researching Austin Sanderson in Bukka Tin Norway
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Topic author: MAJA520S
Subject: researching Austin Sanderson in Bukka Tin Norway
Posted on: 05/05/2008 10:05:28
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Hi
I am looking for info on the following family Austin Sanderson born 14 Aug 1836 son of Helge Sanderson born Abt. Mar 1794 and Adalaide Knutson Abt. Nov 1793.
They immigrated to the USA between 1843 and 1848
Austin had the following siblings all born in Norway,
1.) Sander Hilyeson Sanderson born 1825
2.) Lavina Sanderson born 13 Jan 1827
3.) Knute Sanderson 1born 5 Oct 1829
4.) Margaret Sanderson Born 18 Sep 1833
5.) Helen Sanderson born May 1839
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Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 05/05/2008 11:10:21
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They emigrated 1843 from Atrå sub parish in Tinn parish in Telemark County, right hand, from farm Marum #24-31
Hølje (Helge) Sondresen Marum (Bakka) age 47 and his wife Aslaug Knudsdatter age 41.
Children: Sondre Høljesen Marum age 18, Liv Høljesdatter age 16, Knud Høljesen age 13, Margit Høljesdatter age 10,5, Østen Høljesen age 7, Helge Høljesdatter age 4.
Hølje is local for Helge.
Hølje Sondresen was from Bakka, Aslaug Knudsdatter was from Lofthuus when she married, they married in Atrå church June 30. 1826.
Bachelor Hølje Sondresen Bakka age 28 and maid Aslaug Knudsdatter Lofthuus age 22.
Best men: Gjermund Sondresen Bakka and Halvor Knudsen Daalen #7
Atrå in Tinn is located to the north-eastern part of Telemark County at Lake Tinnsjø
Østen was born in Tuddal sub parish August 12. 1836 in Hjartdal parish and municipality (south-west of Tinn) and bap. in Tuddal church on Sept.25. Østen was bap. at home the same day he was born
#11
Østen (Høljesen/Sandersen in USA) born to farmer Hølje Sondresen and houswife Aslaug Knudsdatter Hovde.
Godparents: Eli and Halvor Hovde, Knud and Margit Hovde, Gunnil Hans?datter.
It looks like they settled down in Tuddal for a periode, because both of Østen´s parents were born in Tinn, Hølje March 16. 1796 on Bakkejord and Aslaug in 1802 on Lofthuus.
Kåre
Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 05/05/2008 12:06:56
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Parish records for Tinn, Telemark that you'll be able to research in go back as far as at least 1717.
There are also published book(s) about the area that contain history and genealogy information - "Tinn-Soga", 2 volumes by H.H. Einung; "Tinns emigrasjonshistorie 1837-1907: En undersøkeles med saerlig vekt på den demografiske, økonomiske og sosiale bakgrunn for Amerikafarten, og en statistisk analyse av selve utvandringen", by Andres A. Svanlestuen.
There are also a number of persons with ancestry from Tinn that are very involved with the Telelaget group - http://www.telelaget.com/
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/articles.html
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 05/05/2008 14:01:20
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Follow Hopkins instructions, its very exiting to make lookups for yourself in these church books.
Start with Østen´s sister Margit Høljesdatter christened oct. 2. 1832 in Atrå church.
Here is the Testing Forum if you want to share the links with us.
Kåre
Reply author: MAJA520S
Replied on: 05/05/2008 15:29:06
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Is there a way to Download these images? Or to copy and paste? Or are they copyrighted?
I can print them but then they are to small to read and if I scan them to enlarge they are to blurry.
Thanks
Reply author: MAJA520S
Replied on: 05/05/2008 15:33:52
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Well.. I have looked at the links and get very frustrated that I cannot read Norwegian. It's all foreign to me! I wouldn't know that's what I'm looking for if I were starring right at it. The names are different than here in US and the birth years seem to be a couple years off.
I don't think any of these people knew how old they were when they came to the US.
I'm looking for the date Helen was born.
No wonder I can't find them on a ships list!
Thanks, Jodie
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 05/05/2008 16:30:09
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To copy fom a church book can be difficult, espesially if the girls are on the right page.
Reduse the image zize on top of the page, the problem is they are getting almost to small to red.
