Karl Peter Severin Heidenstrom

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Topic author: Barbara L
Subject: Karl Peter Severin Heidenstrom
Posted on: 19/07/2009 07:39:08
Message:

I have been trying to put together a family tree for a friend of mine,for her 70th birthday.
Her great grandparents were Karl Peter Severin Heidenstrom and Mina Carolina Ovidia Johanson,originally from Norway.

According to Karl’s death certificate in 1921,he was born in 1844 and had lived in New Zealand for 42 years,which suggests he arrived about 1879.His father’s name was Andreas,a band master;mother’s name not known.It doesn’t say where in Norway he was born.his date of birth varies on other certificates- he could have been born anywhere between 1839 and 1844.
He married Mina Johanson at the age of 36.She was 68 at the time of his death.They had seven daughters and finally ,a son.

I have not been able to find Karl or Mina on any passenger lists to NZ ,or in any other records.Karl was naturalized in 1893 and does not appear on electoral rolls before that date. Not knowing where to look next ,I had resigned myself to a “brick wall”

However,in the last week,I have managed to contact the Great Grandson of Karl and Mina (the grandson of their only son) and he has sent me a gedcom file which includes the Heidenstrom family and a rough tree chart.He doesn’t know who compiled them,it was not him or his father.

He also told me that Karl was Mina’s second husband and that she was a widow, and he a widower when they married.(according to the marriage cert) She was previously married to a man named Reinert Johansen,her maiden name given as Jahnsen.Mina was from Bergen,Norway and lived for a time at Norsewood, Hawkes Bay, before she married Reinert (also known as Reginald,who was really Reinert Gabrielson !!) in about 1876.

There is a family story that one of Mina’s husbands “jumped ship” which may explain why I can’t find them.But I can’t find Mina either on the Norsewood site and have tried all variations of name,surname and birthplace.Reinert was a mariner and Karl a sail maker,so it could have been either of them,who jumped ship.

Other than that,he knows as much as I do.

I thought perhaps I would be better looking for these people before they left Norway and
have tried to search the digital archives unsuccessfully – I don’t know where in Bergen Mina was from.A general search for Heidenstrom comes up with no hits, and I can’t work out how to see the census in English.

I should say that the gedcom file ,I was sent has a few notes ,but they are written in Norwegian ! It is possible that Karl was born in Fredrikstad and his father Andreas Peter,in Fredrikshald. I would like to be able to confirm this for my own satisfaction before adding these people to the tree.

Over the last week,I have read all the help files on Family Search and downloaded the English/ Norwegian word list in an effort to translate the notes Most of the family seem to have been musicians.

Please forgive me if there is too much information here – I am trying not to miss anything out.I am not expecting a look-up,but perhaps someone could tell me where I am going wrong?
Thankyou

Barbara

Replies:

Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 19/07/2009 10:20:30
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The 1865 Norwegian census shows a Carl Severin Heidenstrøm living in Fredrikstad.
A Heidenstrøm family 1865
and a Carl Edvard Heidenstrøm born ca 1847 whose father, Christian, played the trumpet.
Another possibility

More helpful information for your study and use -
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/articles.html
http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/files/word.htm

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 19/07/2009 13:26:21
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Carl Peter Severin was born in Glemminge (Glemmen) at Fredrikstad town April 8. 1839 bapt. Oct. 27. 1839.
He was born out of wedloc to Andreas Peter Hedenstrøm from Fredrikstad and Margrete Johnsdatter from Nygaards Grund in Glemminge #56

Kåre

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 19/07/2009 13:58:05
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Good find Kåre. Carl Peter Severins parents married July 5 1844, see #8
the father Andreas Peter Hedenstrøm was then discharged from service, he was 41 years old and his father was Peter Andreas Hedenstrøm. Inger Margrethe was 28 years old and her father was John Trulsen Gluppe.
Inger Margrethe was born June 20 1816, bapt at home June 22 and this was confirmed in church Sept 1, see #23
her parents were John Trulsen, Gluppe and Anne (should have been Maria) Andersdatter, Trara.
John Trulsen was 11 years in 1801 his parents were Truls Johnsen and Marthe Hansdatter.
Joen Trulsen and Maria Andersdatter were married Nov 8 1815, see
#24

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 19/07/2009 14:06:30
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Carl Peter Severin slill lived on Nyggards grund when he was confimated Oct. 2. 1854 in Glemmen church from 1100.

