LOST: Birthe Olesen and Christian Andricksen

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Topic author: Gayle Bright
Subject: LOST: Birthe Olesen and Christian Andricksen
Posted on: 22/07/2008 23:16:16
Message:

Birthe Olesen travelled on the Ruapehu to NZ in 1887 with her 5 children. Her husband Christian Andricksen was supposedly already in New Zealand, but I can find no record relating to his arrival. Birthe travelled under her single name. According to family legend, he did not meet their ship and was never found. I would be grateful for any hints on where to look. Is anyone researching the following families in New Zealand.
Olesen, Andricksen, Larsen, Vollheim.

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Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 24/07/2008 01:25:30
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Birthe Olsdatter was from Sylling sub parish in Lier in Buskerud county north of Drammen town.

She and 5 children, Karen Johanne born 1871, Olava born 1872, Anette born 1875, Ole born 1877 and Kristian born 1881 emigratet in 1887, dest. "Ny.Seland" New Zealand on Feb. 10, #2-3-4-5-6-7
Birthe was a widow when she emigrated, that explain everything.

The name of the father was Andreas Christiansen, he and Birthe Olsdatter married Dec. 26. 1870 in Sylling church in Lier, Bachelor Andreas Christiansen Hørte eie age 21 1/4 and maid Birthe Olsdatter Svang, age 25 2/3 , his father was Christian Hansen and her father was Ole Knudsen, place of living for Andreas and Birthe: Hans Sylling (a farm in Sylling) 7 &8 line from bottom.

The date of the wedding (2. juledag- 2. Christmasday- Dec. 26. 1870) is from the birth record to the oldest daughter Karen Johanne born Mai. 11. 1871, #85

The records for Lier

Kåre

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 24/07/2008 21:12:23
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Already in 1881 the family desided to emigrate from Syllingeie in Lier, on Feb. 2 "Vaaren -81" Spring -81 they were recorded in the church book for Queensland Australia, right page #1-2-3-4-5-6
What kept them? Mai. 9. same spring Kristen in the 1887 migration record was born on Syllingeie and christened Mai 26 #77

Birthe/Berthe Olsdatter was born March 15. and christened March 29. on Fuglerudeie in Sylling sub parish, Lier.
Parents were Ole Knutsen and Berte Johanne Borgersdatter Fuglerudeie (a sub farm under Fuglerud in Lier) #47

Kåre

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 24/07/2008 21:47:35
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Fuglerud, bottom page has information about Berte and her family on Fuglerudenga, a sub farm under Fuglerud.....about 1860 Ole Knutsen Saga-Horn 1817-1885 married to Berte Johanne Borgersdatter born about 1820, she died 1865, settled down on the farm. Children: Berte (married to Andreas Christiansen Syllingeie), Knut, Johan, Hans, Andreas, ingeborb, Marie.
Ole settled down on Syllingeie within 1875.

Syllingeie was a sub farm under Vestre Sylling named Kyllerud (Andreas married as Andreas Christiansen Kyllerud in 1870), down page about 90%.
A summary:
......."det var vistnok på" it was on Kyllerud (Syllingeie) Andreas Christensen born 1849 on Runsevoll under Hørte (Hørteeie) settled down about 1871. Children: Karen Johanne, Olava, Anette, Ole, Kristen. In 1881 the family emigrated to Queensland Australia (wrong information).

Kåre

Reply author: Gayle Bright
Replied on: 28/02/2009 22:43:27
Message:

Many, many thanks Kaarto for your response to my enquiry.
I have only just found it while "Googling" Christian Andricksen, so my apologies for not getting back to you sooner!!

I wondered why Birthe travelled under her "maiden" name. Would she have done that because she was widowed? They were all schooled and married in N.Z. under the name of Andricksen.

Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 01/03/2009 02:15:50
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In Norway according to tradition a woman did not change her name when she married. So perhaps your "Birthe" was just staying with the tradition she knew her entire life.

http://www.norwayheritage.com/norwegian-names.htm
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/na12.html
http://www.nndata.no/home/jborgos/names.htm

Reply author: Gayle Bright
Replied on: 01/03/2009 03:59:35
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Thank you for that information. I didn't realise they didn't change their name. Her children all went under Andricksen in N.Z. and she was buried using the name Andricksen.