Perhapse someone can help you here, this isn´t acually "my table"
No wonder it can be hard to look for a person, sometimes the names changed a lot, and this family all changed to the fathers last name Sondresen (Sanderson) which was normal when they settled down in USA.
Traditional naming in Norway was used until about 1900,
an example:
If Østen Høljesen (Austin Sanderson) had stayed in Norway his son would have been Østensen and his daughter would have been Østensdatter.
Helge Høljesdatter (Helen Sanderson) was born on Marum in Atrå-Tinn Mai 22. 1839 and bap. June 20.
Parents Hølje Sondresen and Aslaug Knudsdatter Narum, RIGHT HAND #9
Godparents: Anne Olsdr. Bakka, Margit Gjermundsdater (Bakka), Gjermund Sondresen (Bakka), Ole Johnsen Sandvigen
Kåre
Reply author: Lester Hanson
Replied on: 05/05/2008 17:48:45
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I'll try and expain the Imaging process. I think Hopkins has the directions, which he always posts to help people.
I only use the English version.
When you have a digitised parish record open, their is a menu bar at the top which has a caption Image Information and a box that says None with a down arrow. Click on the down arrow and select On Top
Three URL address options will appear, as below:
Source information: Telemark county, Atrå in Tinn, Parish register copy nr. I 1 (1815-1850), Marriage records 1824, page 198.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7938&idx_id=7938&uid=ny&idx_side=-137
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061211340499.jpg
If you highlight and copy the top address, you can save the image to your computer files, which gives the parish info, dates, etc.
If you highlight and copy the second address, this will allow you to paste this image to another document, as it becomes a hyperlink.
The third address is used to copy the image to your computer, and can be filed to your image programs such as a Photo Gallery. If you try and hyperlink this one, the file is not permanent and will disappear. When you select this address, just hit Enter or Click on it, and it will disappear and come back as a reduced image, for you to enter into your computer by selecting the File menu. When you are done with this image, select the top left arrow, and you will be back where you started from.
Les
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 05/05/2008 18:09:09
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They sailed on ship Argo via Havre and arrieved New York on July 26. 1843, passengers #31-38
Also passengers #49-57 and 114-115 was from Marum in Tinn.
The Sodresen family were also listes as Marum (Bakka), could be relatives.
Kåre
Reply author: MAJA520S
Replied on: 05/05/2008 18:22:25
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Thank-you, Les,
I think I figured it out. I was wondering why it had a mind of it's own! Some things I could copy and some I couldn't! Hopefully this will work. Thanks again.
Thank-you Kare for the above info. With those names I was able to find the Ship List for them.
Jodie
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 05/05/2008 18:39:40
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Here is a old record, it show Høljes christening record in Atrå church 1796, not so hard to read, right hand bottom 12.
16. Marty Attraae 12. Sondre og Margit Bakkas Søn Hølje
March 16. Atrå 12. Sondre and Margit Bakkas Son Hølje
Godparents: Kari and Jon Ormsjorden, Gunil and Niels Flaaten, Hølje Bakka
Høljes parents Sondre Bakka was Sondre Gjermundsen Bakka and Margit Bakka was Margit Østensdatter.
Kåre
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 05/05/2008 19:23:48
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Thats perhaps why Hølje settled down on Marum, his older brother Østen Sondresen christened Nov. 8. 1789 inherit Bakka.
Østen Sondresen Bakka age 48, his wife Aase Olsdr age 43 and 7 children, Kari, Margit, Aagot, Helge, Sondre, Aase and Ole emigrated to USA in 1837, right hand #20-28
LDS records has both Østen Sondresen and Aase Olsdr died in Winter/Spring, Beaver Creek Settlement, Iroquois, Illinois in 1837 -38 (cant be -37). What happened to the children?
Have you ever heard of them?
Kåre
Reply author: MAJA520S
Replied on: 06/05/2008 02:45:40
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Austin's obit states that his mother Adalaide Knutson had a brother living here when they came
No I haven't heard of an Iroquois County connection. YET... The family I am working on this for states that they have heard they have Native American in there somewhere but they don't know where or if it's true. Iroquois and Cherokee are the two Tribes mentioned. I always use LDS with caution. My own family is listed in there and in Rootsweb with faulse info. People seem to post things on assumtion without good solid source info.