I forgot his mothers complete name in my former posting, her name was Inger Margrete Johnsdatter, see confirmation record #29

Kåre

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 19/07/2009 14:16:21
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Carl Peter Severin Hedenstrøm and Anne Karine Sørensdatter had a daughter Inger Margrethe, born Nov 19 1859 and baptized Dec 4, see #178
Karl Hedstrøm and Karine Sørensdatter had 3 children in 1865 they were married july 8 1859, see
#11

Reply author: Barbara L
Replied on: 21/07/2009 08:41:05
Message:

Oh my goodness!!
How can I thank you all.
I hadn't expected such a fast response & have only just seen all the postings
I can't wait to see everything & will certainly look at the links you have suggested, Hopkins.
Thanks so much - my friend will be thrilled,I know.I wouldn't have had a hope of finding all this on my own.

Reply author: Barbara L
Replied on: 21/07/2009 09:33:10
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It looks like the people on the tree chart I have been given are Carl's family, Though it only mentions the male line from Andreas . Most of the other people were born in the USA or other countries.
At least I now know I have the correct family.
Can I ask: was there some kind of compulsory military service, since Andreas was discharged at age 41?
There are other musicians mentioned who appear to have military or naval titles.
The handwriting on the church records is beautiful ,but I would never have managed to find these people by myself,so I am really grateful.I think I can make out some of the witness names as well,so I'll be able to see if perhaps they emigrated to NZ.
Thanks again
Barbara

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 21/07/2009 10:55:12
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It was a compulsary miltary service in Norway, Andreas Peter Hedenstrøm was a soldier in Fredrikstad when Carl Peter Severin was born, we can assume he served on Kongsten Fort

If you need help with the witnesss names or you want to go further back do come back here.
Hard to read the occupation of the witness.
The first two witness served in the army, a "KommandørSersjant" Ensign or Commissioned officer and a "Bøssemager"Gunsmith.

Some information from Glemmen and a link to Fredrikstad.

Happy 70th birthday to your friend.

Kåre

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 21/07/2009 12:27:56
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The reason I know Andreas Fredrik Hedenstrøm served in Fredrikstad can be found here in another baptism record for Carl Peter Severin, Andreas Peter profession is hard to understand, looks like "Brovegter" guardsman on the Bridge, not sure.

The baptism on the right side #26

In English it says:
Carl Peter Severin (out of wedloc) born April 18. and baptised in Glemminge church Oct. 27. 1839. Parents, the mother: Maid Inger Margrethe Johnsdatter on Nygaards Grund and bachelor the childs father ?? Andreas Peter Hedenstrøm in Fredrikstad.

Nyggard/Nygards Grund was owned by Jacob Apenes (1796-1886) and was located to the west side of Fredrikstad.
The house is demolished, only a street, Nygårdsgate, tells about the location.

Kåre

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 21/07/2009 14:10:36
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Just a small correction Kåre, Carl Peter Severins "angiven barnefader: Trompeter" - stated father of the child trumpet blower -----

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 21/07/2009 15:11:35
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Good Einar,
I was uncertain about his miltary profession.
Now we can be 100% sure he served at Kongsten Fortress.

By the way, the 1844 wedding was taken place in Fredrikstad church build 1779 even it was recorded in Glemmen church book, see #8.

Kåre

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 21/07/2009 18:28:02
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You may be interested in the baptismal records for Frithjof Severin (Fritjof S. in the 1865 census) born Oct 2 1862, see #20 and Karl Christian August (Karl K.A. in the 1865 census) born Dec 17 1864, see #242

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 21/07/2009 20:05:27
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Joen Trulsen was baptized Dec 12 1890, see #1 his parents Truls Joensen and Marthe Hansdatter, Gluppe.
Maria Andersdatter (also named Anne Andersdatter - ref Inger Margrethes baptism) was baptized Anne Maria March 6 1896, see #11 her parents were Anders Asbiørnsen and Maria Michelsdatter Røed fra Kragerø.
Anne Maria and her parents and siblings in 1801
Also in the baptismal record for Anne Marias brother Asbiørn, see #5 right page the parents are Anders Asbiørnsen and Maria Michelsdatter Røed paa Kragerø.
This is also the case in the baptismal record for Engeborg Serina (Ingeborg Søverna), see #4 on left page
Anders Asbjørnsen, Rød and Maria Michelsdatter, Raae were married in Tune Nov 3 1794, see next to the last record in right column on left page
Maria Michelsdatter was baptized July 19 1772, see last record in right column on left page her parents were Michel Jensen and Siri Syversdatter, Raae.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 21/07/2009 20:23:06
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Joen Trulsens parents were married Nov 29 1789, see #10 Truls Joensen came from Gluppe and Martha Hansdatter from Ambiørnrud.