Reply author: Peter Andricksen
Replied on: 29/03/2009 23:09:42
Message:

Gayle and Kare
I am a decendant of Birthe Andricksen and can't thank you enough for posting this information. My siblings and I have tried to find more information but always hit a dead end. This is now more than we have ever known. From your experience how difficult would it now be to trace decendants in Norway?
Gayle are we possibly related somehow? I assume this is why you have been researching?
Peter

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 30/03/2009 07:33:53
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Just to make certain names are correct, I bring up the baptismal record of Berte Olsdatters husband Andreas Christensen (not Christiansen), see #148 who was born Aug 29 1849 and baptized Sept 23 in Sylling church, his parents were Chresten (Christen) Hansen and Kari Christensdatter, Hørte Eie.
Berte Olsdatters baptismal record is #47 she was born March 15 1846 and baptized March 29 in Sylling church, her parents were Ole Knutsen and Berte Johanne Borgersdatter, Fuglerudeie. Ole and Berte Johanne were married Oct 12 1845, see #33
Oles father was Knut Iversen, Hornseie and Berte Johannes father was Borger Olsen i Eger (Eiker).
Ole Knutsen was born April 16 1817, see #35 he was baptized May 18 in Sylling church and his parents were Knut Iversen and Berte Hansdatter, Horns Eie.
Knut Iversen, nordre Dragseie and Birte Hansdatter, Brevig were married April 29 1803, see #15.
Knut (Knud) was born Dec 21 1776 and baptized Dec 25, see last record for 1776 on right hand
page
his parents were Iver Knudsen and Birte Olsdatter, Horn. In 1801 Iver and Birte were on Drag Nordre.
Birte Hansdatter was born Sept 19 1778 and baptized Sept 24, see #113 her parents were Hans Christensen and Mari Tostensdatter, Brevig.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 30/03/2009 08:39:39
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Berte Johanne Borgersdatter was born Sept 18 1820 and baptized Oct 15, see #107 her parents were Borger Olsen and Ingeborg Jonsdatter.
Borger Olsen, Hvidsten and Ingeborg Jonsdatter, Darbu were married Jan 12 1815, see #9
Borger, and his siblings, with their parents Ole Olsen and Marthe Borgersdatter in 1801
Borger was born November 30 1790, see #2 left hand page.
Ingeborg Jonsdatter is most likely born Oct 26 1791, see right hand page her parents being Jon Olsen Lunde and Birthe Cathrine Jørgensdatter.
Jon Olsen Lunde and Birthe Cathrine Jørgensdatter baptized a daughter Ingeborg in febr 1790 (must have died).
Ole Olsen and Marthe Borgerdatter, Wale were married May 11 1783, see last couple on left hand page

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 30/03/2009 19:51:29
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Peter, click on Gayle and send her a short message.
Let´s hope relatives in Norway find this forum, I have searched for family trees in varius spellings without any luck.

Meanwhile I can bring you Lier municipality, your folks came from Sylling sub parish in the south-eastern part of Lake Tyrifjorden, see map for Buskerud County abowe, and the church ceremonies was taken place in Sylling church build 1852.

Kåre

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 30/03/2009 23:17:03
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Berte Olsdatter had a brother Knut, born June 8 1848, see #70
and a brother Johan born Febr 4 1851, see #46
another brother, Erik was born July 3 1853, see #132
the brother Bernt was born Dec 18 1854, see #14
the brother Hans was born Sept 28 1856, see #168
the brother Andreas was born Aug 6 1858, see #158
the sister Ingeborg Marie was born May 31 1861, see #118
In 1865 only Andreas and Ingeborg were living with the father who was then a widower. The brothers were on relief at other farms.
Fuglerudenga
Birthe Johanne Borgersdatter had died of pneumonia April 16 1865, see #35

Reply author: Peter Andricksen
Replied on: 07/04/2009 02:00:31
Message:

Hi Kåarto
contacted Gayle - she is my second cousin, and her daughter works for the same company here in Auckland!
Thanks for the info
Peter

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Originally posted by Kåarto

Peter, click on Gayle and send her a short message.
Let´s hope relatives in Norway find this forum, I have searched for family trees in varius spellings without any luck.

