for great uncles: Adolf/Adolph left Christiana on S/S Rollo Sept. 8, 1882 to Hull, England...where did he go from there? Ole/Olaf departed Christiana on S/S Angelo on Sept l5, 1882 to Hull, England...were did he go from there? Peter/Petter departed Christiana on July 4, 1885 - which ship to Hull and where did he go from there? You helped me before with Edvart/Edward departing Christiana on June 25, 1886 to Hull, then Geramic to NY arriving July 10, 1886. Thank you, Lindy Wise
HopkinsAdolph Tørris. stated intention to go to "Dorchester" - http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=emikra1&gardpostnr=59908&sokefelt=skjul Ole stated intention to go to Chicago - http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=emikra1&gardpostnr=60173&sokefelt=skjul Petter stated intention to go to "Marinette" - http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=EMIOSLO&gardpostnr=70473&sokefelt=skjul
LindyjayThank you for your reply. Next I'll have to find connecting lines from Liverpool to USA for Petter and Ole and to Dorchester for Adolf. Thanks again
Jo Anne SadlerThe final destination on the police protocols was not necessarily the first port of entry into North America. Recommend you research the shipping lines/agents on this site. The link indicates the line or agent and shows the routes for the appropriate years. Adolph's line was F.E. Blickfeldt, an agent for the American Line. Ole's line was A. Scharpe, an agent for the Allan Line. A very good possibility is that they arrived at the Port of Philadelphia. These passenger list microfilms can be rented at a local Family History Center. Since this was steamship travel, generally the trip would take about two weeks total. Petter's line lists Kristiania[?]. I did find a Peter Torison, age 23, from Norway, arriving from Slettin, German to the Port of New York on July 25, 1885 on the German steamer Katie, destination United States. There is some information on this site about the Katie.
LindyjayThank you for your reply. Our local LDS was severely damaged by our latest hurricane and will be out of service for at least a year, but there is another one in a town 2 hours drive from here. I will go there to look up ship arrivals to Philadelphia. Wish me luck!
HopkinsCheck at your local public library too. Sometimes they offer access to the records of Ancestry.com -- a place where I've seen quite a number of Philadelphia arrivals indexed.
LindyjayOur local library does have Ancestry.com in the genealogy department. I'll try that tomorrow. Thanks again.
Jo Anne SadlerHi, I have that Ancestry.com subscription. Unfortuately, the Philadephia index/lists do not start until 1883[xx(].
LindyjayOh, my - and where do I go from here? Also, on the above Adolph shown leaving Christiania in September 1882 with destination "Dorchester". Altho Dorchester is not a port of entry, was it a common destination for Norwegians? I cannot find a Dorchester on any of my maps. I will check the Philadelphia arrivals, maybe we can follow him that far. Thanks again. Lindy Wise
Jo Anne SadlerThis probably means Dorchester, England but it is inland and doesn't seem to be a port. It is located on the south coast, east of Southhampton on the English Channel. He may have taken an off route for some reason or another, convenience, timing, price. From Dorchester he could have taken a train to Liverpool. The police protocols are not consistent, sometimes they list Hull or Newcastle, sometimes the final port in North America or sometimes the final, final destination. When you are able to access microfilms, the Philadelphia lists are indexed so you can check them first.
jwiborgHi, by looking at other people emigrating from the same harbour with destination "Dorchester", you'll see that some of them are listed as going to "Dorchester, Wis" or "Dorchester, Iowa", so he probably went to Wisconsin or Iowa... [:)] Dorchester in Wisconsin is in Clark county. Dorchester in Iowa is in Allamakee county. And as for Petter above, Marinette is most likely Marinette in Marinette county, Wisconsin. Jan Peter
DALBI did not find Adolph, but possibly these entries could be your Peter and Ole. The Marinette given as Peter's destination could be in Marinette County, in north eastern Wisconsin. It is on Green Bay. Porterfield is a short distance from there. His fare was prepaid, so I assume it may have been paid for by a relative. On the 1900 Wisconsin census - in Porterfield, Marinette, Wisconsin are: Image 18 of 20 ED 124 - sheet 9 Ole Torison b. Jan 1856 age 44 marr 13 years - emig 1883 Anna O b. Apr 1868 age 32 marr 13 years - 7 children with 6 living - born in Sweden - 6 children born from 1888 to 1899 Ole is Jobber in forest products. Image 13 of 20 ED 124 sheet 7 (in the index he is listed as Peter Toran) Peter Torison Mar 1866 34 single emig 1885 15yrs NA Peter is a farmer.