Reply author: Barbara L
Replied on: 22/07/2009 13:31:06
Message:

Once again,thankyou.
I saw that I had more news this morning,but this is the first time I've had a chance to see the new information.It is really exciting to be doing something completely different - although you are doing all the work !
I am thinking now that if Karl did have a wife and children,what happened to them? As he claimed to be a widower on his death cert (which I hope is true),but did the children survive & did they come with him to NZ. Certainly there is no mention of them.The living children and their ages on his death cert only account for the ones born here.

I also searched the census for Mina and found nobody with her full name.Her age is consistent on the marriage certs, so she was born in 1853.I will have to get her death certificate to discover who her parents were,which I will do as soon as funds permit. Mina C was the closest I could find to her name.No luck with Reinert Johanson/Gabrielson either.
I must have another look at the passenger lists for some of these new surnames
I will now go and look at the treasure you have sent me today
Many thanks
Barbara

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 22/07/2009 20:54:22
Message:

I am sure they are all recorded in one of these records either in Glemmen or Fredrikstad, some records is hard to read bacause of bad or blurred ink.
The heading, what period, is in Norwegian, the instuction is in English.
I looked into the probateregisters for Fredrikstad 1833-71, Carls 1. wife Karine Sørensdr. wasn´t recorded there.

Any confimation record for the children could be to a great help, possible migration records, death records.

I have a strong feeling Carl Severin´s 1. wife died.

Kåre

Reply author: Barbara L
Replied on: 23/07/2009 00:59:27
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I certainly hope so - otherwise he shouldn't have married Mina!
Now that I know the children's names,I can have another look on NZ records to see if they came here with him,or perhaps later with another family.
I am sure you are right & I'll study the records carefully,now that I have an idea of how to go about it .
I am so appreciative of the help I have received and already have 100% more information than I did a week ago
Thankyou all
Barbara

Reply author: Barbara L
Replied on: 24/07/2009 07:35:23
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I have had an idea - please feel free to say no!
I mentioned that the gedcom I was sent has notes written in Norwegian.The most extensive notes refer to Andreas Peter & I have spent most of this afternoon trying to translate them using both the Family Search dictionary and the Norwegian/American dictionary ,Many of the words are not there,probably because they are unique words.I think most of it must refer to Andreas' military service.
If I cut and pasted the notes on here,would you mind having a look to see if there is any information which could be useful? I think there is a name at the end which might possibly be the author of the gedcom.
If this is too much to ask,I quite understand
Barbara

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 24/07/2009 09:41:08
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That was a good idea.
It would be of great interest to see what information you have on Andreas Peter and to get it translated later today.

Kåre

Reply author: Barbara L
Replied on: 24/07/2009 12:49:47
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Great!
Here are the notes for Andreas Peter:
Sammanfattning:
Andreas Peter Hedenström inrullerades och presenterades för
Nordenfjällska infanteriregimentet den 28 oktober 1794. Troligt-
vis sker detta i Fredrikstad. Andreas Peter som bara var 15 år
inrullerades tillsammans med brodern N.N. Hedenström som uppgavs
vara 17 år gammal. Engagemangstiden lyder på 10 år och bröderna
svor trohetsed till fanan den 12 november 1794. Då Andreas Peter
bara var 15 år fick han sin värvningstid beräknad först f.o.m.
nyår 1795. Den man som sörjde för Andreas Peters "optak" vid
kompaniet hette Nystierna.
I Folketellinga 1801 anges han 26 år gammal(!)(och i så fall född
1775), ogift och boende i "Friederichstad prestegeld,
Friederichstad Faestning" hus 24". Ser ut att bo hos Christian
Johannesson, 32 år gammal, Oboist och hans hustru Karen
Tobiasdotter 26 år gammal."
Andreas Peter tjänar regementet kontinuerligt 1794 - 1807. År l8O7
går han över i svensk tjänst, hur länge och vart har ej
kunnat utrönas. År 1812 är han emellertid tillbaka vid regementet.
Han anges då gift och har fyra barn.

Uppgifter om barnens faddrar.
Niels Fredericks faddrar:Döpt 28/10 1808: Faddrar: Kapten Fogner,
Löjtnant Molssöe, Löjtnant Solberg, Madame Mossin, Jungfru Lassen.

