| Ole Jonsen, Vale in Telemark | |
| Daniel F | Hi I wan to know all about this man: Ole Jonsen, Vale in Telemark. He was born in 1784. He was married in 1807, with Anne Maria Jensdtr. Brenne . He moved to America in 1843. I wan to know witch ship he was on. Where in America he moved to? When he died? And all other facts you can find Does anyone have something? |
| Hopkins | Did he come from Holla area of Telemark? Farm Vale spelled as Hvale in the 1801 census. He appears in the 1850 US census in Walworth County, Wisconsin (Sugar Creek township). http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=US1850&gardpostnr=9251&sokefelt=skjul His wife does NOT match what you have proposed - but notice the mention of Brenne in the notation for her line of the 1850 census database. In the information from Norway known as "Emigrant kartotek Telemark frem til År 1900" the family leaving is listed as: Ole Johnsen Wale (60), wife Anne Andersdatter (58), children - Anders (15/12/1822), Anne (15/12/1822), Andrea (3/11/1820) and the family is listed as from Holla leaving Telemark in 1844. I believe he is still living at the time of the 1860 US census in Sugar Creek. He is listed as 76 yrs old in that census, appears to be a widower. That census also indicates an Andrew Johnson who might be Ole's son 'Anders' (one of the twins listed below). This Andrew Johnson lived in Richmond township of Walworth County, is listed as 38 yrs old and born in Norway. I don't see Ole listed in the 1870 US census in Walworth County so perhaps he died between 1860 and 1870. There is a story by another early Telemark emigrant who settled in Walworth County, Wisconsin which has been put online and MIGHT help track the general route the family may have travelled. http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/N/NOR-OPPLAND+2004+10642269595+F Walworth County appears to have a fairly active website on Rootsweb - http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwalwor/ |
| Jo Anne Sadler | Here they are on Norway Heritage, emigrating on May 2, 1844 from Porsgrunn on the bark Salvator, arriving New York city on May 5, 1844, starting with #46. http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=1639 No formal immigration processing at that time, a medical check aboard ship, turn in a customs declaration and they would be on their way. The only route to the midwest at that time would have been a boat up the Hudson River to Albany to board a canal boat on the Erie Canal, a trip of 6-10 days. It would have taken them at least 2 weeks to get to Milwaukee. Couldn't have found them without Hopkins "Wale" info.[:D] |
| Daniel F | Thanks for the replies! Yes he was from Holla area of Telemark I diddent know that Vale spelled as Hvale, thankyou for the corection, i did learn something new! |
| Daniel F | i have found a image of the ship :[url="http://www.slekt.org/utvandring/salvator.html"]http://www.slekt.org/utvandring/salvator.html[/url] Is there any info and images from Wisconsin (Sugar Creek township). from that time? |
| Daniel F | the list Hopkins posted: http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=US1850&gardpostnr=9251&sokefelt=skjul In that list hes name is Ola and his name was Ole. has he changed name? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- and The "wife problem" with Anne Maria Jensdtr. Brenne and Anne Andersdatter can it be posible that first he had Anne Maria Jensdtr. Brenne and then she died and then he married Anne Andersdatter. Is this posible to find out if this is true or false. |
| Brining | Hi I don't think he changed his name to Ola. The passenger lists can be hard to read so it could be that his name looked like Ola. Anne Andersdatter could be his 2nd wife or who ever added the notes to the census could have had the wrong name. Could her father's name have been Jens Andersen and who ever made the note assumed Andersdatter to be her last name. Carla |