LindyjayI should have mentioned earlier that we know of Ole and Peter in McAllister, Wisconsin. Peter died in 1908, was married with no children. Ole died in 1933, married and his wife died a day after giving birth to their 10th child, she was 41 years old. We spent some time with Ole's grandson this past July. First we had met that family. My want now is to find ship manifests where these two men came to the USA. Ole was in Wisconsin first and presume he sent for Peter. Adolph hasn't surfaced yet, nor has my gr/grandfather, Edvard. Searching ship manifest for Adolph, but know that Edvard came to NY Harbor on Germanic in 1886, but no idea where he settled. Is it possible to access Wisconsin census from my home comptuer? Thanks
LindyjayThanks for your help. Located the ship manifest for Peter today on Ancestry.com. Also have ALMOST located Adolph in Clark County, Wisconsin. The 1900 census list his wife as head of household with 5 children listed, the youngest being born in 1892. Presume Adolph died between 1892 and 1900. Will keep looking. Thanks
LindyjayFinding out more. Seems that Adolph's wife, looks like her name was Searcy, born July 1854 and son Casper, born May 1881 emmigrated from Norway in 1883. Can you help me find the name of the ship? Thanks again
HopkinsI gave you a link to his emigration record on the 25th of this month, listed above. The name of the ship he left Norway on is included in that entry.
LindyjayYes, I did get your reply on Adolph who emmigrated in Sept 1882. It seems his wife and young son came over here in 1883. It is difficult to read the 1900 census record but it looks like her is Searcy and the boy's name as Casper. Thanks again.
LindyjayI've learned more since my last entry. Casper was born in 1881 in Norway and he and his mother immigrated to USA in 1883. Her name was Cary, she was born in 1858 in Norway. Can you help me find the name of the ship and the date when they left Norway.
BriningHere is Kari and Kasper leaving Norway in 1884 on the Hero[url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=EMIOSLO&gardpostnr=60189&merk=60189#ovre"]Click Here[/url] No month is given in the for the departure date. Here are the 1884 departures [url="http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_route.asp?ro=w25"]click here[/url] Carla
LindyjayThank you, thank you!!! That gives me more to search. Surely appreciate all of your help.
Jo Anne SadlerI found Kasper & Kari[:p]. They arrived at the Port of Philadephia on January 7, 1885 aboard the Lord Clive from Liverpool. Kari Kristensen, 28, wife, from Norway Kasper Kristensen, 3, child, from Norway Only 55 passengers (6 Norwegians). From the internet (not verified): Steamship LORD CLIVE, built by R. & J. Evans, Liverpool (engines by G. Forrester & Co, Liverpool), for G. M. Papayanni, Liverpool. 3,386 tons; 116,12 x 12,19 meters (381 x 40.1 feet; length x beam), straight bow, 1 funnel, 4 masts; iron construction, screw propulsion, service speed 12 knots. 28 October 1871, launched. 15 September 1872, first voyage, for the Dominion Line (chartered), Liverpool-Quebec-Montreal. 7 November 1872, first voyage, Liverpool-Boston-Portland. 9 July 1873, last voyage, Liverpool-Boston. September 1873, first voyage, for G. M. Papayanni, Liverpool-Boston. 15 December 1875, first voyage, for the American Line (chartered), Liverpool-Philadelphia. 1888, bought by the Lord Clive Steamship Co (American Line); British flag. 27 September 1893, last voyage, Liverpool-Philadelphia. 1896, purchased by Gastaldi & Co., Genoa, and renamed CLIVE (British flag). 8 November 1896, first voyage, for the Furness Line (chartered), New York-Naples-Genoa. 1 March 1897, last voyage, Leghorn-Genoa-Naples-New York (3 roundtrip voyages; rights to New York-Mediterranean service sold to the Prince Line). April 1898, scrapped. They would have been processed for immigration down river aboard ship or at the Lazaretto Island quarantine station. The train station was right at the docks so they would have just gotten on a train to their final destination.
