Trying to find information about John Julseth
TLarson	I'm trying to find some information about my great-grandfather whose name was John Julseth, actually I believe his name was Johan as that is what the grave marker says by his grave. I know that he was born in 1882 in Brandon, MN and he died in 1953. in the cemetary there are the graves of his parents but they only say mother and father, but no names. My grandma thinks that his mothers name was Berit and that must be correct because I found a death certificate for a Berit Julseth and it says that she died in 1926 and that is what the grave marker says. I don't know what her husbands name was, but I think it could possibly be Torsten, he died sometime in the 1890s. my great-grandfather had at least two brothers Thomas and Ludvig and at least one sister whose name, I believe, was Ellen. I'm trying to figure out when my great-grandfathers parents came from Norway, I believe they were married when they came but am not sure. I don't know for sure what part of Norway they came from either. Any help anyone can give me would be much appreciated!
Hopkins	It is likely you will NOT be able to find information about the "Julseth"s from Norway - without knowing their names, approximate birth years and at least fairly good estimate of WHEN they emigrated. You'll probably learn much more about the family from other Minnesota records. You probably know what county Brandon Minnesota is located in. Investigate for deaths of other "Julseth" named persons in that Minnesota county. Then send for the death certificate copies - they will probably contain more information than a simple index. Look for local newspaper obituaries at the time(s) of those deaths. Keep in mind that gravestones, death certificates and obituaries can contain greivous errors in dates and names. After all the person who knew the information the best - is the one who is just deceased. Information on gravestones, death certificates and obituaries is often given by close relatives in grief and possible confusion. Occasionally the information is given by a family member who is less grief stricken than others and being a bit more removed from immediate relationship - also has less accurate knowledge of the details. Look for the state or county death records, records of the church that the family attended, ALL records (both federal and state), naturalization records, land purchase records, etc. Don't be surprised to find many possible different spellings of the names in various documents, most will probably 'sound alike' or close. Being demanding about spelling seems to be a "modern" thing - it wasn't so important in the past.
Hopkins	Yes, you should check and carefully study the information in the 1900 US census enumeration for Brandon township of Douglas Co., Minnesota. A widow with surname Julseth is listed there with three sons and two daughters. The 1900 census tries to collect at least approximate birth month, year and year of immigration to the US. By 1910 you'll find one of the sons is listed as head of the household and several of the children have left the household - the daughters probably married. At a minimum aollow the family through all the various census enumerations available - you'll be able to pick up many little pieces of information and hopefully collect a much better amount of information.
jwiborg	[url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=MINN1880&gardpostnr=16619&merk=16619#ovre"]Torsten Julseth[/url] (34), wife Joran Julseth (27) and children Theodore (7), Johan 85) and Maria (3) are listed in the 1880 US-census for Douglas county, Minnesota. Jan Peter
jwiborg	Shoemaker [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=EMITROND&gardpostnr=24839&merk=24839#ovre"]Torsten L. Julseth[/url] (30) from Nedre Størdalen (Stjørdal, Nord-Trøndelag county) is headed for Brandon Minnesota on 19-May-1881. Wife Beret Julseth (28) and son Ludvig (10 months) are with him. Torsten Julseth listed in the US-1880 census above must be a different one. [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f61714&gardpostnr=1157&personpostnr=6706&merk=6706#ovre"]Torsten Lorntsen[/url] (14) on the Juelset farm in Stjørdal in census-1865. Parents are Lornts Larsen (44) & Marta Lorntsdatter (36). The farmname is nowadays spelled Julset, and is located 10km south of Trondheim Airport Værnes, 40km east of Trondheim. Jan Peter
Jo Anne Sadler	You got the right ones, Jan Peter with Torsten L., Beret and Ludvig. In the 1900 census, Berit is a widow with several children, the oldest, Ludvig, born Norway December 1879. Berit has 6 children, 5 living. In the 1910 census, she has 6 children, 4 living. Dates of immigration range from 1880 to 1882 in the various censuses. The MN Historical Society death index shows 10 Julseths, 6 from Douglas County. The Douglas County Genealogical Society provides research for out of area people. While John's father died between the 1880 and 1900 census there are state census' available in the mid decade range, 1885, 1895. You could find them there. While there was no mandatory vital records registration in the U.S. until around 1907, most counties had birth, marriage and death registers that are available. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mndougla/dcgs.html You might consider joining Trønderlag of America, an organization for descendants of emigrants from this area with a genealogist who does research for members: http://www.tronderlag.org/
Jo Anne Sadler	There are lookup volunteers for the farm books for Stjørdal in Nør-Trondelag: http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/lookups.html#Nør-Trøndelag