Jens Kristians faddrar: döpt 1811 10 13 i Fredrikstad. Sergeant
Rosenlund, houbist Anderssen, houbist Fornebue, Elin Maria lind,
Annicken Svensdatter, Sophia Randine Eriksdatter
Karl Gustavs faddrar: Döpt den 23/3 1815: Faddrar: Brede
Anderssen, Lars Fornebue, Ole Nielsen Damen, Bette Lockeberg,
Ingeborg Olsdatter, Merte Friedricksdatter
Georg Fritz faddrar: Döpt 1818 23/1? i Halden: Faddrar: Prost
David Brunius, Captein Garbe, Lieutnant Rurite ? Matsson, Madame
Jörgenssen, ? Skytte, Larkin A. Vernudman. (texten svårtydd!
förf.anm.)
Thankyou
Barbara

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 24/07/2009 22:08:26
Message:

Here we go:
Summary:
Andreas Peter Hedenström was enlisted and presented for the Nordenfjällske infantry regiment October 28 1794. Most likely this took place in Fredrikstad. Andreas Peter who was only 15 years old was enlisted together with his brother N.N Hedenstrøm who was stated to be 17 years old. Time for the employment was 10 years and the brothers vowed fidelity to the banner on November 12 1794. Since Andreas Peter was only 15 years he got his employment calculated from New Year 1795. The man who was responsible for Andreas Peters enlistment in the company was Nystierna.
Andreas Peter served the regiment continously 1794 – 1807. In 1807 he transferred to Swedish service, how long and where has not been possible to account for. In 1812 however he is back with the regiment. He is then stated as married and having four children.
Information on the childrens godparents.
Niels Fredericks godparents: Baptized October 28 1808: Godparents Captain Fogner, Lieutenant Molssøe, Lieutenant Solberg, Madame Mossin, Maiden Lassen.
Jens Kristians godparents: Baptized October 13 1811 in Fredrikstad. Sergeant Rosenlund, Gunner Anderssen, Gunner Fornebue, Elin Maria Lind, Annicken Svensdatter, Sophia Randine Eriksdatter
Karl Gustavs godparents: Baptized March 23 1815: Godparents: Brede Anderssen, Lars Fornebue, Ole Nielsen Damen, Bette Lockeberg, Ingeborg Olsdatter, Merte Friedricksdatter
Georg Fritz godparents: Baptized Jan 23 1818 in Halden: Godparents: Dean David Brunius, Captain Garbe, Lieutenant Rurite ? Matsson, Madame Jörgenssen, ? Skytte, Larkin A. Vernudman

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 24/07/2009 22:12:14
Message:

Georg Fritz baptismal record is #12
he was the 7th child, 6 were living.

quote:

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Faddrar: Prost David Brunius, Captein Garbe, Lieutnant Rurite ? Matsson, Madame Jörgenssen, ? Skytte, Larkin A. Vernudman.

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Reply author: Barbara L
Replied on: 25/07/2009 00:08:59
Message:

Wonderful !!
Thankyou, Thankyou, Thankyou
Barbara

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 25/07/2009 06:58:39
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quote:

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I Folketellinga 1801 anges han 26 år gammal(!)(och i så fall född
1775), ogift och boende i "Friederichstad prestegeld,
Friederichstad Faestning" hus 24". Ser ut att bo hos Christian
Johannesson, 32 år gammal, Oboist och hans hustru Karen
Tobiasdotter 26 år gammal."

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Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 25/07/2009 07:35:00
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Andreas Peter Hejdenstrøm married Søverine Christiansdatter Febr 13 1801, see top record on left page.
On Aug 28 1803 they baptized a son Andreas Pether, see 2nd record on right page

Reply author: Barbara L
Replied on: 25/07/2009 08:54:38
Message:

Thankyou eibache
It was only after I had printed out your translation that I realised this can't be Karl's father, but his grandfather ? That is even better.
I googled the name Nysternia today - jut because I was interested to see what nationalty the person was ,and came up with a reference in Norwegian,which was an old post on another message board (1999) someone looking for an Hoboisten Nystierna.
What caught my eye was the name Andreas Peter Heidenstrom in the message ! so I "asked" google to translate ,which it did ,though not entirely correctly.Andreas Peter's father was deceased when he enlisted and was Swedish !!
How lucky is that (or not - I haven't a clue about Swedish records either)
I don't know how to post a link on here,otherwise I would.
I am intrigued about the musical aspect - was it a requirement that an enlisted man had to play an instrument? And did they see any active service?
I will now go and add this new information to my collection
Thankyou
Barbara

Reply author: Barbara L
Replied on: 25/07/2009 09:54:01
Message:

Oops - forget what I just asked about the regiment
I should have looked at your link first.Fascinating!

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 25/07/2009 10:43:35
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You are right, I always thought Hedenstrøm was a Swedish name.
The part of the family who settled down in Norway changed to Heidenstrøm.