| Langkås | Good research here by those replying to Daniel. Actually Ole only married once, and that was to Anne Andersdtr. They were married on 3 Sept. 1807 in Holla. The parish record reads "Uk. Ole Jonsson Vahle, E. Anne Andersd. Brenne. Caut: Sivert Brenne, Halvor Vahle." As you can see from this record, Anne was married before, (E. = enke, or widow) Anne married Ole Larsen Brenne on 16 Oct. 1806 in Holla. Anne is the daughter of Anders Andersen and Aaste Kittilsdtr. living on the farm Lunde nedre in Holla. I have a fair amount of information on Ole if you wish to reply to me directly. My e-mail is langkaas_brian@hotmail.com |
| Trond | Wale, Ole Johnson, udv. fra Holden Pr. Nedre Telemarken, i 40-Aarene til Whitewater, Wis. Sønnen John Olsen Wale, deltog i Borgerkrigen; gardbr. ved Elf Point, S. Dak., fra 1869. Dennes datter, Mrs. Edward Tollefson, Skolesuperintendent for Union Co., S. Dak., er den første kvinde i Countiet, som har indehavt County-Embede. Wale, Ole Johnson emigrated from lower Telemark in the 40th for Whitewater, Wis. His son John Olsen Wale participated in the civil war; farmer at Elf Point, S. Dak., from 1869. His daughter Mrs. Edward Tollefson, School(Superintendent) for Union Co., S. Dak., is the first woman to have an office for the County. Ref. Nordmænd i Amerika – 2den del, p991 |
| Daniel F | I see that his son John Olsen Wale traveled to Ameica one year beafore the rest of the family. Was it normal to send one family member beafore the whole family traveled? where can i find more information about civil war; farmer at Elf Point, S. Dak., from 1869? |
| Jo Anne Sadler | It was very common for family members to immigrate at different times. Vesterheim has a Norwegian civil war database: http://vesterheim.org/index.php |
| Jo Anne Sadler | Since they were originally from Wisconsin, he may have served in the in the 15th Wisconsin regiment http://www.15thwisconsin.net/ There is alot of good information on this site. |
| Langkås | Ole and Anne followed a son, Jon, and a daughter, Anne Torine who had located in Sugarcreek Twp., Walworth Co. the year before. See below: Son Jon/John Olson Vale was born on the Vale farm in Holla, Prastegjeld, Nedre (lower) Telemark, Norway on May 12, 1818. He immigrated on the "Salvator" with Johan Gasmann as captian. The ship left Porsgrunn on 13 May 1843 and arrived on July 13 in New York. Listed as John Olsen, 25 years old, farmer, 1 chest luggage. He was travelling with his sister Anne Torine, recorded in the ships manifest as Anne Olsen, 27 years old, with 1 chest luggage. (Source: NARA Roll # 57 list 547) Also you can find more about Ole and his family at: John A. Johnson - An Uncommon American" by Agnes M. Larson and published by the Norwegian-American Historical Association (NAHA) in 1969. Norwegian Immigrants to the U.S.- A Biographical Directory volume 2, p. 21 I can send you the information if you wish. |
| Borge | Here is a link to a transcript of the [url="http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=1638"]passenger list, bark Salvator, 1843[/url]. They are lsted as # 131 and 132, below Harald Olsen (Brenne) |
| Daniel F | quote:i would like that! send it to [url="mailto:bir-fah@online.no"]bir-fah@online.no[/url] |
| Jo Anne Sadler | Alot of NAHA publications are online: http://www.naha.stolaf.edu/ Congratulations, Børge, on your 1000th Posting!![:0] |
| Daniel F | Norsk: (Norwegian)
Her er et sammendrag av alle opplysningene jeg har fått, takk for all informasjon! hvis noen finner fakta feil eller skrive feil, kan dere si ifra så teksten blir så korrekt som mulig:
Ole Jonsen Ble født 20. februar i 1784 på Vale.
Hans far var Jon Olsen og hans mor var Marja Bjørnsdtr. Fjelldal.
Han ble gift i 3. september 1807 med Anne Andersdtr. I Holla kirke.
De hadde barna Anders(Andrew Johnson) Anne Andrea og John Olsen
De utvandret til Amerika i mai 1844. da var Ole 60 år, og hans kone 58 år.
Deres ene sønn John(25) og datteren Anne Torine (27) hadde dratt året før på skipet ”Salvator”.
Resten av familien reiste med skipet ”Salvator” fra Porsgrunn 2. mai 1844. På skipet var det 150 passasjerer. Skipets kaptein var Johan Gasmann. De ankom New York City 5. juli 1844. da hadde de vært om bord i 65 dager.
De bosatte seg i bydelen ”Sugar Creek” det ligger i Walworth County i nærheten av byen Whitewater (ca 10 mil nordvest for Chicago), i staten Wisconsin.
Hans sønn, Jon Olsen Wale deltok i den amerikanske borgerkrig.
Ole Jonsen døde mellom 1860 og 1870.
