Looking for ship Great Grandmother came over on
TLarsonI'm looking for the ship that my great granmother came over on. Her name was Martha Ensrud when she came and I believe she came in about 1903 or shortly after. I would appreciate any help that anyone can give me! Thanks!
Jo Anne SadlerNo record of her on the ellisisland.org database. You should find her first in the online emigration records on Digitalarkivet: [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebMeta.exe?slag=vismeny&fylkenr=&knr=&aar=&dagens=&katnr=5&alle=true"]Emigration Records[/url] If you know the area in Norway she came from, you can narrow down your search. Her name could have been different, Marthe/Marti and she could have been using her patronomymic name.
HopkinsIt is hard to make an identification without knowing Martha Enrud's age and martial status when she emigrated from Norway. In the database of emigrants leaving from the port of Oslo/Kristiania there is a Martha P. Ensrud leaving on or about 9 Nov 1904 - http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=emikra1&gardpostnr=148625&sokefelt=skjul Does she match your Martha? The family living on one of the Ensrud farms in Gran district of Oppland, Norway in the 1900 census - http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f00534&gardpostnr=63&sokefelt=skjul
jwiborgMarthe Pedersen Enserud (21) from "Graw", arriving Ellis Island on Nov 26, 1904, sailing from Liverpool Nov 16, 1904, with the ship SS Baltic (2) from White Star Line. Maiden voyage Liverpool - New York on June 29,1904. [img]http://ellisisland.org/shipping/shipImages/baltic.jpg[/img] "Graw" is misspelling for Gran, Oppland. She is going to cousin Hans Fredriksen in Watson, Minnesota. Jan Peter
TLarsonThe Ensrud farm could very well be my great-grandmothers farm because she had a brother named Anders and a sister named Marie, but I really have no idea as to what her parents names were, I do however have a picture of her sister Marie standing by a gravestone with the name Ingeborg Ensrud on it, this could possibly be her mother. I know she was born in 1884 in Gran. When she came she was not married and I'm not sure if she went to South Dakota or Minnesota first. So the Martha leaving in 1904 could very possibly be the correct Martha because I'm actually not sure as to whether she came in 1903 or 1904. Thanks for this help, if the other info I've added brings up any ideas to find anything else I would greatly appreciate the help!
jwiborgHi, I don't think there's any doubt that this is the correct Marthe/Martha. [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=Dp05341880a&gardpostnr=456&personpostnr=3543&merk=3543#ovre"]Here[/url] is her christening record. She is born 05-Sep-1883, christened 18-Nov-1883. Parents are Peder Olsen (b.1837) & Karen Olsdatter (b.1847) Godmother Marte Fredriksdatter could be her cousin, a possible sister to cousin Hans Fredriksen in Watson, Minnesota. This [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f00534&gardpostnr=64&personpostnr=416&merk=416#ovre"]Ingeborg Hansdatter Ensrud[/url] looks to be the Ingeborg you're talking about, but I can't see any immediate relation to Marthe, except for the fact that they are neighbours and living on the same Ensrud farm... Jan Peter
Jo Anne SadlerThere is alot of info on this site about the White Star Line and also an article about the maiden voyage of the Baltic: http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_shiplist.asp?co=white
TLarsonI'm quite sure that this is probably my great-grandmother, but the only doubt i have is because the gravemarker by her grave says that she was born in 1884 and the records I have say that she was born on Sept. 5, 1884. Otherwise it looks very promising that it is my great-grandmother. I'll have to ask my grandmother about this also, even though she doesn't know that much about her mothers life in Norway. I also know that my great-grandmothers mother's maiden name was Melaas and I do see that name on the christening record. Thanks for all your help so far, this is just great!