Nystierna was a Hoboist, a military musician playing any woodwind instrument.
Can be mixed up with an Oboist, I use Hoboist as profession.

Here is a translation from the Swedish genealogy assosiation "Anbytarforum" searching for Nystierna in Sweden you Googled, see here.

The Hoboist Nystierna died 1800, 51 years old, in Fredrikstad. He was there alredy in 1794 when a young Swedish boy, Andreas Peter Hedensrøm (the late father was also supposed to have been an Hoboist) was enlisted in Nordenfjeldske infantry Reigiment.
The boy was also an Hoboist, he married and leaves a large family in Norway, they later changed name to Heidenstrøm.
In my contack with Norwegian genealogists, they are all covinced that the Hoboist Nystierna was from Sweden since he is not recorded in the 1769 census for Fredrikstad.
Has anyone seen that name?
The rest of the link is information about the seach for Nystierna in Sweden.

Andreas Peter Hedenstrøm, the younger, died on Trosvigberget in Glemmen Feb. 5. and was buried in Glemmen cemetery Feb. 12. 1849, age 47, 5, #13

Kåre

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 25/07/2009 11:35:03
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Andreas Pether Hejdenstrøm and Søverina Christiansdatter baptized a Niels Friderich Febr. 9 1806, see bottom of left page

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 25/07/2009 11:39:52
Message:

quote:

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I mentioned that the gedcom I was sent has notes written in Norwegian.

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Reply author: Barbara L
Replied on: 25/07/2009 12:02:12
Message:

Oh -well if the notes are swedish,maybe that is one of the reasons I couldn't find the words in the dictionary.
Thankyou for your translation.
Barbara

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 25/07/2009 18:16:01
Message:

Nordenfjeldske gevorbne (rexruited) infanteriregiment was esatblished 1733.
The headquarter was in Oslo.
After the 1788 Military campaign against Sweden the headquarter established in Fredrikstad and from 1790 the Regimant was suported by two batallions from Akershusiske regiment, total 22 companies, 8 recruited and 14 nasjonal Companies.

In piecetime the garrison in Fredriklstad consisted of the recruited companies.
The uniform was a red dress, dark blue collar, white distinctions and tin or silver buttons.

The commading officer in 1794 was Major General Hans Jacob Hesselberg.

Kåre

Reply author: Barbara L
Replied on: 26/07/2009 10:19:40
Message:

Thankyou again
This is getting more and more interesting and so different to the type of genealogy I am used to.
now I see where Karl gets the name Severin from.
I have been looking at the passenger lists again today for Karl and Mina and I think I may have found her on a transcript of the list for the Shakespeare which left Hamburg in October 1875 and arrived in Wellington NZ in January 1876.I don't think the original list has survived.She is down as Mina Jansen ,age 23,which seems right.
When I get her death certificate,it will tell me how many years she had been in NZ - presuming it is accurate!
Thanks
Barbara

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 26/07/2009 11:28:52
Message:

In the 1865 census is a possible Mina
she was born in Sweden and her mother was a widow in 1865 (had two children born in Norway before the husband died).
Mina ie Wilhelmine Jansdotter Dalgren was confirmed in 1869, see #8

Reply author: Barbara L
Replied on: 25/08/2009 07:00:09
Message:

eibache and káre
Firstly I must say how sorry I am that I didn't reply to your last post - I lost my internet connection because my broadband modem gave up the ghost –at the worst possible time!

So I couldn't write back to you to say that I found Mina eventually (all by myself)- or rather her baptism, in Aker on 23rd August 1852 Mina Carolina Ovidia ,daughter of Amund Jahnsen and Inger Marie Andreasdotter.I think I found her on the 1865 census with the family of Olaves Olsen and Karen Hansdatter,she is a foster daughter,so perhaps her parents had died by then? This has also led me to wonder if she came to NZ with this family.

At that stage,I couldn’t do any more research on the internet and I was running out of time ,so I haven't been able to follow up any further.I still haven't managed to locate her sister, or found proof of the death of Karl’s first wife.

I managed to get the family tree together just in time, and my friend is absolutely delighted with such a unique gift.(I told her it was by no means all my own work).She has read it through many times and last time we talked, we were on the phone for over two hours, going through all the details.