Meanwhile I can bring you Lier municipality, your folks came from Sylling sub parish in the south-eastern part of Lake Tyrifjorden, see map for Buskerud County abowe, and the church ceremonies was taken place in Sylling church build 1852.

Kåre

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Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 07/04/2009 14:10:45
Message:

Hi Peter,
I am happy for you, its a small world.
I have been reading and seen from pictures that coming to southern New Zealand for a Norwegian is like coming home.

From June to November we import a lot of Kiwifruit from N.Z, taste delicious.

Much of the fruit and vegetables in Norway comes from Lier, driving through Lier valley a vinter night, its almost lightened up by all the greenhouses, it looks beautiful.

Don´t be afraid to ask if you have some questions.

Have a wondeful Easter.

Kåre

Reply author: Gayle Bright
Replied on: 14/04/2009 03:53:44
Message:

Hi Kare,
I have just found locally a reference to Birthe's arrival in NZ where it states Occupation or Calling - "To Husband." I also found the marriage announcement of my Grandmother Olava where it is stated she is the daughter of Christian Andricksen. This was in 1902. Both of these entries imply that the Father was still alive. The entry you found where it said Birthe was a widow- is it possible there had been a separation and that she said "widowed" to "save face"?

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 14/04/2009 10:52:10
Message:

That make more sence Gayle and correspond with the information you gave in the first posting.

There could be many reasons for that Christopher did not show up in NZ 1887, or because she emigrated as a widow. Letters could have dissapeared, questions from neighbors etc.
Berte Olsdatter seems to have been a strong and determined woman taking her children with her to the opposite part of the globe.

Kåre

Reply author: Gayle Bright
Replied on: 14/04/2009 11:12:36
Message:

Hi Kare,
Yes they must have been very brave. I do know that Berthe's brother Johan Olsen was her Nominator for the Vogel Scheme, but still no sign of her husband. Johan had land not far away from where I am now living! Unfortunately from what I have found out recently - I'm not sure they were any better off coming to N.Z. Life here was very, very hard for them in those days and Birthe in particular.

Reply author: Colleen Pallesen
Replied on: 18/04/2009 13:45:01
Message:

I am Anette Vollheim's (nee Andricksen) great granddaughter and have been researching this branch of the family for a while. My husband, son and I visited Sylling this time last year. Such a lovely spot - I would love to go again now that I know what farms the family were on. From my research it looks like the whole family were going to go to Queensland in Feb 1881 but they were still in Sylling when Kristen was born. It looks like Andreas left for America on his own on 17/6/1881. Going on the Angelo to England and then boarding the Germanic for New York. His age is a year out but everything else matches and they have him as Swedish on the Germanic passenger list but it ties in with the connecting ships as per this site.
I did not know there were any Andricksens left and am fascinated to how Peter is related?
With all my research I have no idea why I have not found this forum before!!

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 18/04/2009 14:47:44
Message:

As I told Peter, its a small world Colleen.
We can assume there are more "Andrickens" in N.Z.
I agree, Lier and Sylling is a beautiful place. Now when you know the location of the farms I understand if a new Journey to Lier is wanted.
Its a long distance between New Zealand and Norway, the most far away we can get to occupeid/inhabited land, if we should travel longer we would be on way back home again.

Then this could be Andreas Kristensen, age 33 dest Bay City, that explain why he seems to have been a missing person, his age seems as correct as we can expect.

Click on Gayle or Peters name and send them a message.