jwiborgThe Godfather (and farmer) Hans Olsen from Melaas farm i Lunner parish (Jevnaker, Oppland) is probably Marthe's uncle (Karin Olsdatter's brother) Karen Olsdatter, christening: 07 FEB 1847, Jevnaker, Oppland, Norway Parents: Ole Hansen & Marte Olsdatter [url="http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/igi/individual_record.asp?recid=100074812995&lds=1®ion=12®ionfriendly=Norway&juris1=Norw9Oppl&juris2=Oppl&juris3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=Oppland&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly="]Click here[/url] Hans Olsen, christening: 19 FEB 1837, Jevnaker, Oppland, Norway Parents: Ole Hansen & Marthe Olsdatter [url="http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/igi/individual_record.asp?recid=100223937717&lds=1®ion=12®ionfriendly=Norway&juris1=Norw9Oppl&juris2=Oppl&juris3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=Oppland&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly="]Click here[/url] So Marthe looks to be named after her grandmother. [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f60532&gardpostnr=669&personpostnr=4155&merk=4155#ovre"]Here[/url] they are in census 1865 on the Melaas farm in Jevnaker. Ole Hansen is a widower. Karen have a sister named Ingeborg, born ca 1842. Could she be the one on the gravestone? She would be Marie and Marthe's aunt... The distance between Melås farm in Lunner and Ensrud farm in Gran is only 6 km (4 miles). Lunner was earlier a part of Jevnaker, but is since 1906 an own muncipality and parish. Jan Peter
TLarsonI just recently found out that there were seven children in my great-granmother's family when i thought there were only three. apparently there were three boys who died young and there was another sister who apparently came to America before my great-grandmother (Martha Ensrud), I believe she died in America, but where she went I don't know. I was wondering if it would be possible to find this other sister in any of the old Norway censuses. I don't know what her name was but I thought maybe she could be found on the family list of the farm where my great-grandmother lived before she came to America. I don't know if finding this information is possilble, but any help would be greatly appreciated! -Tim Larson
jwiborgFrom the databases "christened in Gran 1875-1899" Ole, born 1875, parents Peder Olsen Ensrud & girl Karen Olsdtr Ensrud. Her (Karen) first illegitimate child, his second illegitimate child. Peder also have a child with one Marthe Johannesdatter Brokerud from Jevnaker. Anders, christened 23-jul-1876. Legitimate child, so Peder & Karen must have married 1875-1876. Ole, born 13-jan-1881, christened 27-feb-1881 Marte, born 05-sep-1883, christened 18-nov-1883 Anne Marie, born 24-jun-1885, christened 08-nov-1885 Ingeborg, born 28-feb-1889, christened 14-apr-1889 Jan Peter
TLarsonThanks for that information, but I'm a little bit confused. Are Ole, Anders, Ole, Marte, Anne Marie, and Ingeborg the only children that Peder and Karen had besides the child Peder had with this Marthe Johannesdatter Broderud? Does the Karen Olsdtr Ensrud refer to Peder's wife Karen? And can any information be found about this Marthe Johannesdatter Brokerud? One more question, Is there any way to find the marriage record information for Peder and Karen? Thank you so much for your help! - Tim Larson
jwiborgHi, I'm not saying that this 6 children are the only children Peder & Karen had, but they are the only ones christened in Gran parish between 1875-1907, as far as I could see, at least... The databases are available for online search for free at [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebFront.exe?slag=vis&tekst=meldingar&spraak=e"]Digitalarkivet[/url] And since the parents lived at Ensrud farm in 1875 when their first child Ole was born, and still lived there in 1900, it doesn't make sence to christen their child at any other church. Anders, Marthe & (Anne) Marie lives with their father in census-1900. Ole b.1875 probably died young, since they got a new Ole in 1881. This Ole could also have died young, at least I've not found him in census-1900 for Gran parish. People didn't move much those days, but he could of course have emigrated to the US... Ingeborg born 1889 is not in the census either, but she is a bit too young to have emigrated before 1900 alone... Yes, Karen Olsdtr Ensrud refers to Peder's wife. She probably lived on the same farm at that time, maybe as a servant or something??? As said earlier, I believe Karen Olsdatter is the same as the girl christened in the neighbouring parish Jevnaker on 07 FEB 1847. Ole b. 1875 is their first child together. As stated in the christening record, it's her first illegitimate child. Marriage records for Gran parish are not available online, but you can view them at a local LDS center. Jan Peter