None of this would have been possible without your (all of your) generosity and patience - I just can't thank you enough.
Of course,the story is by no means finished and I hope to research further when time permits.Her sons have Norwegian heritage as well,so I'll look forward to returning to this board in the future

Many many thanks
Barbara

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 25/08/2009 10:23:15
Message:

Mina baptismal record was a good find. There is a note saying she was actually baptized in Oslo Domkirke, and she was. There you find the following description in the column for parents:
"Inger Maria Andreasdatter, Pige og Ungkarl Arbeidsmand Amund Jansen Hiem Logerende paa Grønland, men Barnet er født paa Hammersborg. Foreldrene blew ægtewiede den samme dag datter Barnet blew døpt. Pigen har tilstaaet for at Barnet er awlet med Halvor Hermansen."
(Mina Caroline Ovidia should have had Halvorsdatter as her last name then.)
The marriage record is #119
Very difficult to see where Amund Jahnsen (34) was born, but his father was Jahn Jahnsen. Inger Marie Andreasdatter (28) seems to come from Gjerdrum and her father was Andreas Jacobsen.
Inger Marie was born Oct 5 1824, see #30 - the mother was Kirsti Andersdatter.
Andreas Jacobsen and Kirsti Andersdatter were married July 1 1824, see #7 Andreas was a soldier 25 years old and came from Skulerud. Kirsti was 21 years old and came from Olstad.
Kirsti was baptized Dec 25 1802, see #35 her parents were Anders Hermansen, Wahl and Maria Clemetsdatter. The parents and siblings in
1801
Andreas Jacobsen was born Sept 15 1798 and confirmed 1815, see #6
his parents were Jacob Poulsen, Schulerud and Kassi Michalsdatter. The family in 1801

Reply author: Barbara L
Replied on: 26/08/2009 01:59:22
Message:

Thankyou eibache
I wasn't expecting any more information!
Could you possibly translate the part about Mina's baptism ? i can't understand why her name would be Halvorsdatter.
And thankyou for the information about her parents - I don't know how you manage to find it all so quickly
Barbara

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 26/08/2009 06:08:11
Message:

quote:

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"Inger Maria Andreasdatter, Pige og Ungkarl Arbeidsmand Amund Jansen Hiem Logerende paa Grønland, men Barnet er født paa Hammersborg. Foreldrene blew ægtewiede den samme dag datter Barnet blew døpt. Pigen har tilstaaet for at Barnet er awlet med Halvor Hermansen."

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Reply author: Barbara L
Replied on: 26/08/2009 06:46:22
Message:

Ah ! very interesting,thankyou.The amount of detail given in these records is amazing.I wish the English registers were like that - it would explain a lot of things.
Very much appreciated
Barbara

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 26/08/2009 07:02:52
Message:

A second look at the marriage record revealed that Amund came from Skjetten (which is in Skedsmo parish, Akershus), his baptismal record is #32 he was born Sept 5 1818 and his parents were Jahn Jahnsen and Kari Olsdatter.

Reply author: Barbara L
Replied on: 26/08/2009 08:58:25
Message:

Another thankyou
I doubt if I would ever have found that - Amund is quite clear,it is the parent's names which are harder.I think i only found Mina's baptism becuase the writing was so good.
I will add all these new people to the tree.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 27/08/2009 08:50:07
Message:

Hi Barbara, you are right about Shakespare.

It seems like Mina Karoline Ovidia Jansen emigrated with 3 other girls from Oslo, Hilda Mathilde Hansen, Karen Kristine Olsen and Mathilde Amalie Kleprig (Klepsich) from Oslo on St. Olaf on Sept. 28. 1875 for Hamburg, Germany where they entered Shakespare for New Zealand and arrived Wellington with 390 passengers on Jan 23. 1876.
Because 7 of the passengers had the Yellow fever the yellow flag was flying at the bay, see information from a Swedish family here.

It was totally 19 Norwegians on St. Olaf for via Hamburg for New Zealand, none of them corespond with her forsterparents.
Another group of 58 Norwegian emigrants for N.Z left on ship Kong Sigurd spring same year.

The suremane list for these 4 girls for the 1875 journey on Shakespare correspond, see here

The owner of this site tells that a CD with scans of passenger lists and add information are available here.

Kåre

Reply author: Barbara L
Replied on: 27/08/2009 09:03:47
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Thankyou - that is excellent (I am glad I got something right)
According to another note on the tree I was given, her sister left for America at the same time,so now I will see if I can find that.I don't know her sister's name for certain ,except there is one on the IGI named Ambrosia Katinka.
I will now go and see if I can find these girls after they arrived in NZ - wish me luck.
Thankyou yet again
Barbara

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 27/08/2009 10:06:00
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Ambrosia Catinka Amundsdatter emigrated April 1873 on ship Oder for Hull England where she changed ship.
Dest. Akron Ohio, USA, se here
She was born to Amund Jansen and Inger Marie Andreasdatter 1853, christened in Oslo Cathedral on Oct. 30, see #295.

