1865 Census: Sjur Knudsen family
skbristol I usually do a pretty good job finding people in the online census database, but this family really has me stumped. I can't figure out what happened to them. I'd appreciate the help if anyone has the time to help me look. Here's what I know. Dal farm, Tysvær, Rogaland: Sjur Knutsen gm Ragbhild Olsdt budde her i 1820-30 ara a) Ole b. 1825 b) Knut b. 1831 c) Guro Kristine b. 1834 d) Brita Serine b. 1837. On 22 JUN 1848, the family reported moving to Time. Listed are Sjur Knudsen, 70; Ragnille Olsdatter, 49; Guri Christine, baptized 1 JUN 1834; and Brithe Serine, baptized 23 JUL 1837. NOTE: Knud stayed behind, but moved to Finnaas in 1853, then emigrated to America about 1861. Not sure what happened to Ole. I realize that Sjur would likely have died before 1865, but Ragnille was much younger. But I can't find either her or the girls in 1865 and I'm not sure how else to figure out the farm they moved to in Time. Thanks so much![:I]
Jo Anne SadlerWhere did this information come from? Where is Time and Finnaas. In Rogaland?
skbristol Sorry for the incomplete information. I believe Time and Finnaas are both in Hordaland. The info about Dal farm is from the Tysvær bygdebøk and the info about where the family moved is from parish records. Thanks, Sara
hastoTime is in Rogaland, south of Stavanger. I think I have found that Guri Kristine 1867 married in Utsira parish, and that Ole perhaps is on Bustø in Tysvær in 1865 census. From LDS IGI church records: OLE Birth: 04 FEB 1825 Father: SJUR KNUDSEN Mother: RAGNILLA OLSDR LDS IGI Batch No: C421481 Knud Christening: 27 MAR 1831 Tysvaer, Rogaland, Norway Father: Sjur Knudsen Mother: Rngna Olsdatter LDS IGI Batch No: C421484 Sjur Christening: 19 FEB 1832 Tysvaer, Rogaland, Father: Sjur Knudsen Mother: Berthe Isacksdatter Gurra Kistine Christening: 01 JUN 1834 Tysvaer, Rogaland, Father: Sjur Knudsen Mother: Ragnelle Olsdatter From LDS IGI "submitted by a member" GURI Birth: 29 APR 1834 Christening: 01 JUN 1834 Tysvaer, Rogaland, Father: SIVERT Batch Number: 7032006 GURI KRISTINE Spouse: DANIEL JOHNSEN Marriage: 10 NOV 1867 Utsira, Rogaland, Norway Batch Number: 7032006 LDS IGI church records: DANIEL MARTHIN Birth: 14 AUG 1868 Christening: 04 OCT 1868 Utsira, Rogaland, Father: DANIEL JOHNSEN Mother: GIRI KISTINE SIVERTSDR [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=STAV&gardpostnr=9795&merk=9795#ovre"]emigrant in 1886[/url] Stavanger 1886 D0707 KB FOR UTSIRA Daniel Martin Vegner Danielsen M 1868 1886 Utsira NORGE 1 R S.T.DANIEL JOHNSEN NORDVIG OG GURINE KRISTINE SIVERT JOHAN Birth: 11 JAN 1871 Christening: 22 APR 1871 Utsira, Rogaland, Father: DANIEL JOHNSEN Mother: GURINE KISTINE SIVERTSDR ANE RAGNHILDE Birth: 07 JUL 1874 Christening: 09 AUG 1874 Utsira, Rogaland, Father: DANIEL JOHNSEN Mother: GURO KISTINE SIVERTSDR [url="9705 Stavanger 1898 D0617 KB FOR UTSIRA Anne Ragnhilde Berthea Vegner Danielsen K 1874 1898 Utsira NORGE"]emigrant 1898[/url] Perhaps this is your Ole Sjursen, when he is listed as 41, he should be born 1825: [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f61146&gardpostnr=342&personpostnr=1924&merk=1924#ovre"]Bustø 1865[/url]
skbristolHarald: Thank you so much! I believe this is the correct Guro Kristine. It's frustrating that I can't find her in the census, but everything else seems to indicate this is a very solid lead. I'll try to find her marriage record in the kirkebøker to see if it has more details about her parents to confirm this is the right girl. You've also found a strong lead for Ole. I think I'd found this one before, but I found that Oline Olsdatter was too old to be the same as Ragnille Olsdatter -- but now I see that Oline was his wife's mother, so I will also see if I can find a church record to help verify this connection. I can't get the "emigrant 1898" link to work. Did you find that Ane Ragnilde emigrated to America? About the LDS IGI records you found -- are those online somewhere? Thanks, Sara
hastoI'll make a new try with the link [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=STAV&gardpostnr=9705&merk=9705#ovre"]1898 emigrant[/url] The text was: 9705 Stavanger 1898 D0617 KB FOR UTSIRA Anne Ragnhilde Berthea Vegner Danielsen K 1874 1898 Utsira NORGE 1 R The source of this information should be Utsira church records (utflyttede) The Familysearch records are online. The church records are usually correct, the "submitted" records may give more information, but they are like bygdebooks, some times they have got something wrong. [url="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/individual_record.asp?recid=500223183696&lds=1®ion=12®ionfriendly=Norway&juris1=Norw9Roga&juris2=Roga&juris3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=Rogaland&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly="]Utsira 1868[/url] [url="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/individual_record.asp?recid=100256612450&lds=1®ion=12®ionfriendly=Norway&juris1=Norw9Roga&juris2=Roga&juris3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=Rogaland&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly="]Tysvær 1834[/url]
Jo Anne Sadlerwww.familysearch.org [:D]
hastoProbably your Brita Serine in [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f61106.wc2&gardpostnr=57&personpostnr=770&merk=770#ovre"]Haugesund 1865[/url]
skbristol Wow, thank you again. The new links do work. Thanks for the tip on Brita Serine too. I searched the 1875 records and found a woman in Haugesund, born in Tysvær, named Berthe Sjursdatter. She is likely the same woman you found -- with a very different spelling -- in 1865. You were much more creative with spelling variations than I had been, as well as extending your search to different locations. I was putting too much stock in the notion that the family had moved to Time. I'm glad I asked for help. Thanks so much for taking the time to search for me.