jwiborg[url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f60532&gardpostnr=633&personpostnr=3949&merk=3949#ovre"]This[/url] is most likely the girl Peder had his first child with; Marte Johanesdatter from the farm "Brokerud af Morka" in Jevnaker, Oppland, born ca 1850. Parents are Johanes Gulbrandsen born ca 1823 and Goro Gulbrandsdatter born ca 1820. Jan Peter
jwiborgHi, you said you had a picture of Marthe's sister Marie standing by a gravestone with the name Ingeborg Ensrud on it. This Ingeborg could very well be their younger sister, born 28-feb-1889! Could the picture be taken at the funeral? By determining Marie's age at the picture, it could give a hint of when Ingeborg died. Marie is 4 years older than Ingeborg. Is the picture taken in Norway? Jan Peter
jwiborgThey married in Oslo! Names fit, both ages fit, his father fit, her father fit... [:)] Marriage: 31 DEC 1875 Trefoldighet Menighet, Oslo, Akershus, Norway Peder Olsen, birth 1837, father Ole Halvorsen Karen Olsdatter, birth 1847, father Ole Hansen [url="http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/igi/individual_record.asp?recid=100389979826&lds=1®ion=12®ionfriendly=Norway&juris1=&juris2=&juris3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly="]Link[/url] Since they both had illegitimate childs, it could very well be that the local priest in Gran denied to marry them! The distance from the Ensrud farm to the Trefoldighet church in the centre of Oslo is 70 km. Today it will take you 1hr by car, in those days probably 3-4 hrs by horse and wagon... [:)] PEDER OLSEN Christening: 21 APR 1837 Gran, Oppland, Norway Parents: OLE HALVORSEN & ANNE LARSDR [url="http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=100208909807&lds=1®ion=12®ionfriendly=Norway&frompage=99"]Link[/url] Census-1865 with Peder, his sister Randi, and their mother widow Anne Larsdatter: [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f60534&gardpostnr=1538&merk=1538#ovre"]Link[/url] Jan Peter
jwiborgChild #7 NN OLSEN Male Birth: 01 APR 1879 Gran, Oppland, Norway Death: 01 APR 1879 Parents: Father: PEDER OLSEN Mother: KAREN OLSDR [url="http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/igi/individual_record.asp?recid=500221553877&lds=1®ion=12®ionfriendly=&juris1=&juris2=&juris3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly="]Link[/url] 1875: Ole 1876: Anders 1879: NN (male) 1881: Ole 1883: Marte 1885: Anne Marie 1889: Ingeborg ......... Most likely Peder's illegitimate child with Marthe Johannesdatter Brokerud: Ole Pedersen Christening: 24 NOV 1872, Jevnaker, Oppland, Norway Parents: Peder Olsen & Marte Johannesdatter [url="http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/igi/individual_record.asp?recid=100224623910&lds=1®ion=12®ionfriendly=Norway&juris1=&juris2=&juris3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly="]Link[/url] Jan Peter
TLarsonWow lots of info! Thanks so much! The picture I have of Marie by Ingeborgs gravestone was probably taken quite sometime after Ingeborgs death as Marie looks much older, and from what I can tell it says that she (Ingeborg) died in 1924, but the picture is small and dates are hard to read. But my mom and I both agreed that the date of birth was February 28! We weren't sure on the year thought maybe 1854 but if the records say 1889 then it must be that. Also the gravestone says Ingeborg P Ensrud so that would make Peder her father and that would make her Martha's sister so it would be the Ingeborg that you found as a child to Peder and Karen! Also you asked if the picure was taken in Norway, Yes I'm very positve that it was taken there as the words on the stone are in Norwegian and I don't think Marie ever came to America so it would have to be taken in Norway. Thanks so much Jan Peter! You've helped me find so much info I never thought I could find! One other thing I was wondering is, does the NN for the seventh childen indicate no name? I would guess it was born dead or died shortly after birth. -Tim Larson
jwiborgFrom the churchbook "Dead in Gran, Oppland 1924": Dead 26-june-1924, burried 5-july-1924 ug husbestyrerinne (unmarried housekeeper) Ingeborg Pedersdr Ensrud Born 1889-2-28 Address: Ensrud Cause of death: Nyresykdom (kidney disease). Note: Døde på Rikshospitalet etter operasjon. Died at Rikshospitalet hospital in Oslo after operation/surgery. #8 (Kvindekjøn/females) here: [url="http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051107011057.jpg"]Link[/url] [:)] Yes, NN is for no name, and was something I wrote, cause the link at Familysearch didn't indicate any first name. The child died at the day of birth, so it was probably not given any christian name. Jan Peter