Kåre

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 27/08/2009 12:00:13
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Ambrosia Catinka Amundsdatter was a fosterchild as was her sister in 1865

Reply author: Barbara L
Replied on: 28/08/2009 08:32:15
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Another mystery solved!
I have a lot to learn.
So Mina's sister actually left before her.As she is a foster child ,can I assume both parents had died?
So far,I have only managed to find two of Mina's companions on NZ records-we don't have anything free of charge online,other than records that volunteers have transcribed.I would need to buy the marriage and death certificates to be sure.Also,there is no "wildcard" search,so will have to try all variations of spelling (and mis-spelling)
Many thanks
Barbara

Reply author: davidmcalister
Replied on: 11/08/2012 01:07:09
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Hello Barbara L. Karl Heidenstrom was my Great grandfather. I do know that my great grandmother was mina. If you have completed your research I would be delighted to see the family tree. my grandmother was elsie, twin sister of hilda. rgds david

Reply author: Barbara L
Replied on: 12/08/2012 01:31:51
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Hello David
Hopefully third time lucky
I tried all day yesterday to get on to this board without sucess,and then forgot my password.
I am happy to share what I have with you about this family.but there have been a couple of disasters in the last few years.My genealogy programme refuses to recognise this particular tree,but I still have all my notes and the story I wrote for my friend.
If you'd care to give me an email address,I could contact you offline and explain further.
Regards
Barbara

Reply author: davidmcalister
Replied on: 12/08/2012 04:18:41
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thks barbara david.mary@xtra.co.nz

Reply author: ebolsen
Replied on: 12/09/2012 21:51:15
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Hello, I become very interested when I saw you asked for information regarding Karl Peter Severin Heidenstrom. I think i have found the correct information and that one of his daughers, Inger Margrethe Heidenstrøm, was married to my old grandfather Hakon Alfred Olsen. Their son Harald Marinius Eugen Olsen is my grandfathers dad, and I would like to know if you have information that can confirm I have found the correct link? I am now trying to find out if Harald Marinius had any siblings, and if they had kids and so on. I also think Harald Marinius had a daughter from his first marriage, Bergliot Anabel Solvig Olsen. Thanks for your reply.

Reply author: Barbara L
Replied on: 13/09/2012 07:09:03
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Hello
As far as I know,Karl had two sons and a daughter,but because I was trying to concentrate on the period of Karl's life after he arrived in New Zealand,I didn't even look at what happened to his children after he left Norway.I couldn't even find proof of his first wife's death.So I would be very interested to know what you have found.His daughter was definitely Inger Margrethe Heidenstrom,and though it is possible there are others with the same name,it sounds very likely.
I have just re-typed the NZ family tree for David and would be happy to share that with you if we can substantiate the link. Inger was born 19 November 1859 -does that tie in with your records?
Two contacts in two months -very exciting!
Barbara

Reply author: ebolsen
Replied on: 13/09/2012 22:27:47
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I have sent you an e-mail. Just wanted to say it here just in case it didnt come through :-)

Reply author: shirleylauchlan
Replied on: 12/10/2012 22:50:33
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I am a grand-daughter of Hanne Moller. Hanne was the eldest daughter of Mina and Reinert. When Mina married Karl she had nine children with him. Eight daughters and finally a son. They lived in Holloway Road in Wellington and as Mina ws a midwife she delivered a lot of babies in Holloway Road. I can remember meeting my father's twin aunties - Hilda and Elsie.
I was unaware that Karl had been previously married; nor did I know that Mina and her sister were fostered. Has anyone traced the sister who emigrated to USA?

Reply author: Barbara L
Replied on: 13/10/2012 01:15:26
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Hello Shirley
It's been an eventful couple of months for my research into the Heidenstrom family. Yes,I believe my friend told me that Mina delivered her own children as well as her grandchildren,so she would have been busy.
I have very little else on Hanne and her sister apart from who they married,electoral rolls etc.Mainly because I haven't had time - I'd be interested to know anything else that has passed dowm the family.Also haven't looked for Ambrosia in the USA,though that shouldn't be too difficult now that there is so much info available online.
If you'd like to compare notes,I'm happy to do that .Let me know and I'll send my email address.
Barbara

Reply author: Barbara L
Replied on: 26/10/2012 03:21:26
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Hello Shirley
Just to say I sent you an email ten days ago at the address you gave me,but haven't heard back, I'm now wondering if you received it?
Regards
Barbara

Reply author: shirleylauchlan
Replied on: 27/10/2012 06:47:28
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Hi Barbara
Yes I did. Sorry for not replying but haven't been home much. Will reply tomorrow.
regards
Shirley

