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Topic author: cbatt
Subject: Looking for information on Thomas Thompson
Posted on: 11/10/2013 21:32:31
Message:

Thomas Thompson, born 1836?, father Nickolai Thompson, mother Mary Thompson, both born Norway. This information was taken from Thomas marriage license to Mary Thommason.(Nov 2, 1876 Bloomer, Chippewa, Co, Wisconsin) He died 1885, Sioux Creek, Barron ,Wisconsin from a lumbering accident. I can't seem to find any info on the family before the marriage. Ii would like to know the spelling of Thompson, where in Norway did they come from and anything else I can find about my Great Great Grandparents. If he had brothers or sisters in Wisconsin?

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Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 11/10/2013 22:26:06
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Thomas Thompson is born in Dane county, Wisconsin, by parents Nichelas & Mary Thompson.

Jan Peter


Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 11/10/2013 22:49:39
Message:

Not an exact fit but close.

1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Thomas Thompson
Age: 44
Birth Year: abt 1836
Birthplace: Wisconsin
Home in 1880: Sheridan, Dunn, Wisconsin
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Marion Thompson
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Neighbors:
Occupation: Laborer
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Thompson 44
Marion Thompson 24
George A. Thompson 3
Richard N. Thompson 9m
Oley Laus
28


Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 11/10/2013 22:57:12
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Did Thomas Thompson's father also live in America and if so did he live in Wisconsin as well. Only problem here is that this Nickolai was born in 1923 which would have made him 13 when he fathered Thomas.

Wisconsin, State Censuses, 1895 and 1905
Name: Nickolai Thompson
Census Date: 1 Jun 1905
Residence County: Dunn
Residence State: Wisconsin
Locality: Grant
Birth Location: Norway
Marital Status: Widowed
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Race: White
Relation: Father
Line: 37
Roll: CSUSAWI1905_9
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Ole Thompson 42
Bertha Thompson 41
Arthur Thompson 16
Gilbert Thompson 14
Alma Thompson 12
Elmer Thompson 10
Goldi Thompson 7
Raymon Thompson 5
Orin Thompson 2
Nickolai Thompson 82


Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 12/10/2013 00:37:47
Message:

Census-1880 above seems correct.
Son George Thomson getting married in 1901.
Wife Mary Ann Thomason seems to be of English heritage.
Mary Ann Thompson married Austin Granger on 05 Feb 1886 in Dallas, Barron Co. WI.
Mary Ann Granger in census-1900.
Mary Ann married a 3rd time to William Pearson in 1910. She died 03 May 1940 in Estevan, Saskatchewan, Canada.

Jan Peter


Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 12/10/2013 01:00:34
Message:

From History of Barron County, Wisconsin:



Jan Peter


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 12/10/2013 02:19:43
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40

Not an exact fit but close.

1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Thomas Thompson
Age: 44
Birth Year: abt 1836
Birthplace: Wisconsin
Home in 1880: Sheridan, Dunn, Wisconsin
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Marion Thompson
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Neighbors:
Occupation: Laborer
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Thompson 44
Marion Thompson 24
George A. Thompson 3
Richard N. Thompson 9m
Oley Laus
28



Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 12/10/2013 02:35:41
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A possible candidate for Nikolai in the 1860 Cenus. Can not find him in the 1870 Census.

1860 United States Federal Census
Name: Nicholas Thompson
Age in 1860: 35
Birth Year: abt 1825
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1860: Wheaton, Chippewa, Wisconsin
Gender: Male
Post Office: Chippewa Falls
Value of real estate:
Household Members:
Name Age
Nicholas Thompson 35
Ann Thompson 25
John Thompson 5


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 12/10/2013 02:43:58
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If he came as a baby he should be in the early census. I cant seem to find a death certificate for Nick or Thomas either.


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 12/10/2013 02:47:18
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The 1880 census is them, I found this earlier. The story I was told was that Mary Thomason met Thomas Thompson on the ship when they immigrated and married soon after, but the history of Barron County said he came over as a small infant. So I don't know.


Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 12/10/2013 02:59:43
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Here is the family of Ole Thompson with father Nick ( spelled various ways)

1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Nick Thompson Senior
[Neck W Thompson Senior]
Age: 77
Birth Date: Jun 1822
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1900: Tilden, Chippewa, Wisconsin
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1853
Relation to Head of House: Father
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Occupation:
Household Members:
Name Age
Ole Thompson 37
Berta Thompson 35
Tatum Thompson 11
Gilbert Thompson 9
Alma Thompson 7
Elmer Thompson 5
Goldy Thompson 2
Nick Thompson 77
Nick Thompson 22

And in 1910

1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Nicholai Tompson
Age in 1910: 86
Birth Year: abt 1824
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1910: Grant, Dunn, Wisconsin
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1853
Relation to Head of House: Father
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Ole Tompson 47
Bertha Tompson 45
Gilbert Tompson 18
Alma Tompson 17
Elmer Tompson 15
Goldy Tompson 12
Raymond Tompson 9
Orin Tompson 6
Nicholai Tompson 86


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 12/10/2013 03:11:00
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I don't think this would be his father, nick would be to young.


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 12/10/2013 03:20:49
Message:

Thomas was born 1835 or 1836.


Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 12/10/2013 17:33:50
Message:

Could this be him He is listed as unmarried.

U.S., Civil War Draft Registrations Records, 1863-1865
Name: Thomas Thompson
Residence: Dunkirk, Dane, Wisconsin
Class: 1
Congressional District: 2nd
Age on 1 July 1863: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Race: White
Marital Status: Unmarried (Single)
Place of Birth: Norway


Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 12/10/2013 18:00:14
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quote:
I don't think this would be his father, nick would be to young.


I realise there is a age problem with the "Nick" in the 1860, 1900 and 1910 Census and your Thomas, however they did occupy the same counties in Wisconsin. You mentioned that Thomas was married in Chippewa County and died in Barron County. and in the 1880 Census he lived in Dunn County. The "Nick" listed above lived in Chippewa County in 1860 and 1900 Census and in Dunn County in the 1905 Wisconsin Census. That is a lot of coincidence.


Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 12/10/2013 18:10:38
Message:

A possibility, although a bit young... estimated birthyear from census: 1841.

Census-1860 for Dunkirk, Dane, Wisconsin:
E Thompson m 49 Norway
Mary Thompson f 40 Norway
Thomas Thompson m 19 Norway
Julia Thompson f 14 Norway
Sarah Thompson f 12 Norway
Peter Thompson m 8 Wisconsin
Ole Thompson m 7 Wisconsin
Nott Thompson m 5 Wisconsin

Jan Peter


Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 13/10/2013 00:39:38
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Thompson is not a Norwegian name, unknown origon:
Fathers first name Nicolai.
Mothers lastname Thomasen

A possible candidate, not perfect, born on farm Brovig (a sub farm under Hellevig) in Høvåg sub-parish, Vestre-Moland municipality;
Thomas Nicolai born Sept. 29. 1835.
Parents; Nicolai Madsen and Ane Thomasen (Thomasdatter)
First bap #21

They had a dau. Tobine Marthea 1840 and a dau. Inger 1842 and a son Ole age 20 in 1865.

This Thomas was still in Høvåg Oct. 12.1851 (Confirmated) and in 1865, occ. seaman.

Kåre


Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 13/10/2013 00:50:44
Message:

This Thomas stayed in Norway link

Kåre


Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 13/10/2013 01:20:42
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quote:
Originally posted by Kåarto

Mothers lastname Thomasen
Kåre

Mother lastname is not known. The name "Thomasen" is from his wife, which was of English origin.

Jan Peter


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 13/10/2013 03:47:02
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Some of the stuff I have found spelt the last name Thomson . I don't know when the p was added.


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 13/10/2013 03:57:57
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The age on the census isn't always right either.the draft registration could be him.


Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 13/10/2013 17:32:24
Message:

Here is a death notice for Nickolai Thompson. Interesting he is buried in Bloomer, Chippeawa County same county that your Thomas was married in.