Kåre

Reply author: Gayle Bright
Replied on: 19/04/2009 01:54:54
Message:

Kare, Many thanks for finding that emigration record. It certainly fits in with the age of Andreas and would explain his disapearance and Birthe's subsequent "widowhood" and why she went out to her brother in N.Z. I am excited Colleen has responded and will email her directly.
Thanks again. Gayle

Reply author: Colleen Pallesen
Replied on: 19/04/2009 03:16:41
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Hi Kare
I want to say how wonderful the Norwegian census and parish records are. I knew so little about my Norwegian roots although it always fascinated me (even as a child) as the Andricksen's seemed to have so many secrets. Our branch of the family did not even know where in Norway the family came from except for some information from Kristen's Australian military records that said he was born near Drammen. My mother's cousin has done some research but always came to a dead end. But the information she gave to me was invaluable. She was able to give me the year Annete was born, the cemetery record for Berthe and the names of Anette's brothers and sisters and that Anette was born in Lear. No one had been able to find Lear but knowing that it was near Drammen meant I was able to use a google map to find Lier. From there it was easy to find Anette in the parish records and finally discover her father's name! And also to understand where the Andiricksen name came from. It would have been disappointing to go to Norway and not to find where they came from.
I have only gone back so far through the parish records because they get harder to follow as they get older. I think you need to understand Norwegian! It will be good to be able to add those older entries to my family tree that eibache has found. Also I had never been able to interpret the words in brackets under Karen Johanne's birth. It is also good to comfirm that Johanne Bergesdatter died from pneumonia. When I searched the parish records I found another sister of Berthe's - the youngest Olava born 7 July 1863 baptised 20 December 1863. In the 1865 census she was living as fosterbarn with Amund Andersen and Ingeborg Olsdatter at Kornerud. Johan, Bernt and Hans Olsen came to NZ in 1875. They left Norway on 2 October 1875 on St Olaf line to Hamburg then on the Shakespeare to New Zealand. There was a Hans Olsen at Kristen's baptism so perhaps he came back. Or maybe it was a different Hans Olsen.
I have found three brothers for Andreas:
Hans born 21 March 1847
Martin born 21 September 1851
Christian born 2 September 1855

I have looked in the 1900 census to see if any of the relatives were still around then, but have not found any. When did women start taking on their husband's names when they got married? Perhaps some of Bertha's sisters have a different name?

Colleen

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 19/04/2009 08:44:41
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I have found three brothers for Andreas:
Hans born 21 March 1847
Martin born 21 September 1851
Christian born 2 September 1855

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Reply author: Colleen Pallesen
Replied on: 19/04/2009 08:50:00
Message:

Thanks for the date corrections

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 19/04/2009 09:03:06
Message:

To Gayle and Colleen, I am happy for you, genealogy is exiting.
I guess it was ship routes between USA and Australia/N.Z., Bay City is in Michigan.
The Norwegian censuses and records are wonderful.
You seems to be familiare to them, her is Lier going back to 1672.

To find a person without any help is very exiting, can be challenging too, but after a while it works well.
Døpte means christened.

The censuses for Lier.
Use contains, start with one or two letters to see how the name is spelled, "same " names might have various spellings.
Ask for help if you are uncertain.

Fosterbarn means fosterchild Colleen.
Around 1900 woman started to take the husbands name when they married, from the 1865 censuses we can see some already praticed did, but that was unusual.
Island still practice this traditional naming, lasting for more than 1000 years.

Good luck.

Kåre

Reply author: orm overland
Replied on: 19/04/2009 13:17:34
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Some who have taken part in these exchanges seem to have been confused about last names in rural Norway where most people did not have family names in our sense until late ninettenth and early twentieth centuries. Their patronymic identified them as the son or daughter of their father. So naturally, this was not effected by marriage. The farm name that was also used was not a family name in our sense either. This name identified people by the place where they lived. So if a man in marriage became farmer on a farm inherited by his wife, he would take this farm name, but this does not mean that he took his wife's family name. On coming to a country where it was assumed that you had a family name, either a patronymic or a farm name became a family name. The change is evident when Ole, the son of Ole Nilsen, does not become Ole Olsen but Ole Nilsen. This will be obvious to many, but perhaps not obvious to all.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 19/04/2009 14:35:15
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Andreas three brothers are mentioned, he had more siblings, you asked if some of them are mentioned in the 1900 census.