TLarsonHello again I just found the information below: 36-4 Hans F. Kolkind Montevideo MN Born: October 4, 1863 in Gran. Emigration: In 1882, aboard the "Hanoverian." Residences: Chippewa County MN. Occupation: Farmer Church: The United Norwegian Lutheran Church. Married: Kjersti G Schjeager on March 4, 1900. She died on December 17, 1913. Children: Fredrik H. Kolkind, May 21, 1901. Parents: Farmer Fredrik H. Kolkind and Mari O. Ensrud. Siblings: Marthe F Berg, Gran; Bertha F Kolkind, Rudser ND; Mrs. Anne Hilden (deceased). Paternal Grandparents: Hans and Berte Morstad Maternal Grandparents: Ole Snellingen and Anne Ensrud. Father's Siblings: Painter Peder H Morstad; Jørgine Ødegaarden, Lunner; Mari Gippe, Chippewa County MN. Mother's Siblings: Peder O Ensrud, Mrs. H. Melaas, and Mrs. Lyngstad (half-sister). This Hans F. Kolkind looks I would assume is the Hans Fredricksen that Martha was coming to when she came to America. Montevideo is not far from Watson,MN. And The Peder O Ensrud who is a brother to Hans's mother would make Hans a cousin to Martha assuming that it is her father Peder O Ensrud. This helps me to figure out a lot of info on other cousins that my great-grandmother had in this country if someone could verify the information on Hans's mother's siblings with the family listed in the Norwegian census I would greatly appreciate it! Just to make sure that the Peder O Ensrud-father to Martha had a sister named Mari! [:)] -Tim Larson
jwiborgThere is no need to "assume" anything anymore, didn't you see the burial of Ingeborg above?? [:)] And here is Peder O. Ensrud's sister Mari Olsdatter's christening record: Mari, christening: 11 NOV 1832, Jevnaker, Oppland, Norway Parents: Ole Halvorsen & Anne Larsdatter [url="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=100180733516&lds=1®ion=12®ionfriendly=Norway&frompage=99"]Link[/url] (Ie. Ole Halvorsen Snellingen and Anne Larsdatter Ensrud) Same parents as Peder... [:)] [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f60534&gardpostnr=1552&personpostnr=9726&merk=9726#ovre"]Here[/url] they are on the Kolkind farm in Gran in census-1865. Hans' [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=Dp05341856&gardpostnr=2489&personpostnr=19800&merk=19800#ovre"]christening record[/url] Mari & Peder's sister Randi looks to be one of the Godfathers. Siblings to Hans (from the database christened in Gran 1856 - 1874): Birthe b. 23-APR-1857 (=Bertha F Kolkind) Anne b. 06-NOV-1859 (=Mrs. Anne Hilden) Marthe b. 06-JUL-1867 (=Marthe F Berg, Gran) Jan Peter
jwiborgMari Olsdatter Ensrud was christened on 11-NOV-1832 [url="http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/igi/individual_record.asp?recid=100180733516&lds=1®ion=12®ionfriendly=Norway&juris1=&juris2=&juris3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly="]Link[/url] Peder Olsen Ensrud is born 14-APR-1837 [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=Dp05341824&gardpostnr=2935&personpostnr=23070&merk=23070#ovre"]Link[/url] Randi Olsdatter Ensrud is born 06-JUL-1840 [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=Dp05341824&gardpostnr=3526&personpostnr=27775&merk=27775#ovre"]Link[/url] But who are Mrs. H. Melaas, and Mrs. Lyngstad (half-sister)? [:I] Randi is not a half-sister, so could she be Mrs. H. Melaas? Maybe it reads Mrs. R. Melaas? Here is Randi Olsdatter, born 1840 in Gran, living on Melaas farm in Lunner, Oppland in census-1900! [:)] Lunner is neighbouring parish to Gran. [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f00533&gardpostnr=294&personpostnr=1850&merk=1850#ovre"]Link[/url] Marthe's sister Ingeborg/Ingebør (28-FEB-1889 - 26-JUN-1924) is living there! Randi is her aunt. Position in family reads "søsterdatter" (Sister-daughter), but it should say Brother-daughter, because she's the daughter of Randi's brother, not sister. Here last name Pedersdatter is ok. To find Mrs. Lyngstad looks to be more of a challenge, since we don't know her first name or age. There are people named Lyngstad living in Gran in census-1900, but there are also farms by that name in Gran. And without knowing her first name, it's a challenge... :-) She could be a Olsdatter in the census, if Ole Halvorsen is her father. But she could also be anyhing else, if her mother was Anne Larsdatter, and father is (so far) unknown. Christened in Jevnaker, with father = Ole Halvorsen or mother = Anne Larsdatter: Marte, christening: 23 JUN 1833, Jevnaker, Oppland, Norway. Parents: Ole Halvorsen & Guri Christiansdatter Tolline, christening: 25 APR 1834, Jevnaker, Oppland, Norway. Parents: Ole Halvorsen & Lisbet Hansdatter Maren, christening: 17 NOV 