jwiborg	I believe the Torsten Julseth found in census-1880 with wife Joran must be related to your Torsten. Maybe they financed the tickets? [:)] Because the emigration papers says that tickets for Torsten, Beret and Ludvig was paid in America. [url="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1880US_8018828&HOUSEHOLD_SUB=1&frompage=5"]Johana Julsath[/url] is living there, and she is from Stjørdal also. Sisters Ingeborg and Johanna Julseth emigrated [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=EMITROND&gardpostnr=18317&merk=18317#ovre"]April 1st, 1880[/url] Jan Peter
TLarson	Yes Jan Peter I'm very sure that the Torsten Julseth you found with wife Beret and son Ludvig is the correct one. Also I've heard or actually read about the other Torsten because his son wrote an autobiography when he was quite old and I found it out on the net. I also rememer my grandfather saying that my grandmother's grandparents came from the area of stordalen. The gravemarker for Beret says that she lived from 1850-1926 and Torsten 1852-1896 and Ludvig lived from 1879-1948 so i can be quite sure that these are the correct Julseths. If you find anything else please post it. Thank you very much for this help! Tim Larson
TLarson	I am also wondering if there is any way to find out if and how the two Torstens are related. I'd appreciate any help! Thanks! Tim Larson
jwiborg	[:)] This must be the Torsten Julseth which married Joran: [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f61714&gardpostnr=1160&personpostnr=6721&merk=6721#ovre"]Click here[/url] Torsten Torstensen, Juelset vestre farm, 20 years old in census-1865; ie. born ca 1846. Johanna born 1860 who came over in 1880 is his sister! He must have emigrated before 1873, since his son Theodore is born in Minnesota that year. I've not found him in the list of Emigrants from Trondheim 1867-1930, so there's a possibility that he emigrated in 1866, just after the census was recorded. His parents are Torsten Tronsen (53) & Mali Nielsdatter (49). Your Torsten's parents was Lornts Larsen (44) & Marta Lorntsdatter (36). So the Torsten's can not be cousins... [:I] But they were atleast neighbours in Norway... Jan Peter
TLarson	Yes that sounds like the other Torsten I read about because I remember it telling that his parents were Torsten and Mali. Well now I know that they are most likely not related unless it was further back in the history. Thank you very much for your help Jan Peter!
jwiborg	[img]http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~larsonmorgan/Larson/Anton%20T%20Julseth/Torsten%20and%20Mali%20Julseth.jpg[/img] Torstein Trondsen Julset and Mali Nilsdatter Aune, (portrait circa 1870 in Nord Trondelag, Norway. [url="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~larsonmorgan/Larson/Anton%20T%20Julseth/Anton%20T%20Julseth%20History.html"]History of the Life of Anton T. Julseth[/url] Jan Peter
TLarson	Yes that is the life story I was talking about; for Anton T. Julseth. It is very interesting!
Jo Anne Sadler	Is this the brother Nils who stayed behind in Norway: [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f01714&gardpostnr=1067&merk=1067#ovre"]1900 census[/url]
jwiborg	Stjørdal bygdebok III - Julset: [img]http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~larsonmorgan/Larson/documents/bygdebok%20-%20Stjordal%20III%20pg%20735%20Julset.jpg[/img] Lornts Larsen Julsethaug is born 2-Mar-1819, dead 1-Feb-1894. His father was Lars Olsen Bergstrøen in Øfstidalen. His wife Marta is called Lorntsdatter in the census, but is named Torkildsdatter in the Bygdebook for Stjørdal.... [url="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~larsonmorgan/Larson/records/records.html"]Links[/url] Jan Peter
TLarson	Wow it's amazing what information you can find if you know what you're looking for! I'm also curious if it would be possible to find information about Torstens wife Beret's family? Tim Larson
jwiborg	Hello Tim, in order to find more info about Beret Julseth, we need to know her patronym..., ie her fathers firstname. So far, she's only been named Julseth, a name she has from her husband. The two best options are: 1) Order her death certificate from [url="http://people.mnhs.org/dci/Search.cfm"]Minnesota Historical Society[/url]. BERIT JULSETH is registered with Date of Death: 02/22/1926, Douglas county. This certificate could mention her parents name. 2) Visit a local LDS center and scan through the wedding records for Stjørdal around 1880 (1875?-1880). She is married at the time of emigration (19-May-1881) with a son ludvig born around July 1880. The marriage record should contain her fathers name. Mircofilms: 709.A16 Nedre Stjørdal prestegjeld (Lower Stjørdal parish): contains christening-, confirmations-, wedding- and deathrecords 1871-1879 709.A17 Værnes sokn (Vaernes parish): contains christening-, confirmations-, wedding- and deathrecords 1880-1895, deadborn 1881-1894, immigrants to parish 1880-1895, emigrants out of parish 1880-1896 Then it should be possible to locate her in the norwegian 1865 census, where she would be ca 12 years old...[:)] Jan Peter
TLarson	Hello again I just got the death certificate of Berit Julseth in the mail today and it says that her fathers name was Johan Aune, but has no name for her mother, not even a maiden name it only says unknown. Don't know if this can help find any info on here parents or not, but would appreciate any help. Tim
Hopkins	What efforts have you made in the second item of research that Jan Peter recommended to you? "2) Visit a local LDS center and scan through the wedding records for Stjørdal around 1880 ....."