All farms ending on -eie means owned by, it was a sub farm, Hørteeie was owned by Hørte etc.

We can start with Runsevoll under Hørte, almost bottom page.
"Fra omkring 1840...About 1840 Christian Hansen is mentioned, b. 1820 on Solbergeie, d. 1898, married to Kari Chistensdatter b. 1813 on Horn-eie, d. 1874.
Children; Kristine, Andrine, Hans (settled down on Engerhagen), Andreas (to Kyllingrud), Martin to Runterud under Solberg, Christian.
It was likley Runsevoll that was taken over by Christian Christiansen in 1875, born 1855, d. 1878, married to Anne Margrete Svendsdatter b. 1854 in Modum (daughter to Svend Larsen Vibe on Bjerknes in Modum parish in Buskerud County).
Children; Karl, Karen, Silia. They moved from here (Runsevoll) in 1877, then mentioned on Sylling eie. Christian died on Svang eie next year.

The next information is about another family.

Engerhagen under Østre Enger and Hans Christiansen is mentioned almost bottom.
......."Hans etterfølger på plassen var Hans Christiansen" He was followed by Hans Christiansen born 1848 on Runsevoll under Hørte married to Anne Markusdatter Skustad born 1844.
Children; Gine, Karoline, Martin, Anna-Lovise.
The next information is about another family.

Runterud under vestre Solberg and Martin Christiansen bottom page.
...lease holder her in 1900 was Martin Christiansen likley born 1852 on Runsevoll under Hørte married to Ingeborg Nilsdatter Solberg eie born ab. 1846 in Lier.'
Children; Karl, Karoline, Nils Kristian, Andreas, Inga, Hans, Ingvald (to Pålsrud under Horn). This family is first mentioned on Runterud eie in 1873. Martin bought Runterud in 1905, deed (property) signed in 1905)

Pålsrud under Horn, Ingvald Martinsen, see about 3/4 down, Pålsrud and next "Brukere"
....4) Ingvald Martinsen Runterud under Solberg b. 1889, d. 1960, married Elise Thorgersen born 1892 on Gunnerud-eie. d. 1972.
Children; Martin, Erling (to Skustad and Røyne), Harald (leased a farm on Skustad), Ingvald (lives in Sylling), Einar (moved to Hønefoss town, Buskerud), Ragnhild (marreid to Arne Sørum, Oddevald), Elida (married to Hans Røine, Oddevald in Lier), Martinius (to Drolsum, Modum municipality), Arne (to Vikersund, a sub parish in Modum municipality), Trygve (to Tranby, Lier), Kåre (lives in Lier), Dagmar (married to Georg Nilsen , Haslum in Bærum municipality), Mary (married to Erling Muggerud, Oddevald).

Ingvald sold Pålsrud in 1955 to his son Martin Martinsen b. 1911 married to Jenny Myrbråten Holmen b. 1910.
Children; Gerd (married to Gunnar Solberg, Oslo), Solveig (married to Kåre Åsen, Meren, Lier), Håkon, Astrid (married to Ragnar Torgersen, Engersand), Kåre, Ingvar, Helge

Kåre

Reply author: Gayle Bright
Replied on: 20/04/2009 03:51:22
Message:

Kare,
Many, many thanks once again for all the information on where the family went. I am sure there must be loads of descendants of Christian Hansens throughout Norway. I hope some of them find this forum.

Kind Regards and Grateful Thanks

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 20/04/2009 13:37:34
Message:

You are welcome Gayle.
You are right, it must be hundreds of descendants after Chrisitian Hansen living in Norway, most of them in Lier and surrounding municipalities. I brought up as many names as possible in case someone will find this forum.
Perhaps "Lier Historelag" Lier Historian association has some information to share with you, click on "kontakt oss" left side and send an inquiry to them, they might be interested to hear about what happend to the emigrants.

I think it was the right Andreas Kristensen going for Bay City Colleen found, no wonder he was "vanished".
He was married "g" and went alone.
Could the reason for that be that the journey to Queensland Australia was cancelled by the shipping company?
Birte had family in New Zealand from the information Colleen brought up, so she didn´t travel by random.