LindyjayThanks so much for your help. That pretty much finishes the Torrison brothers on your side of the ocean. Now just need to find the ships that Ole and Peter came here on, then make a positive connection to Adolph and Cary in Wisconsin. Your efforts are greatly appreciated. Lindy Wise
LindyjaySearching for Thedore Torrison/Torson arriving in New York Harbor on May 31, 1890 S/S Werkerdam - age 12. Is he Adolph's son? Thank you.
BriningHi The Werkendam was part of the Holland America line and mainly sailed out of Rotterdam. [url="http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/hollandam.html"]Click Here[/url] Does the passenger list state that Theodore is Norwegian? I don't think Rotterdam would be a common port for Norwegian's to sail out of. Carla
Jo Anne SadlerThere is more information on the Werkendam on this site!!
LindyjayTheodor Thoresen arrived in New York on May 31, 1890 aboard the Werkendam from Amsterdam, Netherlands. He was born in 1878, age 12 and a native of Norway. Trying to find the ship register where he left Norway and prove him to be the son of Adolph Torrison. Thanks
LindyjayTrying to find passenger records for Peter Torrison age 23. Peter came into New York Harbor from Slettin, Germany on Steamer Kati on July 25, 1885. I can't find Slettin on my maps. Did he sail out of Fredikstad? Theodore Torrison arrived New York Harbor on May 31, 1890 as a boy of 12. Native of Norway, arrived on the S/S Werkendam from Amsterdam, Netherlands. Looking for passenger records for him, also. Did he leave Norway via Fredikstad? Thanks again.
BriningHi KÄTIE/KATIE sailed out of Stetten Germany. [url="http://www.geocities.com/mppraetorius/com-ka.htm"]Click Here[/url] for more information on the ship. Carla
BriningTheodor Thoresen sailed out of Fredrikstad [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=FREDRIKS&gardpostnr=91&merk=91#ovre"]Click Here[/url] Carla
LindyjayThank you, Carla. Theodore Thoresen arrived in New York Harbor on May 31, 1890 from Amsterdam, Netherlands on the Ship Werkendam. I have that ship manifest. Am I correct in thinking he went from Fredikstad on the Ship Kristiania to Amsterdam, then from Amsterdam, Netherlands then boarded the Werkendam for New York? Where can I find a picture of the Werkendam? What does "dreng" mean? Also what does "frakt" mean? Then Peter Thoreson came into New York Harbor on July 25, 1885 on Ship Katie. Am I thinking correctly the Katie originated in Stettin, Germany (now Szizecin, Poland) and he boarded the ship in Fredikstad?
LindyjayI think I've been tracking the wrong Theodore Torrison. The one I'm looking for was born out of wedlock in Ytre Rendal on 17 April 1878 and named Karl Helmer Theodor, mother Kari Kristensd Skjarbakken, born 1858. The first I find him is in the 1910 census in Montana, he probably came here in the early 1900's. He has been difficult to find, not knowing what name he used to come over. Here is was known as Theodore Torrison. Thanks
ninakarlsSo this is his birth/christening record: 1878 070778 170478 Karl Helmer Theodor U M Ungk. Auden Ols. Hangaard Pige Kari Kristensd. Skjærbækken 1858 K: Døbt i Osen Trysil. Daaben udf. i Trysil ifl. Skr. fra Sognepr. Støren af 190878. Anmeldt af Barnets moder. Mother in 1875 census? http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f70432.wc2&gardpostnr=42&personpostnr=347&merk=347#ovre Have you tried to look them up in the rural chronicles for Trysil or Rendalen?
LindyjayThank you. As I understand it..Karl Helmer Theodor was born to Mother Kari Kristensd and father Auden Ols. Hangaard - they were not married. No, I haven't tried to look them up in the rural chronicles for Trysil or Rendalen, can you give me instrucitons on that? Kari had another son, Kasper born in 1881 with a different father. Kasper emigrated with Kari in 1884. Can I find what name Karl Helmer Theodor used when he emigrated? Thank you
LindyjayMore information came to me..."it seems like Karl Helmer Theodor born 17.04.1878 left Norway for America 28.10.1887 together with his grandmother Kari Halvorsdatter Skjaerbekken and her second husband Nils Gudmundsen on the ship Rollo. Their destination was Brainerd, Minnesota. He left by the name of Karl HT Oiesen". Could this be the same person who was Theodore Torrison over here? He was born to Kari Kristensd, who left Norway 19 Dec 1884 with her son Kasper, came here and married Adolph Torrison in Wisconsin in February 1885. It is more complicated. Thanks again.