1836, Jevnaker, Oppland, Norway. Parents: Anders Gundersen & Anne Larsdatter Both Marte & Tolline have siblings, so they are "out"... Could not find any siblings to Maren, but I dont believe she would be the right one. If so, Anne Larsdatter would be unfaithful, which was very uncommon those days. I believe this half-sister would be born before marriage, ie. older than Mari born 1832. The records for Jevnaker at [url="http://www.familysearch.org/"]Familysearch.org[/url] starts with 1832, so she would not be there if she's born in Jevnaker... [:I] There's no illegitimate girl in the database Christened i Gran 1824 - 1842 with father Ole Halvorsen or mother Anne Larsdatter, so my guess is that this Mrs. Lyngstad is born around 1830 in Jevnaker... [:)] Snellingen is a farm in Jevnaker, and it's probably Ole's brother Peder Halvorsen Snellingen who lives on the Snellingen farm in census-1865: [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f60532&gardpostnr=861&personpostnr=5280&merk=5280#ovre"]Click here[/url] Peder is born ca 1790. Since there is no trace on any illegitimate girl of Anne Larsdatter among christening records in Gran, it looks like Mrs. Lyngstad could be a daughter of Ole Halvorsen Snellingen, and born in Jevnaker before 1832... Jan Peter
jwiborgOle Halvorsen (b. ca 1796) & brother Peder Halvorsen (b. ca 1793) on the Snellingen farm in census-1801: [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f10532&gardpostnr=84&personpostnr=2063&merk=2063#ovre"]Link[/url] Parents are Halvor Olsen (b. ca 1759) & Mari Pedersdatter (b. ca 1763) Jan Peter
jwiborgLooking at [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=Dp05341880a&gardpostnr=456&personpostnr=3543&merk=3543#ovre"]Marthe[/url]'s christening record once more, some of the Godfathers makes more sence... [:)] Girl Marte Fredriksdatter is the sister to Hans Fredriksen Kolkind. She lived at the farm Flaagen in 1883. Cousin to Marthe. Farmer Hans Olsen Melaas is Randi's husband. Uncle to Marthe. Jan Peter
jwiborgMrs. Lyngstad's name is Johanne! [:)] And she's married to Hans Andersen Lyngstad. Here is the christening record of their daughter [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=Dp05341856&gardpostnr=2201&personpostnr=17516&merk=17516#ovre"]Johanne Maria[/url], born 10-JAN-1863. Aunt Randi Olsdatter Ensrud (Melaas) is again one of the Godfathers... [:)] The reason I found this, is that I saw that Anders Hansen Lyngstad was one of the Godfathers at Hans Fredriksen's christening... Here they are at the Lyngstad farm in Gran in [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f60534&gardpostnr=1496&personpostnr=9369&merk=9369#ovre"]census-1865[/url] Johanne is born ca 1824 in Jevnaker! [:)] But there is a mismatch between the census and the christening record, in the census she is named Pedersdatter. They have 10 children christened in Gran 1842-1874, and she's named Pedersdatter in 9 of the records, and named Olsdatter when Johanne Maria is born. Hans Andersen & Johanne married in Gran 20-JUN-1969. [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=Dp05341856&gardpostnr=513&personpostnr=4137&merk=4137#ovre"]Link[/url] Something is strange about the marriage date. I find it strange that they married after having 9 children... Marthea is born 25-DEC-1857 and christened 02-MAY-1869, 12 years old...? [:I] And census-1865 says they're married.. And when Anders is born in 1848, he is a legitimate child.. Children; [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=Dp05341842&gardpostnr=1518&personpostnr=12153&merk=12153#ovre"]Anders[/url] b. 07-DEC-1848 [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=Dp05341842&gardpostnr=2068&personpostnr=16555&merk=16555#ovre"]Anne[/url] b. 01-OCT-1850 [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=Dp05341842&gardpostnr=2777&personpostnr=22229&merk=22229#ovre"]Peder[/url] 10-MAY-1853 [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=Dp05341842&gardpostnr=3532&personpostnr=28274&merk=28274#ovre"]Elina[/url] b. 19-SEP-1855 [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=Dp05341856&gardpostnr=513&personpostnr=4137&merk=4137#ovre"]Marthea[/url] b. 25-DEC-1857 [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=Dp05341856&gardpostnr=1335&personpostnr=10706&merk=10706#ovre"]Lise[/url] b. 31-MAY-1860 [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=Dp05341856&gardpostnr=2201&personpostnr=17516&merk=17516#ovre"]Johanne Maria[/url] b. 10-JAN-1863 [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=Dp05341856&gardpostnr=3105&personpostnr=24664&merk=24664#ovre"]Julius[/url] b. 14-OCT-1865 [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=Dp05341856&gardpostnr=3923&personpostnr=31134&merk=31134#ovre"]Olaf[/url] b. 