TLarson	Hello again I have not had a chance to visit a LDS yet and by the way what is a LDS center and where would I find one? I just found an old scrapbook of newspaper clippings and one of them was the obituary for my great-grandfather John Julseth and it verifys that Torsten and Berit were his parents, but I also found out that he had a sister named Manda who died before him and was wondering if anything could be found on her. She would have been born in Brandon, MN, I would assume and I don't think she was ever married, possibly even died young. I'm not sure as I haven't really heard of here before. So I would appreciate any help! Thanks! Tim
jwiborg	"Family History Centers are branch facilities of the Family History Library in Salt Lake City (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints). Centers provide access to most of the microfilms and microfiche in the Family History Library to help patrons identify their ancestors. Everyone is welcome to come to the centers and use Family History Center resources." They would have (or will order) copies of the Nedre Stjørdal churchbooks on microfilms, so that you can scan through the wedding records for 1875-1880, and look for Thorsten Lorntsen Julseth and Berit's wedding record. You will probably see her name written as Berit Johansdatter Aune(t), but hopefully her fathers name would indicate his patronym. There are several Berit Johansdatter aged 11-13 in the census, so it's still hard to locate her... You should also check their son Ludvig's christening record from autumn 1880. You can find a Family History Center near you [url="http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp"]here[/url]. Jan Peter
Hopkins	I cannot imagine trying to do any genealogy research without using the vast worldwide resources of the LDS Family History Library collection. LDS = Latter-day Saints... the Mormons. I found my nearest LDS Family History Center by checking my telephone directory for Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints - the phone book listed a number and address for a Family History Center which is located within the building of their church building. I made phone contact and was able to learn their schedule and some fine details about parking and getting into the building. You do not have to be a member of their church to use their vast collection of resources, and I've found all their volunteer staff to be as helpful as they are able. Most Family History Centers also have good basic books and materials about genealogy techniques that can be used while at the Center. They now have online index to Family History Center locations as Jan Peter linked above. I know I've repeatedly talked about the Norwegian records in the LDS collection that can be used - but you now mention Brandon, Minnesota - my atlas puts that in Douglas County. So we can look up Douglas [county] Minnesota in the LDS library catalog - Place search (don't type in the word 'county' in that place search and I entered Minnesota in the 'part of'' option, also don't type an abbreviation) http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp LDS library collection shows that they have the following topics for resources of Douglas County, Minn. Established in 1858 from Cass, Pembina, and Todd counties. Topics Minnesota, Douglas - Archives and libraries - Inventories, registers, catalogs Minnesota, Douglas - Church directories Minnesota, Douglas - Church records Minnesota, Douglas - Genealogy Minnesota, Douglas - Genealogy - Indexes Minnesota, Douglas - History Minnesota, Douglas - Land and property Minnesota, Douglas - Land and property - Indexes Minnesota, Douglas - Maps Minnesota, Douglas - Military records Minnesota, Douglas - Obituaries Minnesota, Douglas - Vital records - Indexes Minnesota, Douglas - Vital records - Newspapers I'd expect a birth in that county to possibly be recorded in Vital Records - hmmm, yes it appears they have two reels of microfilm which copy "Birth, marriage and death record indexes, ca. 1865-2001" -- AND it is copied to film which can be borrowed/rented by any LDS Family History Center anywhere in the world. You could look for Manda in those records, I'll assume that you have a time period in mind. Excellent online study helps for how to use the Norwegian records, the LDS library collections and even Inter-Library loan programs - http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/articles.html