Looking for Steffen Halvorsen and family
ladytaureanHello! I am looking for help on finding great-great-great grandparents, Steffen Halvorsen and Johanna(Ericksen or Eriksen)/Halvorsen..There children are as follows...Gunhild Mary or Marie Steffensen, Thea Steffensen, Sophia Steffensen, Nettie Steffensen, Eliza Steffensen, Carl Steffensen/Halvorsen, Hans Steffensen/Halvorsen, Andrew Steffensen/Halvorsen.Hans came to the U.S. between 1880 and 1881. He worked appoximately 3 yrs in Manistique,Michigan to save and send the money to Steffen and Johanna so they could come to Manistique,Michigan with the rest of the children.I am told Steffen, Johanna and the children arrived in the U.S. in 1883..I have tracked them in the census records in Manistique,Michigan but according to those census records from 1900 to 1930, the dates of their arrival to the U.S. say 1881, 1882,1883,1884, and 1885! I need some confimation as to the right date they came to the U.S. and what boat/ship/vessel, etc. they traveled on. Also, if anyone could help me find them in the census records in Norway, the help would be greatly appreciated. I do know Steffen was born in 1835 and Johanna Ericksen or Eriksen was born in 1836. Andrew Steffensen/Halvorsen, my great-great grandfater was born in 1870 if that is at all helpful. Thanks so much! Scarlet Krempetz
ninakarlsThis is the closest I get... in 1865 Sigdal Parish, farm Bjørndalsplads Steffen Halvors. Husf Gaardbrug og Selvei 36 m Sigdal Johanne Ellingsd. hans Kone 31 k Lier Gunhild Steffensd. deres Datter ug 8 k Sigdal Hans Steffens. deres Søn ug 7 m Sigdal Nethe Stiffensd. deres Datter ug 3 k Sigdal Eline Steffensd. deres Datter ug 1 k Sigdal And I found this bibliographical reference, though I've no idea where the book can be obtained: The Sigdalslag (Sixth book) 1949 : information about people from Sigdal, Eggedal, and Krødsherad in America and Norway / published by the Sigdalslag in 1949 ; edited and compiled by A.S. Aasand ; with assistance from Alfred Sivesin ; English translation by Rosella Goettelman. Published: 2001
ladytaureanThank you for your help...I had already found that in the digitalarkivet website. But I dont know how to prove it was them! Johanna's age in that particular census is off. She is suppose to be a little less than a year older then Steffen. I also know Steffen's father is a Halvor Kornelius Söja.. and I'm not quiet sure if Kornelius is spelled with a K or C. And I am still in need of help on finding the exact date that Steffen and his family came to the U.S. and what the name of the boat/vessel/ship they arrived on. Thank you so much! Scarlet Krempetz. Edited by - ladytaurean on 15/04/2003 17:16:57
ninakarlsHow about these, then? Emigration protocols of Oslo: 1883 203 14 6604a 19.07.83 20.07.83 Steffen Halvors. g Arb m 48 Modum New York Andersen Rollo Ppd. Johanne Halvors. g k 45 Mina Halvors. P. k 15 Andreas Halvors. B. m 11 Edvard Halvors. B. m 10 Thea Halvors. B. k 9 All from Modum, destination New York
ladytaureanI think thats them! The ages are a little different from the ones here listed on the headstones in Manistique, Michigan. U.S. All of the childrens names match..there is only 2 of the children missing from the info that you have given me, they may have went under the Steffensen name. Could you let me know where you found that information. I would like to print it out to keep for my records. Thank you so much! Scarlet Krempetz
ninakarlsDigitalarkivet, great website for searching Norwegian ancestors: http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebFront.exe?slag=vis&tekst=meldingar&spraak=e
ladytaureanYes I know! However I'm not having very good luck finding things i need to find! LOL I can get to the main page of the digitalarkivet website..however as far as manuvering around the website, i'm not very good at it yet...I spent 2 hours last night trying to find the Emigration protocols of Oslo! So how do i actually get to it from the main page? Your help to me is greatly appreciated! Scarlet Krempetz
ladytaureanI got it! Now my next question would be..Is Andersen Rollo the Name of the ship! It says Andersen is the Agent and Rollo is the Ship Co..If this is not the name of the Ship How do i go about finding it?...Thank you so much! Scarlet Krempetz
ninakarlsRollo seems to be the name of the ship that took them from Oslo to Hull, England Corresponding ships: http://www.norwayheritage.com/t_corresp.asp?id=1476
ladytaureanOK! That is so great!! Hull, England? What does that mean? Does that mean from there they took another ship to New York? When i clicked on the link in your last post it had indeed taken me to the corresponding ships..How do i find out which one they traveled on from there? Thank you so much Nina! Scarlet Krempetz