Reply author: Barbara L
Replied on: 27/10/2012 08:10:37
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No hurry -just wanted to make sure it didn't go astray

Reply author: normcook
Replied on: 06/01/2013 01:30:38
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Hello Barbara - I'm also a great grandson of Mina Johanson/Heidenstrom on the Johanson side. My Grandmother was Mina's eldest daughter, Theodora Regina. I've read your research with great interest, and it is starting to answer numerous questions I've had over the years. As a pointer to the USA, Agnes Gabrielson, came to New Zealand back in the late 60's on her way to visit the "Other side" of the family, something she did on a regular basis. That family lived Eureka, Humbolt Bay, California.

Reinart Johanson was, I believe, the one who "jumped ship". My grandmother use to joke about him being a "naughty boy" and had to change his name from Gabrielsen to Johanson, so maybe that is adding to the problem of finding passage details. I believe that Mina Johanson landed at Petone, whether there are records around the Settlers Memorial on the foreshore at Petone, I do not know.

Agnes Gabrielsen had five other sisters namely Ragnhild Rasmussen, Birgit Scott, Marie Hannistaad, Ruth Bentsen and Anna Dahler.
I have a photo of this group, taken at Ruth's 80th back on the 24th Oct 1975. Maybe Shirley Lauchlan has inforfomation on this group, as I remember that Theodora Key, Hannah Moller and Agnes Gabrielsen use to exchange letters and photos.

Regards
Norm Cook

Reply author: Barbara L
Replied on: 06/01/2013 02:14:51
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Hello Norm
Interesting to hear from you,particularly since you come from the Gabrielson side,of which ,as you may have gathered,we know nothing.I'm happy to share what information I have .I am puzzled as to who Agnes Gabrielsen is? I'll send you a message with my email address rather than bombard you with questions on this thread :)
Regards
Barbara

Reply author: normcook
Replied on: 07/01/2013 05:34:16
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Hello Shirley - Following up on your heritage to the Moller side of this 'Webb", would it be possible that your Grandparents lived in Rosetta Road, and Arnold was a builder, along with his son also Arnold, also a builder ? if so, I can recall the elder Arnold talking about a reunion he had with a brother, a seaman, who had arrived into Wellington and looked them up.

My maternal Grandmother, Theodora Regina Key (Johanson) was as I understand the youngest sibling of the Johanson branch, I have limited knowledge on the Heindenstrom members, even though my parents were in regular contact. Many lived within about a 10 km radius of each other. Is there a Greame Moller in your reference material. He used to own a menswear store in Paraparaumu Beach, now living in the Taupo area.

In answer to your question about the USA connection, we have a cousin in the Napier area. who stayed with those relatives back in the seventies or maybe earlier, and I hope to look him up in the next few weeks. If my memory serves me correctly - they lived in Eureka, Humbolt Bay, California. However having this knowledge, I'm of the belief, that we find that this side of the family is on the Gabrielsen branch not the Heidenstrom side.
The reason I make this conclusion is that it was Agnes Gabrielsen and her sisters that made frequent trips to the States. Theodora Key, to my knowledge, made two trips over there to see the cousins, I can't recall any of her sisters traveling with her. Nana Key had a reasonable amount of correspondence from her "Gabrielsen" cousins. Maybe you have some from Hannah, I don't ,but I know they exchanged cards and letters. Sorry, I do have one small greetings card.

Reply author: ninakatinkafredriksen
Replied on: 28/03/2013 18:13:52
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Dear All,

Amazing to be able to read all this information and I am so thankful for names, dates, occupations and certificates from this thread.

I am the great granddaughter of Harald Marinius Eugen Olsen, and I'm trying to find out where he went after he left his family in Oslo Norway, about 1915.
One very kind person gave me links for Canada, so Canada might be the right place to look, but I was hoping maybe someone here where relatives, perhaps
from the direct line of Harald and I would be thrilled to get in contact :)

I look forward to get in touch and share information :)

Reply author: Barbara L
Replied on: 30/03/2013 00:08:46
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Hello Nina
Good to hear from you.
Sorry,I can't help you with that particular question.I was going to suggest you contact ebolsen as she is also related to this man,but I see you have already done so on another post.We have communicated by email last year, and you both seem to be stuck at the same point.
It might be worthwhile to send her a private message through the forum.
Good luck with your search -if there is anything I can help with the Heidenstrom side of the family,let me know
Regards
Barbara

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 19/10/2013 00:13:20
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Facinating to read through all the pages again and rediscover that a few names can gather people from different parts of the world

Kåre

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