Carl Thommas Berg from Magnor 1879 |
nucmedtek | Seeking information on Carl Thommas Berg who was born in Magnor in 1879. Emigrated to the US (year unknown) and settled in Minnesota. Married Ingeborg Bella Gysler, had 4 children, and, I believe, died in Saskatchewan,Canada.
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Brining | How sure are you of the birth year? The Canadian 1911 census has him born in 1873 (which could be wrong [:0]) but in the Digitalarkivet there is Karl Th. Berg age 21 emigrating in 1893 from Eidskog [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=EMIOSLO&gardpostnr=105005&merk=105005#ovre"]Click Here[/url]
Carla |
ninakarls | Magnor is located in Eidskog. The emigrant gives his occupation as merchant. That could indicate that Johan Berg is his father.
Census 1900: http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f00420&gardpostnr=473&personpostnr=2937&merk=2937#ovre
Census 1865: http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f60301&gardpostnr=1377&personpostnr=36191&merk=36191#ovre |
jwiborg | What about this one?
Carl Thomas Olsen
Christening: 07 APR 1872, Eidskogen, Hedmark, Norway
Parents: Ole Sigvard Berg & Eli Kjostelsdatter [url="http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/igi/individual_record.asp?recid=100206295577&lds=1®ion=12®ionfriendly=Norway&juris1=&juris2=&juris3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly="]link[/url]
But Karl is living at home in census-1900... [:I] [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f00420&gardpostnr=735&personpostnr=4456&merk=4456#ovre"]link[/url]
Jan Peter |
nucmedtek | Possibilities abound. His mother's name was ELI KJøstelsdatter STUMOEN. I will have to re-check my data on his emigration date. |
Hopkins | How much other information do you have about this man that you are withholding?? You say you are seeking information - what exactly do you already have and EXACTLY what is the purpose of not sharing that? You actually knew his mother's name but decided that wasn't important??? |
nucmedtek | I just received that information on his mother's name this morning. All I had prior to that was her first name, Eli.
I think that I would have included it if I had known it was that important. [:I]
Mea Culpa ... Fogive me .... and thanks for all the awesome work you guys do.[^] |
jwiborg | Well, then it looks like you have the right guy in this Carl Thomas Olsen, christening: 07 APR 1872.
Nationality says the US, so he is just home on a visit. Occupation reads clerk.
[url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f60420&gardpostnr=894&personpostnr=5652&merk=5652#ovre"]Here[/url] is his parents Ole Sigvard Berg & Eli Kjøstølsdatter in census-1865. Sigvard is from Strøms parish, Hedmark. (Strøm was divided into Sør-Odal & Nord-Odal in 1819). Eli is from Eidskog, Hedmark.
Ole Sigvards parents could be Berger Bergersen & Maren Rebeca Engebretsdr
Berger Bergersen has shortened his lastname to Bergh in census-1865, and moved to [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f60301&gardpostnr=948&personpostnr=26556&merk=26556#ovre"]Christiania[/url].
They have these children born in Nord-Odal:
Torkild Bergersen, Christening: 26 DEC 1819, Nord Odal, Hedmark.
Engebret Bergersen, Christening: 05 FEB 1822, Nord Odal, Hedmark
Caroline Beata Bergersen, Christening: 28 FEB 1824, Nord Odal, Hedmark
Jan Peter |
nucmedtek | Thanks again for all your hard work Jan Peter. I really appreciate it very much. It seems after putting these links into the tree that Carl Thomas Berg was a 2nd cousin to his wife Ingeborg Bella Gysler as her grandmother was Maren Kjøstelsdatter Stumoen, sister of Eli Kjøstelsdatter. |
jwiborg | Hi,
could it be Stubmoen in Søndre Odalen parish (Sør-Odal, Hedmark)?
Kjøstel Hansen is the owner of Stubmoen in 1838, according to the landregister for that year.
Kjøstel Hansen could be Maren and Eli's father.
[url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f60419&gardpostnr=954&personpostnr=5987&merk=5987#ovre"]Hans K. Moe[/url] is running the farm in census-1865. Maybe his full name is Hans Kjøstelsen Moe, and a brother of Maren & Eli? [:)]
Widow Anne Marie Nielsdatter is also living there, and could be Kjøstel Hansen's wife.
Jan Peter |
jwiborg | [:D]
[url="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=500219829624&lds=1®ion=12®ionfriendly=Norway&frompage=99"]Niels Kjostelsen[/url], birth 08 NOV 1820, christening 26 NOV 1820, Sør Odal, Hedmark, Norway
[url="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=500219772306&lds=1®ion=12®ionfriendly=Norway&frompage=99"]Tore Kjostelsen[/url], birth 25 NOV 1824, christening 28 NOV 1824, Sør Odal, Hedmark, Norway
[url="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=500219754415&lds=1®ion=12®ionfriendly=Norway&frompage=99"]Maren Kjostelsen[/url], birth 31 JUL 1827, christening 12 AUG 1827, Sør Odal, Hedmark, Norway
[url="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=500219763005&lds=1®ion=12®ionfriendly=Norway&frompage=99"]Eli Kjostelsen[/url], birth 04 AUG 1830, christening 15 AUG 1830, Sør Odal, Hedmark, Norway
[url="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=500219780273&lds=1®ion=12®ionfriendly=Norway&frompage=99"]Henrikke Kjostelsen[/url], birth 03 JAN 1836, christening 10 JAN 1836, Sør Odal, Hedmark, Norway
[url="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=500219803949&lds=1®ion=12®ionfriendly=Norway&frompage=99"]Hans Kjostelsen[/url], birth 19 AUG 1839, christening 01 SEP 1839, Sør Odal, Hedmark, Norway
Parents: Kjostel Hansen & Anne Maria Nielsdr
//Jan Peter |
nucmedtek | This is my family. As I understand it Hans Kjøstelsen died w/o heirs and the family farm (Stumoen) passed to the son of Abraham Gysler, deceased husb. of Maren K. |
jwiborg | Looks like you're right about that:
1865: owner: Hans Kjøstelsen Moe.
1886: owner: Hans Kjøstelsen.
1900: owner: Hans Kjostelsen Stuemoen, wife Thora Knudsdatter Stuemoen b.1844.
1955: owner: Finn R. Gysler.
//Jan Peter |
nucmedtek | Finn R. passed ownership to his son Finn-Chr. and he is the current owner of Stumoengard. I understand that he may pass ownership to his son Phillip soon.
I also found an old handwritten note (in Norse of course) that says a "gamle" Gysler was appointed as caretaker of Gripsholm Castle in Stockholm somewhere around 1834 (?).
That's about as well as I can translate it with my limited knowledge of Norse. I guess that may have well been Gulbrand who was the lensmann at the constitutional meeting of 1814. |