ladytaureanOK so i figured Hull is the town in England in which the ship docked and let them off? Then I am guessing from there they boarded another ship from there or possibly took a train to the next port? How do i go about finding how they got to New York? Thanks so much! Scarlet Krempetz
BriningThe list gives you possible ships they could have taken. To find out which ship you will have to search the microfilms of ships passenger arrivals. Since their destination is listed as New York, that is the port to start with. Click on the NARA link below and then immigration. That site should tell you how to get copies of the films. To read about Hull scroll down on the main page of this site (Norway Heritage) and there is an article about it. Carla Edited by - Brining on 04/03/2003 06:52:47
ladytaureanBut isnt there a away to find out what ship they took from England? I do have a Family History Center here in my home town, That i can view the microfilms! I would like to thank you Nina and Carla for all your help! Scarlet Krempetz
JIMScarlet: Where are the "Emigration Protocols" on the internet? (Or the Police Emigration Records)? Jim Thompson Maryland, USA
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Yes I know! However I'm not having very good luck finding things i need to find! LOL I can get to the main page of the digitalarkivet website..however as far as manuvering around the website, i'm not very good at it yet...I spent 2 hours last night trying to find the Emigration protocols of Oslo! So how do i actually get to it from the main page? Your help to me is greatly appreciated! Scarlet Krempetz
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But isnt there a away to find out what ship they took from England? I do have a Family History Center here in my home town, That i can view the microfilms! I would like to thank you Nina and Carla for all your help! Scarlet Krempetz
[url="http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_agent.asp?ag=haand"]Halfdan Andersen[/url] was the general agent of the Inman Line in 1883. He was authorized to convey emigrants via Hull to Liverpool and from there to New York and on to the final destinations in America. This points us in direction of the [url="http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=ciber"] S/S City of Berlin [/url]of the Inman Line, departing Liverpool and called at Queenstown 1883-07-27, arrived at New York 1883-08-04 with 670 passengers at 18:00 evening after crossing the Ocean in 7 days 1 hour and 15 min. I would check that list first! Børge Solem
ladytaurean[quote] Scarlet: Where are the "Emigration Protocols" on the internet? (Or the Police Emigration Records)? Jim Thompson Maryland, USA Jim, The Emigration Protocols can be found on: http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/ You can click on English to view this website in english. After that click on categories. Then click on Passenger resigters. Hope I was of some help. Scarlet
ladytaurean [/quote] [url="http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_agent.asp?ag=haand"]Halfdan Andersen[/url] was the general agent of the Inman Line in 1883. He was authorized to convey emigrants via Hull to Liverpool and from there to New York and on to the final destinations in America. This points us in direction of the [url="http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=ciber"] S/S City of Berlin [/url]of the Inman Line, departing Liverpool and called at Queenstown 1883-07-27, arrived at New York 1883-08-04 with 670 passengers at 18:00 evening after crossing the Ocean in 7 days 1 hour and 15 min. I would check that list first! Børge Solem Thanks so much Børge! Your suggestion has helped me narrow the corresponding ships for Rollo even more! I may not get to the Family History Center as of this week due to a death in the family, but I will let you know if i found them as soon as I am able to. I may need some insight as to where they went from New York. As I am told, they went to Minnesota, then to Wisconsin, then on to the Upper Penninsula to Manistique, Michigan. But I have no idea where to start after i find the ship they took to New York. I will get back with you as soon as i can. Thanks again! Scarlet Krempetz
ladytaurean[quote] I also know Steffen's father is a Halvor Kornelius Söja.. and I'm not quiet sure if Kornelius is spelled with a K or C. This is from one of my earilier posts....This is Steffen Halvorsen's father..my gggg-grandfather. Can anyone help me find some information on Halvor? I have found nothing! Thank you! Edited by - ladytaurean on 15/04/2003 17:21:05
BriningIf you go to the LDS site http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp Search for Halvor Corneliusen Click on Halvor Corneliusen OR Buskerudeie and when his record comes, click on family and you will get the whole family including Steffen. This family is from Modem and doesn't really match with Steffen in Sigdal. I did find the girls in Modem in the 1865 census but none of the boys. The records on the LDS are from individuals so could be errors there. The only way find out for sure is to go to the parish records and find them. Anyway this is another clue to follow. Carla
