Marn Markuson and "Lisa" Jensdatter Hansen?
Kara IshiiI am trying to find out information on the siblings and parents of Marn Andrina (Brekke) Markuson/Markusen (wife of Jens E. Markuson/Markusen). Marn Andrina ("Maria") (b. 09 August 1847 in Maridalen, Christiana, Norway; came to NY from there with her husband-to-be Jens E. Markuson/Markusen in 1870) died at home of her sister, "Mrs. Hans (Liza) Brekke". Death certificate of "Mrs. Maria Markuson" states burial place as "South Trinity", burial date March 10, 1929. Parents: Jens Brakke and Anna Marie Mortensen/Mortensdatter, who was born in Norway. I found the name Hans O. Svensingen Brekke in a GEDCOM file on RootsWeb.com. The wife of Hans O. Svensingen Brekke--Elise Agneta (Lisa) Jensdatter Hansen-might be the sister of Marn (Brekke/Brakke) Markusen. The RootWeb.com GEDCOM file information says Lisa's father was Jens Hansen and that Lisa's mother's name was Anna Marie Mortensdatter. Lisa Jensdatter Hansen's husband, Hans Brekke, died in 1921. Are Marn and "Liza" (Lisa?) sisters? Do they have other siblings? Is the father's name Jens Brakke or Jens Hansen? Does anyone have information about Jens Hansen and Anna Marie Mortensdatter, for example, about their birth or death dates and locations? Kara D. (Kosmatka) Ishii
askeroiDear friend Pleas don't draw hasty conclusions like that. Your neme ending with Brekke doesn't impy anything but a connection to a farm called Brekke. And, as Brekke is a VERY common farmname, you are MORE thean lucky if they are sisters. Most probably they are not - probably even not connected to the same Brekke. On the other hand, there is a Maren Jensdatter 19 (going on 20) living on Brekke "sawmill" in Maridalen in the 1865 cencus. I can't guarantee, but this look very much like your "Marn": http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=arkivverket/ft1865/f60218a&variabel=0&postnr=4237&fulle=true&spraak=F askeroi
askeroiSorry about the missprints - it was done in a hurry during a short break at work. - My english isn't THAT bad... :-)) askeroi
Borge
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Sorry about the missprints - it was done in a hurry during a short break at work. - My english isn't THAT bad... :-)) askeroi
It is possible to edit you own posts by clicking the little pencil icon in the heading of the post. Børge Solem
askeroiEh.... WHAT "little pencil icon in the heading of the post??? askeroi
Kara IshiiThank you very much for the census information; it is another important piece in the puzzle. But it makes me think even more that they are sisters and this is why: The Rootsweb.com GEDCOM files says that Elise Jensdatter Hansen's father's name was Jens Hansen and that her mother's name was Anna Marie Mortensdatter, which is exactly what this census information says as well. Maren's age (whose spelling I did confirm is Maren and not Marn) would be about 18 in the 1865 census (b. August 9, 1847, in Maridalen, Christiana, Norway), and the Maren in this census is 20 (very close). How else can I tell if they are sisters? Kara D. (Kosmatka) Ishii
Kara IshiiAlso, I forgot to say that Maren Jensdatter Brekke's death certificate says her mother's name was Anne Marie Mortensen (an Anglicization of Mortensdatter, I presume)... Kara D. (Kosmatka) Ishii
Borge
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Eh.... WHAT "little pencil icon in the heading of the post??? askeroi
On the heading of your last post it says :Posted - 21/05/2002 : 16:14:45, then there are several small icons, one of them should be a small pencil and a "piece of paper". That is the icon I am talking about, and you will only see that icon on the posts you have made, because those are the only posts you can edit. Børge Solem
Kara Ishii
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On the other hand, there is a Maren Jensdatter 19 (going on 20) living on Brekke "sawmill" in Maridalen in the 1865 cencus. I can't guarantee, but this look very much like your "Marn": http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=arkivverket/ft1865/f60218a&variabel=0&postnr=4237&fulle=true&spraak=F askeroi