Web: Wisconsin, Find A Grave Index, 1836-2012
Name: Nickolai Thompson
Birth Date: 1823
Age at Death: 88
Death Date: 1911
Burial Place: Bloomer, Chippewa County, Wisconsin, USA

Here is a link to the website.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=THOM&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GSst=51&GScntry=4&GSsr=7161&GRid=94575963&


Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 13/10/2013 17:51:59
Message:

Nicolai Thompson born in Norway ca 1823, Thompson - Thomasen??
- Torben Nicolai Thomasen born Feb. 20. 1824. in Skjervøy parish. Parents; Thomas Gamst and Anna Greta Nielsdatter
- Ehlert Nicolai Thomasen bap. Feb. 27. 1845 in Bergen town. Parents; Thomas Friis and Marthe Marie Iversen.
- Aksel Nicolai Rosenkrantz Thomasen born Sept. 3. 1825 in Drammen town. Parents; Thomas Segelke and Mette Lyche
- Nick. Thompson b. June 1822 in Norway. Res. 1900 Tilden town Chippewa, Wisc.
- Jens Nicolai bap. August 4. 1822 in Mo in Nordland. Parents; Jens Thomesen and Adriana Olsdatter.

Source; Family Search

Kåre


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 13/10/2013 18:38:07
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Here is an interesting family in Pleasant Springs, Dane county, Wisconsin in 1860, headed by Austin Nicolson age 63 including a Thomas age 15 Nicolson born Norway:

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=52&filnamn=ft21001860&gardpostnr=26248&merk=26248#ovre


Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 13/10/2013 18:46:51
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quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

Here is an interesting family in Pleasant Springs, Dane county, Wisconsin in 1860, headed by Austin Nicolson age 63 including a Thomas age 15 Nicolson born Norway:

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=52&filnamn=ft21001860&gardpostnr=26248&merk=26248#ovre

Children of Osten Niculsen & Jorond Ricardsdr:
Haege Ostensen, birth: 11 Feb 1827, chr 20 Feb 1827, Laardal, Telemark, Norway
Rannei Ostensen, birth: 16 Feb 1829, chr 15 Mar 1829, Laardal, Telemark, Norway
Niculs Ostensen, birth: 28 Aug 1831, chr 18 Sep 1831, Laardal, Telemark, Norway
Rannei Ostensen, birth: 30 Sep 1833, chr 20 Oct 1833, Laardal, Telemark, Norway
Thron Ostensen, birth: 17 May 1845, chr 22 Jun 1845, Laardal, Telemark, Norway

Østen Nichoulsen, Hægtved Vestre farm, is born ab. 1798.
Jorand Richardsdtr, Møklejord farm, is born ab. 1800.

Jan Peter


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 13/10/2013 19:18:46
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Okay so maybe not them but on this site there is a Thom Nicolson age 7 coming in 1845 on Probus. Father's first name a bit of a puzzle-Guri is a female name--and Thom coming from Norway doesn't match the marriage record:

http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=2215&ps=40163

Dueling interpretations. In Naeseth Vol II this family is interpreted as Arne Mikkelsen age 45 f born 1800, Guri Mickolson 46, m b 1797, all the children with surname Mickolson on the list are rendered as Arnesen or Arnesdatter as their sex dictates: Ole age 11, Kari age 9, Thor age 7, Anne


Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 13/10/2013 19:25:11
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Might be the same family in 1870.

1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Austin Nicholson
Age in 1870: 73
Birth Year: abt 1797
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1870: Pleasant Springs, Dane, Wisconsin
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Stoughton
Value of real estate:
Household Members:
Name Age
Nicholas Austinson 39
Ann Austinson 32
Austin Nicholson 73
Isabell Holverson 7
Tone Austinson 25


Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 13/10/2013 21:53:37
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Passenger list 1851 - bark Columbus
Departure: Kragerø 22 May 1851, Arrival: New York 12 Jul 1851

Østen Mikelsen 59 m
Jøran Rickhardsdatter 58 f
Hæge Østensdatter 22 f
Nils Østensen 18 m
Rannei Østensdatter 20 f
Richard Østensen 14 m
Throne Østensdatter* 6 f Thrond Østensen 6 m ?

* after a piece of information, e.g. a patronymic or surname/farmname, indicates that the information is not given in the original, but included by the registrator on the basis of the information regarding the surrounding persons in the source.

I think it should say Thrond Østensen, not Throne Østensdatter.

Jan Peter


Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 13/10/2013 23:02:58
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What about the Nick. Thompson b. June 1822 in Norway, in Tilden town Chippewa, Wisc. census-1900?
Anyone located him in the 1880-census?