ladytaureanThanks Carla, I had found that info about a month ago. When I did a parent search for Karen Halvorsdatter(Steffen's sister)on the LDS website..It did pull up Halvor Kornelius Soja as her father and Gunhild Marie Skresvik as her mother...That information matches what I have in my family history book that was written by Karen's son, August Klagstad. But it says at the bottom on the LDS website, no source information is available! See when August wrote this Klagstad/Halvorsen history, he went in depth on the Klagstad side and not the Halvorsen side. Birth, marriage and death dates are missing on the Halvorsen side...Steffen is my ggg-grandfather. Karen is his sister. So I'm trying to fill in what August didnt on the Halvorsen side...Ok now being that the search for Halvor Corneliusen on the LDS website pulled up the exact names for his children that I have in my family history book...what I am wondering is where did Soja come from??? This is a big puzzle to me...If Buskerudie is the farm name that he took...then how did the name Soja come into play? So, if you know anyone that may help me, it would be greatly appreciated!! Thank you so much Carla.... Edited by - ladytaurean on 20/03/2003 06:35:38
BriningIt does get confusing, There is a Buskerud gard in Modum in the 1801 census with a Cornelius Stephensen and son Halvor Corneliusen [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=arkivverket/ft1801/f10623&postnr=3394&spraak=e"]Click Here[/url] Modum is also where I found Karen and Bolleta in the 1865 census. I don't know where søja comes from, when people moved to another gard the "last" name would change so it could be the name of a gard they lived on a one time. One possiblity is that you have two families with similar names (one in Modum and one in Sigdal??) and not related. To really get everything correct you should rent the kirkbøker (parish) records for Modum and Sigdal on microfilm from the LDS and find them there. The birth, death, confimation, and marriage records would be there and hopefully you can sort everything out. Good Luck Carla
ladytaureanYES! It is very confusing!! LOL I do have the 1801 census with Halvor Corneliusen at 3. I also have the 1865 census with Karen and Torger, and I did notice that Torger's last name was Kristensen, and the name of their gard was Klegstad..Hence Klagstad in the U.S. Karen and Torger came to the U.S. in 1871, and Steffen and Johanna came in 1883. And on the LDS website it came up Buskerudei or something like that LOL...I am wondering after the kids were grown and gone...Halvor and wife Gunhild went to a farm with the name Soja in it. And since I can't find Halvor or Gunhild in the 1865 census, I am thinking that they had already passed away by then. I do have to go to the Family history center to find out what ship Steffen and Johanna arrived on in New York, so I will add the Search for Halvor as well, and yes hopelfully I can get everything sorted out!!! Thank you for your help Carla...And if by chance you do find anything else..you can email me at ladytaurus67@aol.com
ladytaureanDoes anyone have access in finding farms? I am looking for a farm with the name Søja. My gggg-grandfather, Halvor Cornelius Søja is who Im looking for. I am under the assumption that his name was Halvor Corneliusen, then got the name Søja from a farm..He was born 1798. Any information would be appreciated! I did find Halvor in the 1801 census with his father Cornelius Stephensen, on a farm named Buskerud Herregaard. Halvor was 3yrs. I could not find Halvor in the 1865 census. Thank you! Scarlet Krempetz Edited by - ladytaurean on 26/03/2003 13:18:21 Edited by - ladytaurean on 31/03/2003 15:50:55
ladytaureanThis information I had found in my family history book that was written by August Klagstad (Klagstad/Halvorsen Family History)I thought if I wrote this here it might help someone to help me. "The Soja family was very large and relationship spread over the South and Eastern parts of Modum. They were a family of influence, but through misfortune of one cause or another poverty and hard work became their lot. They were employed in and around the Cobalt Mines and Smelter. Some of the women were emplyed at Modum's Bad, a health resort where people from many countries came for health." I found 2 small farms in the 1865 census that contained the name Søja, but none of the family I am looking for is in either of these: 1.Budskerud kaldet nordere Søja 2.Budskerud kaldet søndere Søja What I am trying to find out, is when my family was on a farm that contained the name Søja. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!! If anyone finds anything, please e-mail me if you would like.