Jodie
Reply author: MAJA520S
Replied on: 06/05/2008 05:23:22
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Østen Sondresen Bakka age 48, his wife Aase Olsdr age 43 and 7 children, Kari, Margit, Aagot, Helge, Sondre, Aase and Ole emigrated to USA in 1837, right hand #20-28
I found them on a ships list in 1837 on Bark Niord. Østen dropped Sondresen and kept Bakka as a surname. So I am guessing from your posting above on LDS that he did keep the Sanderson surname?
Østen Sondresen Bakka age 48, would his US name be Austin?
Aase Olsdr age 43 Who would she be?
Kari, would she stay with Carrie?
Margit, would she be Margaret?
Aagot, ????????
Helge, would he stay Helge?
Sondre, would this be Sanders?
Aase ?????????????
Ole I'm assuming he would stay Ole?
Thanks, Jodie
Also I have another name but I don't have enough info yet to go on. If a US name was Baker. Where do you think they might oringinate from in Norway? All I have in Ole C Baker. Not much to go on. All I know is he was 4 to 6 years old when he came to US in between 1850 and 1852. I don't know who his parents are.
Jodie
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 06/05/2008 07:36:19
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Sorry, but Baker dont give me much at the moment.
Here is the link to the Sondresen family in Beaver Creek, USA
Kåre
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 06/05/2008 09:34:22
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I always use other links with caution, more as a supplement.
The church records has the key, but not all records are listed.
Let´s see if we can take this family further back.
Sondre Bakka and Margit Østensdatter married 3. Sunday after Easter (April 16.) 1780 in Atrå, down page 2. from bottom #5
Atraa 5 Bachelor Sondre Gjermundsen Bakken and maid Margits Østensdatter.
Cautionister (guarantors): Niels Flaaten and Knud Luraas
The wedding (last column) was on Mai. 31.
Sondre Gjermundsen and Margit Østensdatter on Bakka in 1801, 7 children. Sondre was born about 1753 (no records available) and Margis was born about 1758. There were two subfarms under Bakka.
Sondre Gjermundsen Bakka died 1811 and was buried Mai. 23 in Atrå.
23. Maj Gravfested (Buried) Gaardmand (farmer) Sondre Gjermundsen Bakka died Mai 10. age 58, right hand down about 2/3
Margit was from Svalestuen in Atrå and was bap. Dominica 3. Ephiphan (Sunday Jan 7. or 1. Sunday after Hellige Tre Konger/Threee Wise Men) 1759
Østen Svalestuens and Kari Kittilsdatters Datter (Daughter) named Margit #6
Kåre
Reply author: MAJA520S
Replied on: 06/05/2008 15:17:00
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Wow! The link on Beaver Creek was a nice article. Good find!
Jodie
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 06/05/2008 22:52:55
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Sometimes it´s Bingo, perhaps a reunion after 170 years for the Sondresen´s from Bakka in Tinn.
I have a question out of this topic for all viewers, if you don´t mind, since Tinn is mentioned.
Gro Olsdatter Gryte born July 7. 1826 in Tinn emigrated 1855 to USA. Gro married Ole Johnsen (Johannesen) Deilda/ Hjartsjø b. Mai. 30. 1816 in Hjartdal in Telemark after he became a widower in 1862. They both died in 1866.
Someone in USA has been seeking these persons for some time.
Do you want more records from Tinn? I can take lookups in "Tinnsoga" to confirm the LDS records, and perhaps bring up some new names.
Kåre
Reply author: MAJA520S
Replied on: 07/05/2008 05:07:28
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Sure we can see what comes up.
Reply author: MAJA520S
Replied on: 08/05/2008 01:56:14
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If an obit here states they were born in Tyn, Norway. Would that be Tinn? The same as the Sanderson's?
Jodie
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 08/05/2008 07:28:21
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Tyn sounds like Tinn.
The only simulare to Tyn to my knowledge is Lake Tyin in the western, central part of Oppland county at the border of Sogn og Fjordane.
It would hardly be shorten: Tyn for Tynset, a parish and municipality in Hedmark county.