Kåre

Reply author: Gayle Bright
Replied on: 20/04/2009 21:40:08
Message:

Kare,
In the Emigration record that Colleen found, Andreas left for Michigan only a month after Kristian was born. I assume from this that he went off to "find his fortune", because they had already planned on going to Queensland. He may have been told that the US would be a better place for them. As you said earlier, letters may have gone missing which is why she didn't join him or they separated and went their own ways. We do know that Johan nominated her for the Vogel Scheme and I now think that she said "to husband" on the paperwork because with 5 children she may not have otherwise qualified as an immigrant.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 20/04/2009 23:14:39
Message:

Gayle, after been working with Andreas and his family for almost 9 months I have been wondering what happened to him since he didn´t meet their ship and was never found.
I have seen many widows with children who emigrated to USA, but beeing a widow and think perhaps you could be a widow isn´t the same, times were differant .

This is only a guess from me, there could be reasons for him to travel to USA who never will be found , like to earn money, even the final dest was familymembers and friends who emigrated to New Zealand in 1875.

I think perhaps Andreas might have died in USA between 1881-87.
Berte kept her promise, going that fare with 5 children in 1887 require great courage.

Kåre

Reply author: Colleen Pallesen
Replied on: 25/04/2009 04:38:57
Message:

If Berthe and Andeas lived at Kyllerud where would the children have gone to school? We saw Sylling school when we were in Sylling but there was no-one there. We would have liked to go to the library there. My grandmother told me that her mother (Anette) used to ski (or skate) to school.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 25/04/2009 08:53:43
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They would have gone to Sylling skole, Sylling has had its own school since 1859. Distance between Kyllerud farm and the school approx 1,5 mile. Doubtfull if there would have been a library at the primary school.
You can find Kyllerud and Sylling with this map

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 25/04/2009 11:44:10
Message:

Einar and Colleen.

Sylling school, step 1-10 and the library here is in the same building, adress Skoleveien 2

Since the shool was closed you were likley here in the summer holidays lasting from about June 20-August 20.

Lier with all the fields and meadows must have been good for skiing, skating was possible only when the roads were icy, in those days it was liklely cheap skates made of bone that was used.

It wasn´t before in the 1850ts the first metalskates was made, called Snabelskøyter since they could remind you of a "snabel" (trunk-proboscis).
This pair is from the 1930-40ts but the design was almost the same.

Kåre

Reply author: Colleen Pallesen
Replied on: 26/04/2009 13:07:00
Message:

Hi Kare

When I was outside Sylling skole I was imagining Anette going there so I am glad it was the right school! We went right past Kyllerud when we went on the bus from Oslo to Sylling and I have some photos taken from the church, in that direction. I also have photos of Svang because I knew Berthe had been there from the census records and I presumed it would probably be the beach part at Sylling.
I thought I might contact the school/library to see if they have records of the children going to school there. I am interested to see if they stayed at Kyllerud after 1881 when Andreas left. I see that Ole Knudsen (Berthe's father) was still at Syllingeie when he died in 1885 and if I have interpreted the entry correctly, he was a pauper.

I have a photo of the plaque on the Sylling Kirke. It reads:
"SYLLING KIRKE
BLE BYGGET I 1851
DET HAR VÆRT KIRKE HER
FRA MIDDELALDEREN
INNVIET TIL
ST.HALLVARD OG ST.MARGARETA"

Would you be able to tell me what it means?

We were in Sylling in April but we arrived there at 1in the afternoon and went to the church first. We then went to the school and then we went up to the supermarket. We asked them there if there was a library and they told us it was at the school but by the time we got back down there everything was closed.

We hope to be back in Europe in another five years, so I think another visit to Norway is going to happen. We flew from Dublin to Oslo last time. It was a short flight and it did not cost too much. I would like to see Sylling again with my new knowledge. My husband would also like to go back to Denmark (we went there too because my husbands great grandparents come from Jutland). Our surname Pallesen is Danish. I liked Norway better than Denmark. Denmark was too flat.