02-AUG-1868 [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=Dp05341856&gardpostnr=5072&personpostnr=40138&merk=40138#ovre"]Martinius[/url] b. 17-SEP-1872 Being a Olsdatter, Johanne Lyngstad's father would probably be Ole Halvorsen Snellingen. Being a Pedersdatter, Johanne Lyngstad's mother would probably be Anne Larsdatter Ensrud... Hmmm... where's the missing link between Mrs. Johanne Lyngstad and Peder Olsen Ensrud...? To solve this "mystery" you need to either a) look up her wedding record with Hans Andersen or b) look up Johanne's christening record from Jevnaker, Oppland ca 1824... [:)] There is a record of one Hans Andersen & Johanne Pedersdatter getting married in Gran on 13-JUN-1848 [url="http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/igi/individual_record.asp?recid=500221999687&lds=1®ion=12®ionfriendly=Norway&juris1=&juris2=&juris3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly="]Link[/url] That could be them... Jan Peter
TLarsonThanks so much Jan for all your help in finding this info about my great-grandmother's family! I appreciate it very much. Everything just kind of ties together when you find a lot of info! Thanks again! -Tim Larson
TLarsonHello again I am wondering if any information could be found on Mrs. Anne Hilden who was a sister to Hans Kolkind. I know she is listed as deceased on the information I found for Hans so I don't know if anything can be found or not. I know that my great-grandmother had cousins who were referred to as the Hilden sisters, so apparently Anne had daughters. But I really don't know much about them. -Tim Larson
jwiborgHi again, Ole Peter Andersen Lyngstad (18) from Gran, emigrating to Minnesota on 3rd of July, 1903: [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=EMIOSLO&gardpostnr=143728&merk=143728#ovre"]Link[/url] From the Christening records in Gran 1880 - 1888: Ole Peter, born 11-mar-1885, christened 05-apr-1885 Parents: Anders Hansen Lyngstad b. 1849 and Else Larsdatter b. 1856 [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=Dp05341880a&gardpostnr=622&personpostnr=4850&merk=4850#ovre"]Link[/url] [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f00534&gardpostnr=445&personpostnr=2818&merk=2818#ovre"]Here[/url] is his mother Else, siblings Anna b.1887, Hans b. 1879 and Ingeborg b. 1877 on the Lyngstad farm in Gran in census-1900. Else/Elise is a widow, so husband Anders Hansen Lyngstad is dead. Jan Peter
TLarsonHi, I was just looking through a box of old pictures and found an obituary for Anne Hilden, it reads as follows: Mrs. Andrew H Hilden died at her home, near Watson, last Saturday, Jan. 14, having been ill only a couple of days. She attended a meeting of the Ladies' Aid society the Thursday before she died; but was seized with pneumonia the evening of the same day. Her general health, however, had been poorly for the last ten years. Mrs. Hilden, whose maiden name was Miss Anna Kolkjen, was born in Norway November 6, 1860. She came to America with her parents in 1872. In 1881, she was married to Andrew H. Hilden. Her husband and nine children survive her. The funeral took place Wednesday, Jan. 18 at 2 p. m. at the United Lutheran Church, where Rev. Mr. Syrdal preached the funeral sermon. The church was appropriately decorated for the occasion, and there was a profusion of floral offerings. Seldom has there been a larger audience present at a funeral in the Watson church. Mrs. Hilden was an exceptionally good woman, loved by her family and highly estimed by neighbors and friends. If the above information sparks any ideas I would appreciate any help! -Tim Larson
TLarsonHello again, I just found a picture that was taken at Peter Lyngstad's funeral in Aberdeen, South Dakota in 1944. Would that be the Peter (Peder) who was a son to Hans and Johanne? -Tim Larson
jwiborgHi, Aberdeen is in Brown county, so I would guess your Peter Lyngstad is this one: Peter A. Lyngstad, born ca 1886. (see records from Ancestry.com below) That means he can not be this Peder who lives on the Lyngstad farm in Gran in census-1865. You should take into consideration that it's not 100% confirmed that Johanne is the same as this half-sister Mrs. Lyngstad, since you don't know this Johanne's parents yet... But Mrs. Lyngstad should be originating/married with someone from this Lyngstad farm(s) in Gran, Oppland. You don't know here age, husband, children or something? Could this Peter be her husband or child? From Ancestry.com: Name: Peter A Lyngstad Birth: abt 1886 - location Residence: <city>, Hennepin, Minnesota 1920 United States Federal Census Record Census Name: Peter A Lyngstad Residence: <city>, Hennepin, Minnesota World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 Record Name: Peter A Lyngstad Birth: abt 1885 Residence: <city>, Brown county, South Dakota 1930 United States Federal Census Record Census Name: Peter Lyngstad Death: dd mm 1944 - Brown county, South Dakota South Dakota Death Index, 1905-1955 Record Jan Peter