We also two farms named Tinne and Tinnes in Hitterdal parish (Heddal) in Telemark county south of Tinn parish
The letter i in Tinn is pronounced like the short i in tit (peak)
My guess so fare, Tyn is Tinn.
Do you have any names?
Kåre
Reply author: MAJA520S
Replied on: 08/05/2008 15:50:05
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The name Baker I asked about earlier,
Ole C Baker born: 14 Apr 1846 his obit states born in Tyn Norway. He came to America in 1850 with his parents at abt age 4. He came with 3 sisters and 1 brother. One sister here in the US (His Obit) states her name was Julia.
Ole died in 1924 and she was the only survivor mentioned.
His obit states that he was left an Orphan when he was 8 years old and at 9 years old he was left to make it in the world on his own. I found him in a 1860 US Census working as a farm hand on a farm. He ended up being a very successful farmer in the area.
Could be the other siblings died before he did or they all left the area and never had more contact with each other.
I have been trying to find a ship but haven't had any luck yet. But with the way they change names!!! Who knows?
Thanks, Jodie
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 08/05/2008 18:14:24
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I have one in Tinn, he could match almost perfect, he was born April 12. 1846 and christened April 19. 1846. Ole K. Bakka
Ole K could be Ole C. Could Bakka be Baker?
Worth a try.
Ole Kittilsen Bakka: Parents Kittil Ols and Gro Herbjørnsdatter Bakka #9
They emigrated Mai 1. 1850:
Kittil and Gro Bakka, Ole age 4 and Herbjørn age 2, #13
Kåre
Reply author: MAJA520S
Replied on: 09/05/2008 04:02:03
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Yes Kare, It does look like it could match. In this case maybe they kept the farm name insteard of the father's name. But I wonder what happened to the other children? Maybe I can find them on a ships list. What would Herbjørn be in America? Herb? IIs the 2 year old male?
Thanks, Jodie
Reply author: MAJA520S
Replied on: 09/05/2008 05:57:55
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I could only find one other Baker in our census. I found a Peter O Baker born Jun 1858 62 years old that immigrated in 1850.
I wonder if this could be one of his brothers?
There are 2 common names with both Baker's
Peter's son is Orrin M.
Ole C. Baker's son is Newton Orrin
I couldn't find them on a ships list
Jodie
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 09/05/2008 07:53:52
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Kittil Olsen Bakka and Gro Herbjørnsdatter Høyseth (Hovin sub parish) married Feb. 22. 1846 and Herbjørn was born June 2. 1848 so they only had two sons when the emigrated in 1850.
Ole as oldest son was named after his fathers father Ole Knudsen Bakka and and Herbjørn after his mothers father Herbjørn Olsen Høiseth (traditional naming in Norway).
If they got any daughters and kept up the traditions (could they have born in USA?) they would have been named after they grandmothers.
Hard to say what Herbjørn could be in USA, some Amerkanized the name 100%, but most kept the initials.
It looks like Kittils mother was Helga/Helge.
Gros mother not found. Gro Herbjørndatter was half a year older than Kittil (born 1817) when she married him, but 4 years younger when she emigrated according to the church records.
Perhaps Hovin- or Tinn soga will tell?
Kåre
Reply author: MAJA520S
Replied on: 14/05/2008 20:32:37
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Hi Kåre
I'm getting all of the records and info enetered into the family file. I have a question on
Hølje Sondresen was from Bakka, Aslaug Knudsdatter was from Lofthuus when she married, they married in Atrå church June 30. 1826.
Bachelor Hølje Sondresen Bakka age 28 and maid Aslaug Knudsdatter Lofthuus age 22.
Best men: Gjermund Sondresen Bakka and Halvor Knudsen Daalen #7
The year on #7 seems to be 1824. Were they married in 1824 or 1826?
Thanks, Jodie
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 14/05/2008 21:15:52
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Hi Jodi,
you are right, 1826 was a wrongspelling, sorry.
They married June 30.1824.
Lofthuus means a house with rooms in the first floor, likely after an expansion of the building.
Dif.spellings for Lofthuus in Atrå/Tinn
Here is Bakka mentioned in a old document from March 24.1487.