Am I correct in understanding, from this census information, that Jens Hansen's father's name was Hans Halstensen from Askers and his mother's name was Ingeborg Larsdatter from Liers? And that Jens' wife's mother's name was Marte Johnsdatter from Grans? If so, then Halsteen Xstens living in Ascher (1801 census) could be Hans' father (see http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=arkivverket/ft1801/f10220&postnr=2828&spraak=e, as they town seems to be right, the age seems to be right, and a son named Hans Halstensen is listed whose ages seems to be right. Does that sound reasonable or am I jumping to conclusions? I'll try the probate records as well... Thank you! Kara D. (Kosmatka) Ishii
askeroiDear Kara I can't see HOW you can find all that information in the enclosed 1801 census page??? You might have found the right Hans though I doubt it (he seems a bit young). 1801 to 1865 is a very long time, and in a period when people moved like never before. The 1865 census says Jens is born in Asker, but it doesn't say his father was born there. And even if he was - there's 145 Hanses under the age of 20 in Asker in the 1801 cencus. I can't see why you pich this particular one? If you're lucky the 1865-1875-1900 census can give you the right family - IF they stayed at the same farm OR their names are rare. But Jens and Hans are two of the most common names in Norway and, especially if they moved, won't leed to any conclusions at all. If it can comfort you I did the same kind of mistake when I was new to this: My grandmother came from Denmark to Drammen in Buskerud along with her parents and siblings. And stayed in Drammen untill marrying my grandfather. Conclusion: She met my grandfather in Drammen - he must have been living there. And born there. In 1864 - an ideal year for finding him in the 1865 cencus. And so I did, along with his parents and even his grandfather, which gave me his birthplace in one of the valleys. And I worked back to the 15th century with the help of a family history book for that district. And was very pleased with myself. Then one day I noticed that my grandfather - according to the 1900 census and a previous researcher of my grandmothers family - was born quite another place in Buskerud. More research revealed a direct move from that place to Oslo BEFORE my grandmother even came to Norway. They met in a dissenter church in Oslo - I had picked the wrong guy in the 1865 cencus!!! Back to square one... Hopefully this hasn't frightened you from working on - that was not my point!!! But jumping to conclusions can give you a very wrong family tree and give you very much unessesary work. Unfortunately there's no such family history book for Asker or Akershus - too many people - so I'm afraid you have to find them in the church books to get further back in this case. And beware - even the 1865 cencus people might be the wrong ones - even though they look very "fitting". I wish I could be more helpful... GOOD LUCK! askeroi
Kara IshiiThank you very much. That is what I wanted to know--how firm the information is and how much I can conclude from it. I also misunderstood the location after the person's name--I thought it meant where their father was from and not where they were from. So that is helpful to know. I also do not understand the following terms. Can you help me? What is the difference between Skoledistrikt, Sogn, and Prestegjeld? What are these categories? Yrke Sivilstand Alder Kjønn Fødested Stort kveg Bygg Blandkorn Erter Poteter What is the difference between Mand, Husfader, and Føderaadsmand? What do these terms mean? Tjenestepige, Tjenestekarl, Tjenestedreng, Logerende, Vandledningsarb, and Lægdslem ukonfir. Does "Konens Moder" mean "wife's mother" and "Deres børn" mean "their child"? What do these mean? Husmand med Jord Snedker, Gaardbruger og Forpagter, hjælper Faderen med Gaardsbruget, Selveier Jordbr Frihandler, Begge i 1te ægteskab Huusmand, Idst. har af Fattigvæsenet, Gaardbr Selveier Tømmermand, and Skomager. Thank you so much for your time. Kara D. (Kosmatka) Ishii
Stephanie BenoitMost of the words are here: http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/files/word.htm Stephanie
Kara IshiiThanks! Kara D. (Kosmatka) Ishii