jwiborgMarriage: 07 DEC 1877, Jevnaker, Oppland, Norway: Anders Hansen, his father: HANS ANDERSEN Else Larsdatter, her father: LARS ANDERSEN [url="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=500222013420&lds=1®ion=12®ionfriendly=Norway&frompage=99"]Link[/url] Same records at Digitalarkivet, Married in Jevnaker 1877 - 1890: Anders Hansen (29), residence "Lyngstad in Gran", born "Ensrud in Gran" on 07-DEC-1848 bride girl Else Larsdatter, residence Kjørven, born Korsrudbakken on 11-sep-1855 [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=Vi05321877&gardpostnr=30&personpostnr=175&merk=175#ovre"]Link[/url] Anders Hansen, born 07 DEC 1848, christening: 25 DEC 1848, Gran, Oppland, Norway Parents: HANS ANDERSEN ENSRUD & JOHANNE PEDERSDATTER [url="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=100111991132&lds=1®ion=12®ionfriendly=Norway&frompage=99"]Link1[/url] [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=Dp05341842&gardpostnr=1518&personpostnr=12152&merk=12152#ovre"]Link2[/url] Else Larsdatter, christening: 23 SEP 1855, Jevnaker, Oppland, Norway Parents: LARS ANDERSEN & INGEBOR HANSDATTER [url="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=100075301943&lds=1®ion=12®ionfriendly=Norway&frompage=99"]Link[/url] So this Johanne in previous postings is Peter A. Lyngstad's Paternal grandmother! [:)] But is she this Mrs. Lyngstad you're looking for? [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=EMIOSLO&gardpostnr=185130&merk=185130#ovre"]Anna Elise Lyngstad[/url] (18) from Gran, emigrating to Minnesota on a prepaid ticket on 24-AUG-1906. Ticket paid by brother Peter A. Lyngstad? [:)] [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=Dp05341880a&gardpostnr=945&personpostnr=7388&merk=7388#ovre"]Anna Elise[/url] is born on 30-sep-1887. Jan Peter
jwiborgWith regards to Mrs Anne Hilden, what are you looking for there? This looks to be Anne Fredriksen (Hilden) in the US 1880-census: [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=MINN1880&gardpostnr=5985&merk=5985#ovre"]Digitalarkivet[/url] [url="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1880US_8007150&HOUSEHOLD_SUB=1&frompage=5"]Familysearch[/url] There are some Hildens in her neighborhood (of Tunsburg, Chippewa, Minnesota), even one living in the same household. Maybe this widow G. Dorthea HILDEN is her future mother-in-law? [;)] A lot of Hildens are listed on the Hadeland Lag Member List 1910 - 1989 [url="http://www.hadelandlag.org/history/histlagmbrsh2.htm"]Hadelandlag.org[/url] Hadeland is the name of the bigger area Gran is located in. Jan Peter
TLarsonHello As far as information on Mrs. Anne Hilden I am wondering when she was born and when she died. Also I would like to find out the names of her nine children. As her obituary says she had nine children. Also I'm wondering if it can be found what date she was married on and where. -Tim Larson
jwiborgAnne's birthdate + year is given in two previous postings here. From the christening records in Gran, the year = 1859, you had 1860. When it comes to the names of her children, marriage year, death year etc, I believe you should be able to continue yourself. She emigrated as a child, so all this info should be in the US. It looks like she went to Tunsburg, Chippewa county, Minnesota, so you should start by looking there. Jan Peter
TLarsonHello again, I just got the death certificate for my great-grandmother, Martha Julseth. And for here parents names it has Peder Ensrud and Marie Melaas. But the information that was found for me said that Martha's mother's name was Karen [:I]. So not sure if it's wrong on the death certificate or what. Tim
Jo Anne SadlerDeath certificates are second hand information given in times of stress and aren't always accurate. Women generally went by more than one name/nickname/middle name in their lives and this could be the case here. This string is getting rather long and full of alot of information on many different people. Without reading through all this information, do you have Martha marriage records, including civil and church?
jwiborgHi Tim, this is about Martha Ensrud, not Julseth isn't it? [;)] There's no doubt that Martha Ensrud's mother was Karen Olsdatter, christened on 07 FEB 1847, Jevnaker, Oppland, with parents Ole Hansen & Marte Olsdatter, and living on the Melaas farm in Jevnaker in census-1865. It could be that she was named/christened Karen Marie, but there is no proof of that in any of the records found about her so far.