Thord Gunleiksen certify that his parents exchanged the farms Gjerder and Rud in Flesberg parish and a part "8 løbsland" in Bakka in Tinn with Ketil Arnesen.
The original of this documenet is kept in Norske Riksarkiv, the seals are missing.
Daalen/Dalen means Valley, Bakka means Slope.
I still have some information from Tinnsoga to investigate in Statsarkivet, need some time.
Kåre
Reply author: MAJA520S
Replied on: 14/05/2008 22:31:31
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Hi Kåre
You posted
Sondre Gjermundsen and Margit Østensdatter on Bakka in 1801, 7 children. Sondre was born about 1753 (no records available) and Margis was born about 1758. There were two subfarms under Bakka.
Why do you think they didn't take the Sondreson last name? and are all named Gjermundsen?
Thanks, Jodie
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 14/05/2008 23:11:41
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You are very observant, I didn´t notice that in the 1801 census for Bakka, it was "to obvious" to me.
It seems like a wronspelling from the priest or his assistant.
Sondre Gjermundsens children should have been Sondresen or Sondresdatter for last name.
It would have been Gjermundsen in USA (as immigrants), the same last name as the father Sondre Gjermundsen, Wasn´t that normally?
Thats what happend in USA when Hølje Sondersen and his family emigrated in 1843, all the children was christened Høljesen as last name but changed to the fathers last name in USA, Sondresen/Sanderson.
Kåre
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 14/05/2008 23:54:17
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Sondre Gjemundsens birth record from about 1754 dont exist, but we have his confirmation record from Mai. 9.1771 in Artå church. Sondre Gjermundsen Backen 18 aar , that should be born about 1755, 3. column top #8
We also have his father Gjermunds death record.
Gjermund Bakka was buried in Atrå on Nov. 20. 1761, age 44, right hand top #42
Kåre
Reply author: MAJA520S
Replied on: 15/05/2008 03:07:55
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I started a new topic on Ole C Baker so I can keep the family lines easier for me to keep track of
Thanks, Jodie
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 15/05/2008 14:27:58
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Good luck with your new Topic.
I´ll bring up some more records from Tinnsoga in addition to the LDS records.
Margit Østensdatter Svalestuen born 1759 was born to Østen Herbjørnsen Svalestuen born about 1739 and Karen Kittilslsdatter born on Nordre (Northern) Luraas and christened Oct. 2. 1732 in Atrå, right hand 11. and 12. line from top (hard to read):
Kittil Luuraas barn kaldet (child named) Karij
Karis parents were Kittil Sigurdsen born about 1698- dead 1750 and Kari Olsdatter Luraas born about 1700 -dead 1750. These dates are likely coming from the probateregisters, not online yet, will be within 2014, since the records from 1730-57 seems to have vanished.
Østen Herbjørnsen baught Svalestuen from his brother Ole in 1753, he died in 1779, age 51, and was buried in Atrå July 21:
21de July Attraa 23 Østen Svalestuen 51: aar. left hand down #23
Kittil Sigudsen was born to Sigurd Halvorsen Luuraas and Sønstebø and unknown mother.
Kari Olsdatter Luuraas was born to Ole Knudsen and Aslaug Olsdatter. Ole Knudsen baught Luuraas in 1717
Østen Herbjørnsen Svalestuen was born to Herbjørn Hansen Jønsrud and Svalestuen born about 1688 and Margit Sigurdsdatter about 1690-1734 (probate register from 1734). Herbjørn Hansen died 1760 and was buried in Attraa, right hand page 403 :
Dom 3d p. Trinit Attraae 37 Herbjørn Hansen Svalestuen gl. 72 aar: Sunday June 22. Atrå, 37, Herbjørn Hansen Svalestuen age 72, #37
Svalestuen, the origin, must have been a special house named after a "Svalgang", an "outher hall" surrounding the house or mainly the front by the entrance. This photo from Borgund Stavkirke show a Svalgang
Kåre
Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 16/05/2008 00:31:54
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There is another person asking members of the Norway-List on RootsWeb for help with the SAME family! Perhaps if you join forces with the poster there named Dave Churness you can save yourselves some duplicative effort.
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NORWAY/2008-05/1210689555
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