BriningYou may want to try and contact the Buskerud Slektshistorielag http://www.buskerud.fylkesbibl.no/~bshl/Engelsk/buskeng.htm Maybe they can give you more info or tell you where to look Carla
ladytaureanThank You Carla! I will give that a try! I have been unable to find Halvor Corneliusen/Søja b 1798 or his wife Gunhild Svennsd./Svensd./Svendsd./Skresvik b 1803 in the 1865 census, so I am thinking both of them were deceased by then. I went to the LDS website and i wasnt able to pull a death date on either of them as well. If anyone has access to books that contain the deaths in Buskerud, I would greatly appreciate the help!
ladytaureanDoes anyone have any information on when the Cobalt mines were opened by the German Capitalists? In my family history book it says Cornelius Söja(father of Halvor Cornelius Söja) came up from Slesvik-Holstein during that time, but there is no specific date. In doing some research, I found that the Cobalt mines opened in 1773, but I'm not sure if that is when Cornelius came to Norway. Any help would be appreciated! Thank you! Scarlet Krempetz Edited by - ladytaurean on 16/04/2003 20:06:44 Edited by - ladytaurean on 06/05/2003 16:59:24
jwiborgHi Scarlet, the cobalt in Modum was discovered in 1772, but mining didn't start until the year after. Baron W.C. Benneche from Berlin, Germany, buys the works in 1823. Maybe this is the year you're looking for...? Check out the history of Blaafarveværket ("Bluecolorfactory") [url="http://webbuilder.allra.com/blaa/default.asp?sprk=2"] here.[/url] Jan
ladytaureanJan, Thank you for your efforts but I had already found the information some time ago..and even the website that you put in your post. Thats how I new that they actually opened in 1773. If you can find out if there was a farm with the name(I found it spelled several different ways) Söja, Söyen, Söjen, Söia. Specifically in the years between 1765-1827. I found my gggg-grandfather(Halvor Corneliusen) in the 1801 census for Modum listed under Buskerud Herregard, and I am told Herregard means "manor" So there were several sub-farms there. I was hoping someone might be able to look that up for me! I would greatly appreciated!
jwiborgHi again, Scarlet. I found these two farms in the 1865-census for Modum, Buskerud: [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f60623&variabel=0&postnr=5549&fulle=true&spraak=e"]"Budskerud kaldet nordere Søia"[/url] and [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f60623&variabel=0&postnr=5557&fulle=true&spraak=e"]"Budskerud kaldet søndere Søia"[/url]. The owner of nordere Søia is widow Karen Dorthea Hansdatter. The owner of søndere Søia is cottar Anders Andersen. The farm names means "Buskerud benefice northern/southern Søia". I'm not sure what Søia means, but the norw. word "søye" is an ewe, a femal sheep... Maybe? Could one of them be the farm you're looking for? The [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f10623&variabel=0&postnr=3394&fulle=true&spraak=e"]1801-census[/url] says that Cornelius Stephensen has his own's cotter's farm, but no name is mentioned. Could it be that he later named this farm "Søia"? ...and here is [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f00623&variabel=0&postnr=7771&fulle=true&spraak=e"]"nordere Søia"[/url] in the 1900-census. It's now called just "Søya". Jan
jwiborgHi again, I just realized that you have mentioned those two farms in an earlier message... But I believe you should investigate more about those farms, it could happen that the farm was sold to these persons after Halvor Corneliusen and wife died... And you've maybe allready seen this, but still;
  • [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=EMIOSLO&variabel=0&postnr=56237&fulle=true&spraak=e"]Hans Steffensen[/url] left Oslo, headed for New York on 01-JUL-1881.
  • [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=EMIOSLO&variabel=0&postnr=65415&fulle=true&spraak=e"]Netta Steffensen[/url], headed for Mackenac on 02-OCT-1885.
  • [url="http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=EMIOSLO&variabel=0&postnr=132751&fulle=true&spraak=e"]Karl Steffens[/url], headed for Boston on 15-MAR-1901. He is already a US citizen by then, so this is just prob a trip back home...
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ladytaureanJan, Thank you again for your help..I was aware of the farms listed in the 1865 census, however I'm not sure if those people listed are any relation as of yet...As far as the Söjen, Söia, Söyen, Söja name...Im finding it as early in 1762 in births records of my family, specifically god parents are using that name. So what I am thinking is that the farm was sold to my family and thats how they aquired the name. Since the 1801 census does not break down all the subdivisions of Buskerud Herregard, do you know where I might find that information? I'm really wanting to know when they actually bought the farm. Thanx again for any help!!
tdchasiri don't mean to freak anyone out, but my name is Steffen Halvorsen. I'm named after great-great-great-great grandpa Steffen. I'm the great great great grandson of Andrew Halvorsen. My grandfather is Joe Halvorsen and my father is Joe Halvorsren. Scarlet, are you from around Michigan?