  • Her (Karen Olsdatter) own christening record from 07 FEB 1847 (at LDS) says Karen Olsdatter.
  • Census-1865 says Karen Olsdatter.
  • Census-1875 says Karen Olsdatter.
  • Her marriage record from 31 DEC 1875, Trefoldighet Menighet church, Oslo, Akershus, says Karen Olsdatter.
  • All christening records of her 7 children says mother: Karen Olsdatter, except for the first one (Ole), which says mother: Kari Olsdatter.
Jan Peter
TLarsonYes the death certificate was for Martha Ensrud. But when she married John Julseth so that would be why it changed. I will stick with the fact that here mother's name was Karen since the records say that. Tim
TLarsonHello again I am wondering if it is at all possible to find out when Martha's sister Marie died in Norway. I have found letters that she sent to Martha still in 1969 so she would have died some time in the 1970s. I don't know how you would figure out that information. Also I am wondering if it can be found as to when Martha's brother Anders passed away. We have no living relatives on that side of the family living in Norway as far as I know. So I don't know who to ask about this info. Any help would be appreciated! Tim
TLarsonHello again I am wondering if it is at all possible to find out when Martha's sister Marie died in Norway. I have found letters that she sent to Martha still in 1969 so she would have died some time in the 1970s. I don't know how you would figure out that information. Also I am wondering if it can be found as to when Martha's brother Anders passed away. We have no living relatives on that side of the family living in Norway as far as I know. So I don't know who to ask about this info. Any help would be appreciated! Tim
jwiborgHi, are you sure about no living relatives in the area? There are still Ensrud's living on the Ensrud farm in Gran as of today, according to the norwegian phonebook: [url="http://www.gulesider.no/gsi/whiteSearch.do?spraak=3&mode=&linje=1&etter=FL%C5GENVEGEN+23&x=38&y=13&drill=&sort=2"]Click here[/url] Give them a call or write a letter, they should at least know someone you could direct your questions to... The norwegian land register from 1950, Ensrud farm (landnumber 242), Gran, Oppland: Titleno. 1, Ensrud, owner: Olaf H. Ensrud and Marie Ensrud Titleno. 2, Ensrud, owner: Anne Ensrud Titleno. 3, Berget, owner: Charles K. Berg Titleno. 4, Ensrud, owner: Kaare Johannessen Titleno. 5, Kruggerud, owner: Erik H. Smedsrud Titleno. 6, Ensrud, owner: Paul T. Ensrud Titleno. 7, Kruggerud, owner: Ingel B. Kruggerud Titleno. 8, Brokerudhagen, owner: Lars Larsen Brokerudhagen d. y. Titleno. 9, Ensrudmyren, owner: Peder Martinsen Myhra Titleno. 10, Berg, owner: Paul T. Ensrud Titleno. 11, Berg, owner: Anders Pedersen Titleno. 12, Kuroa, owner: Egil B. Gundersen Titleno. 13, Tusserud, owner: Einar Fjoran Anders Pedersen on the small holding Berg could be Maries brother. Jan Peter
TLarsonHello Thanks for this info, nice to know there might still be some relatives living in Norway. This might seem like a dumb question, but I've never sent a letter to someone in a foreign country so what are the addresses for these people and how exactly do I go about sending a letter to them. Thanks! Tim
jwiborgTim, I found some email addresses which could be interesting I'll send them to you by mail. Jan Peter
HopkinsAnd any US post office can help you with appropriate postage for "snail mail" to foreign destinations.
TLarsonwould it be at all possible to find the death certificate for Martha's sister Marie? or don't they keep records of that the same way in Norway as in America? Tim
HopkinsCertificate? No, but -- Did you order the microfilms of those parish records for this area? Have you started working in that information?? But this thread is SO LONG and disjointed that I couldn't see that you seem to indicate that she was still alive in 1969?? -- so no, forget the parish records for that particular bit of information! I've had to edit my response here.