English Here is a summary of all the information i have got. Thanks for all the information! If someone finds a mistake in the information or in the gramar, please say it, so I can correct it. Ole Jonsen was born on the 20 February 1784 at Vale. His father was Jon Olsen and his mother was Marja Bjørnsdtr. Fjelldal. He was married on 3 September 1807 with Anne Andersdtr. I Holla church. Their children were Anders, Anne, Andrea and Jon Olsen. They emigrated to America in May 1844 Ole was 60 years then, and his wife was 58 years old. One of their sons John (25)and their daughter Anne Torine (27)had traveled the year before on the ship “Salvator”. The rest of the family traveled with the ship “Salvator” from Porsgrunn the 2 of May 1844. There were 150 passengers aboard the ship. The captain of the ship was Johan Gasmann. They arrived in New York City on July 5, 1844. They had been at sea for 65 days. They settled in the township “Sugar Creek”, It is in Walworth Country near of the town Whitewater (ca 100 kilometers northwest from Chicago) In the state Wisconsin. His son, Jon Olsen Wale, was in The American Civil war. Ole Jonsen Died between 1860 and 1870. |
| Daniel F | So the summary is 100% corect, since no one has replied? |
| skbristol | I'm not sure what you're looking for in terms of information or questions, but I'll clean up the grammar a bit: Ole Jonsen was born February 20, 1784, at Vale. [Is this a farm? If it is a city or area, say "in Vale."] His father was Jon Olsen and his mother was Marja Bjørnsdtr. Fjelldal. He was married on September 3, 1807, to Anne Andersdtr. at Holla church. Their children were Anders, Anne, Andrea and Jon Olsen. They emigrated to America in May 1844. Ole was 60 years old then, and his wife was 58. Their son John (25) and their daughter Anne Torine (27) traveled the year before on the ship “Salvator.” The rest of the family traveled with the ship “Salvator” from Porsgrunn on May 2, 1844. There were 150 passengers aboard the ship. The captain of the ship was Johan Gasmann. They arrived in New York City on July 5, 1844. They had been at sea for 65 days. They settled in the township of Sugar Creek in Walworth County, Wisconsin, near of the town of Whitewater (about 100 kilometers northwest from Chicago). Ole's son, Jon Olsen Wale, was in the American Civil War *** with Elf Point, South Dakota, from 1869. *** [Not sure what this means. The Civil War was from 1861-65. Did he live at Elf Point after the war?] Ole Jonsen died between 1860 and 1870. |
| Brining | Hi The Vesterheim Museum's Norwegians in the Civil War database has two entries on the son Jon Olson Vale [url="http://vesterheim.org/CivilWar/db/o/ols/008064.html"]Click Here[/url] and [url="http://vesterheim.org/CivilWar/db/o/ols/008058.html"]Click Here[/url] Carla |
| Daniel F | I wanto figure more about his son. here is al i know so far:
Norsk: John Olsen.Bosted: Sugar Creek, Walworth County, Wisconsin. Født “John Olsen Vale” 6 mai 1818 på holla i Telemark. Sønn av Ole Johnsen Vale og Anne Olsdatter Brenne. Han kom til Amerika på skipet “Salvator” som dro fra Porsgrun i Mai og ankom New York i Juli 1843. Han kom til landsbyen ”Sugar creek”, Walworth County. Han ble gift 13 April 1846 med Anne Olsdatter Grønstein (1824-1911). De fikk åtte barn. Han hadde lyst hår, blå øyne og en lys hudfarge. Han deltok i borger krigen i når han var 44 år. Der var han kapelan. Etter krigen flyttet han og hans kone og døttere til en gård i Union County, South Dakota Han døde 6. juli 1890 i en alder av 72. English: John Olsen. Residence: Sugar Creek, Walworth County, Wisconsin. Born as “John Olsen Vale” 6th of may 1818 at Holla area in Telemark. Son of Ole Johnsen and Anne Olsdatter Brenne. He came to America on the ship “Salvator” which leaved Porsgrunn in May and arrived New York in July 1843. He came to the township “Sugar Creek”, Walworth County. He was married on the 13th of April with Anne Olsdatter Grønstein (1824-1911). They got eight kids. He had Blue eyes, light hair and fair complexion. He served in the civil war as Chaplain. After the war he and his wife and his daugthers moved to a farm in Union County, South Dakota. He died 6 July 1890 72 years old. is this corect, and does someone know some more about him? |
| Jo Anne Sadler | Well, you have gotten more information from prior postings than this especially from Brining's 12-20-05 posting with two links to Vesterheim bios. He died in 1890. What exactly do you want to know? Are you trying to find descendants? |
| Daniel F | I write a scool project about ole jonsen and his family. and wantoknow everything about them. |
| Daniel F | is there any information about what a chaplain did under the civil war? |
| Brining | This website should give you some information about Chaplains in the Civil War [url="http://www.p2pezine.com/chaplain.htm"]Click Here[/url] Carla |
| V Rold | My gggrandfather, Ole Kittilson, emigrated with Ole Jonsen on the Salvator, and married Ole's daughter, Andrea, in Sugar Creek, Wisconsin. They had nine children, including my ggrandfather, John. Some history of Sugar Creek can be found at http://www.slekt.org/utvandring/sugar_creek.html |
| Daniel F | quote:Your hyperlink dosent work |
| clawhammerer | I've been looking for more information about this Anders Wale. From the information I've got from family sources it matches up with what's been posted here. Any direction/information would be appreciated.
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| Hopkins | Joshua - What do you mean by more information? What exactly is it that you need to find? The discussion thread here included a great deal of information about his parents, siblings, parish of origin from Telemark, emigration and later place of residence in the US. If you are just looking for 'how-to' instruction to continue research on the earlier family tree information you might start with this website collection - http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/articles.html |