By the way, we did the Norway in a Nutshell trip when we were over there - absolutely amazing! I loved Norway!

Thank you so much for your help and information

Colleen

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 26/04/2009 13:58:36
Message:

The present schoolbuilding in Sylling is from 1921, later expanded in 1971 and 1988.
Before 1921 the school in Sylling were at many places, Asdøl (1859-1876), Tveten (1876-1921), Øverskogen (1915-1961), Tronstad (1916-1938), Syllinghaugen (1911-1921) and Syllingbakken (1911-1921).

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 26/04/2009 14:13:29
Message:

Colleen, it says:
Sylling church
build 1851.
It´s been a church here
from the middle age.
Dedicated to
St. Hallvard and St. Margareta.

I will recommend you to contact "Lier Historielag", see page two from April. 20 for more detailed information.

Both Hørte and Svang is wellknown from the Norwegian civil war 1140-1240. I can bring up a short version from the historian events that happened here.
From the photo, see down page Hørte, in the small valley in the back ground it was a bridge crossing Hørte creek where the two kings Sverre and Magnus meet in 1178. Sverre, a military genius, ambushed Magnus and managed to divide his men on each side if the bridge. Both Magnus and his brother Orm were wounded but both managed to withdraw. King Magnus fall 1184 against Sverre at Fimreite.

Historians assume locals only were spectators at Hørte bridge, but in 1222 when King Magnus granson Sigurd Erlingsson Ribbung, leader of the uprising group Ribbungene faced duke Skule at the waterside at Svang historians assume locals partisipated on Sigurd Ribbungs side. Sigurd was forced to withdraw from the battle, many of his men fall.

On the high ridge Fosskollen it´s ruins after a village stronghold build about 1500 years ago where people could take shelter when a danger threatened the county side. View from the strongehold, Drammen town in the back ground.
Most countrysides in those days had strongholds "Bygdeborg"

Denmark is flat, we call them "Flatlandsbønder" Flat land farmers, the Danes call us "Fjellaper" Mountain monkeys.

Danes and Norwegains are good friends and neighbours.


Kåre

Reply author: Colleen Pallesen
Replied on: 06/05/2009 10:46:54
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Hi Kare

We have found two more children for Berthe and Andreas. Kristen and Kristian. One born February 18 1874 and the other born June 22 1879. The first one died 4 June 1880 (entry 60) the other a month later 3 July 1880 (entry 72) I wonder if you are able to tell me what they died of as I cannot read this.

Thank you
Colleen

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 06/05/2009 14:02:32
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Hi Colleen.
Kristen #60 died of "Tæring" an old expression for Tuberculosis.
No doctor was consulted.

Kristian, same page #72 died of "Kjertler" Gland, doctor was consulted. No explonation what kind of inflamed Glands that coused Kristian´s death.

Kåre

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 06/05/2009 18:03:35
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It probably is not a big issue, but I read that the son Christen was born February 28 1874, not Febr 18 or March 6 as written in the death record.

Reply author: Gayle Bright
Replied on: 02/03/2010 01:59:34
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I would like to thank all of those people on the Norway Heritage site who have worked so hard over the last year and helped us research our family history. You may be interested to know that last weekend we had our first ever family reunion. 30 people enjoyed meeting their cousins for the first time and we hope to erect a plaque or cross in memory of Birthe Olesen and her courageous voyage to New Zealand. In the meantime, we continue to search for her husband Andreas Christiansen and any other Andreassen or Olesen family we may have in Norway.

Gayle

Reply author: KennyD
Replied on: 13/03/2015 00:21:29
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Originally posted by Gayle Bright

I would like to thank all of those people on the Norway Heritage site who have worked so hard over the last year and helped us research our family history. You may be interested to know that last weekend we had our first ever family reunion. 30 people enjoyed meeting their cousins for the first time and we hope to erect a plaque or cross in memory of Birthe Olesen and her courageous voyage to New Zealand. In the meantime, we continue to search for her husband Andreas Christiansen and any other Andreassen or Olesen family we may have in Norway.

Gayle

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