I think Nick could be O. Nels Torhoug in census-1880 for Blue Mounds, Dane, Wis.
(Listed as "O. Nels Torberg" in the Digitalverket version of the census.)
He has sons Ole (17) and Nicolai (3), which fits with the 1900-census from Tilden, Chippewa, Wis.

Jan Peter


Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 13/10/2013 23:31:23
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Here is more about Nels O Torhoug.

Web: Wisconsin, Find A Grave Index, 1836-2012
Name: Nels Thorhaug
Birth Date: 10 Feb 1828
Age at Death: 79
Death Date: 20 Sep 1907
Burial Place: Dane County, Wisconsin, USA

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=THOR&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GSst=51&GScntry=4&GSsr=321&GRid=92733098&


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 13/10/2013 23:31:23
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Isn't an 1822 birthyear a bit shy for the father of a person b. 1836? Physically possible but exceedingly unlikely....

Statistically from the 1860 Norwegians in US database at Digitalarkivet. Males with "om" in the first name + "om" in the surname born in:
1834 1 lives in Illinois born In Norway
1835 2 - 1 lives in Minnesota, 1 in Wisconsin both b Norway
1836 2 - 1 lives in Illinois, 1 lives in California both b. Norway
1837 1 lives in California b. Norway
1838 3 -1 lives Iowa, 2 live Illinois all born Norway

Unless Thomas Thompson's name was transformed from something else entirely and his birth year radically different, something has to give...But which detail or characteristic is off?


Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 13/10/2013 23:34:30
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In spite of the spelling, Ancestry links this person with Nels Torhoug.

1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Nels O Harhouy
[Nels O Horhony]
Age: 72
Birth Date: Feb 1828
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1900: Blue Mounds, Dane, Wisconsin
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1853
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Anna Harhouy
Marriage Year: 1856
Years Married: 44
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Occupation:
Household Members:
Name Age
Nels O Harhouy 72
Anna Harhouy 61
Martin Harhouy 18
Albert Harhouy 18


Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 13/10/2013 23:37:56
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quote:
Isn't an 1822 birthyear a bit shy for the father of a person b. 1836? Physically possible but exceedingly unlikely....


Agreed but there is a lot of location coincidence linking Nikolai "Nick" Thompson and Thomas Thompson. They both occupied Barron, Chippewa and Dunn Counties in Wisconsin in the same time frame. 1860 to 1910.


Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 13/10/2013 23:38:58
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

Isn't an 1822 birthyear a bit shy for the father of a person b. 1836? Physically possible but exceedingly unlikely....

I don't think Nick. Thompson could be his father, but the name and place where he lived is interesting, so it's worth looking into, could possibly be a brother, cousin, uncle...

What are the proof of Thomas Thompson being born 1835-36?
Could it be 1845-46?

Jan Peter


Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 13/10/2013 23:55:15
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quote:
What are the proof of Thomas Thompson being born 1835-36?
Could it be 1845-46?


The 1880 US Census and the Civil War Record, that is if they are the same person. Poster seems to think that the 1880 Census is the right person.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 14/10/2013 00:44:01
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There are few Nicholai, Nick, Nicholas of an age for them to be the father of Thomas if he was indeed born US.

The most exhaustive study published of the pre 1850 migrants to America is Naeseth's Norwegian Immigrants to the United States : A Biographical Directory 1825-1850. In Volume 1 of that series, covering the dates 1825-1843, there is not one with Nicholai/Nicholas etc for a first name on the voyages 1825-1840.

The only thing close is a ship's captain named Johan Nicholai Tybring b Drammen son of Jacob Gelmunden Tybring who arrived in Philadelphia on 10 Dec 1828. Apparently the arrival didn't lead to a permanent settlement here in US immediately as his marriage on 6 June 1834 to Anne Margrethe Jensdtr Sunne is reported in the Oslo Domkirken.


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 14/10/2013 01:08:03
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The 1880 census is right. George and Richard were both born in the right years on that census . His age could be wrong? I don't have any proof that the age is correct. On there marriage it doesn't state an age.


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 14/10/2013 01:39:23
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I tried to fin Thomas in a cemetery, but I couldn't. He was buried on the family farm and then they built a road through it so they moved his body to the Nye Scandinavia Cemetery in Maple Grove. I looked and I couldn't find anything there. This was the story I was told. If we could find a headstone it might have an age on it.


Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 14/10/2013 01:56:46
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It is a little out of the ordinary that on the 1880 US Census Thomas is 20 years older than his wife. Not an impossible age difference at all but it does make one wonder if as mentioned by Jan Peter coud he be 10 years younger.Also in the infomation on "Nick" he is listed as having arrrived in 1853.


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 14/10/2013 03:54:40
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It could be a possibility .it would be nice to find something with a birthdate on it. Other than the census.


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 14/10/2013 03:57:48
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I have looking for a couple years for info on this family. I came to dead ends all the time, so I figured I would post on this site and see if somebody could see something that I wasn't seeing.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 14/10/2013 14:59:38
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Here is the only Nicholas Thompson in Chippewa County, Wisconsin in 1860:

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5&filnamn=ft21001860&gardpostnr=20834&merk=20834#ovre

20834 Wisconsin Chippewa Wheaton 229 Nicholas Thompson m 35 Norway
20835 Wisconsin Chippewa Wheaton 229 Ann Thompson f 25 Norway
20836 Wisconsin Chippewa Wheaton 229 John Thompson m 5 Norway


I cannot post a link to this because I was unable to find it in familysearch.org 1870 but I did find in HeritageQuest:

There are 4 Nicholas' born in Norway found in Chippewa County. This is the eldest one and the only one whose last name starts with a T. The name is indexed as "Tophelson" which is fairly accurate to what nonsense is actually written on the page.

page 3, Wisconsin, Chippewa County, Bloomer Prairie taken by H.A. Stanley on 2 Oct 1870 (with additional date stamp of 3 Dec 1870) line 27-34:
Tophelson, Nicholas age 47 m w born Norway, real estate value $1000, personal prop value $800
" , Caroline f w age 28 Home born Norway
" , Thoms m w age 15 " born Wisconsin
" , Ole m w age 7 " "
" , Isaac m w age 6 " "
" , Samuel m w age 5 " "
" , Annie f w age 3 " "
" , Elizabeth f w age 1 " "

Just interpreting the story with this arrangement of names and dates, I would surmise that Caroline is the 2nd wife of Nicholas Thompson, owing to the gap in years between Thoms and Ole and her own age of 28. It would have been exceedingly unlikely that a 13 year old would be a parent.

I was a bit suspicious about the date of the census 2 Oct 1870 and went looking for additional information on the 1870 census. In his book The Census Book: A Genealogist's Guide to Federal Census Facts, Schedules and Indexes by William Dollarhide there was a discussion about the relative accuracy of the 1850-1870 census schedules. Apparently multiple generational handwritten copies were made. So the original schedule written by the census taker was recopied in 2 sets and 1 copy of the "clean" copy was sent to the state. That clean state copy was recopied and the recopy of the state was sent to the Federal census bureau. It is the Federal copy that was microfilmed and is widely available. Dollarhide recounted anecdotal information that many, many errors have been reported between the microfilmed Federal copy and the state level copies. Wisconsin is one state that actually preserved their state level copy, so comparisons could be made.

So is the Nicholas Thompson in the 1860 census of Chippewa County, Wisconsin the same man as the Nicholas Tophelson in the 1870 Chippewa County, Wisconsin?

The age of John Thompson is consistent with Thoms Tophelson. Neither John / Thoms ages are consistent with Thomas Thompson in 1880. Given name is not consistent between John and Thoms / Thomas but consistent between Thoms and Thomas. Last name is consistent between John and Thomas but Thoms is not truly consistent with either John or Thomas. Birthplace between the 3 listings indicates consistency between Thoms and Thomas but neither with John. However John's birthplace is consistent with the detail in the biography of Thomas's son.

Name Expected value would be for the female in the 1860 census to be named Mary not Ann.

Nicholas' age in 1860 is 35. Nicholas' age in 1870 is 47 (close but not exact)

Since Nicholas has substantially valuable land in 1870 it would be valuable to find when he bought it and when it was sold or distributed to heirs. Probate and real estate are county functions and so should be followed up.


Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 14/10/2013 16:19:55
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Nice find Jackie, Here is a wild guess. Yes Nicholas Tophelson is the same as the Nicolas Thompson in the 1860 census and also the Nikolai or Nicholas or Nick Thompson in the 1900 and 1910 US Census and the 1905 Wisconsin Census living in either Chippewas or Barron or Dunn Counties in Wisconsin and living with Ole age 7 in 1870 and thus born in abt. 1843.


Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 14/10/2013 16:31:51
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Wow I had been hunting for Nicolas in the 1870 Census for some days now, but it wasn't until I used the Jackie trick of Nicholas and born in Norway that I found him, Here is how Ancestry. lists the family. If this Thomas is the posters Thomas it means he was born in 1855 not abt 1837, it is a little hard to imagine that the 1880 Census is that far off.

1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Nicholas Fohelson
Age in 1870: 47
Birth Year: abt 1823
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1870: Bloomer, Chippewa, Wisconsin
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Chippewa Falls
Value of real estate:
Household Members:
Name Age
Nicholas Fohelson 47
Caroline Fohelson 28
Thomas Fohelson 15
Ole Fohelson 7
Isaac Fohelson 6
Samuel Fohelson 5
Annie Fohelson 3
Elizabeth Fohelson 1


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 14/10/2013 16:54:57
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Thompson might be used by people emulating Thomason. I have also seen Torgerson become Thompson in one of my families.

Tophelson might have been Tollefson if the census taker and / or the census copyiest was dyslexic flipping the second syllable around.

Tophelson might have been Torgelson/ Torkelson / Torkjellson.

Tophelson might have been also have been an interpretation of one's hearing of Tjostelson or Kjostalson.


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 14/10/2013 17:20:28
Message:

Is there any where to look for land titles in 1885 to see what information was on there?


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 14/10/2013 17:48:42
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The county courthouse is your likeliest venue (unless Nicholas took a homestead from the Federal gov't.--good luck finding the search engine for homestead records during the shutdown) Here is a link to the Register of Deeds for Chippewa county, there is also a tab for the Chippewa County Genealogical Society:

http://www.co.chippewa.wi.us/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=121&Itemid=43

You might also want to look at www.usgenweb.com for Chippewa county and the catalog search for Chippewa at www.familysearch.org

You might want a copy of Thomas' and Mary's marriage record to get the names of witnesses (sometimes relatives) and which church or judge married them.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 14/10/2013 19:54:56
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What does the middle initial "N" of the Richard N. Thompson stand for?

Have you seperated which of the 7 children in Austin Granger's 1900 household might actually belong to Thomas Thompson? Mary has born 8 and 7 are living. Austin was married in 1878 and had at least one child by the 1880 census...

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11110-100622-60?cc=1325221&wc=MMPV-8MN:n577725658


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 14/10/2013 21:08:58
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Thomas and Mary had George Albert, Richard, Archie(Ward) he was given up for adoption, and John. Mary and Austin had Ella, Effie, Samuel, Archie Grangers. I will look and see if I can find what Richards middle name was.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 14/10/2013 23:26:03
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So children born to Mary Ann / Marion Thomas with first husband Thomas Thompson:

1. George Albert Thompson b. abt 1877
2. Richard N____ Thompson b. Sept 1879
3. Archie (Ward) Thompson b. ? but before 1886
4. John Thompson b Oct 1882

with husband #2 Austin Granger
5. Ella Granger b. ?
6. Effie Granger b.Aug 1888
7, Samuel Granger b. 1893
8. Archie Granger b. Feb 1896

Is Ella the one who has died before 1900?

Is the Richard Granger in the household in 1900 actually Richard Thompson or is he the sone of Austin Granger and his 1st wife Ada?


Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 14/10/2013 23:33:38
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Richard Granger b: Oct 1880
Arthur Granger b: Feb 1881
John Granger b: Oct 1882
May Granger
Effie Granger
Samuel Granger b: Nov 1893 Wisconsin
Archie Granger b: Feb 1896 Wisconsin

http://genforum.genealogy.com/wi/messages/24848.html


Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 14/10/2013 23:57:38
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Ella is listed as May in 1900. Ella May Granger married John Orville Inscho in 1902.

Did brother John Thompson marry a sister to John Orville Inscho? Same link as above.
John P. (Jack) Thompson, born 21 Dec 1884 in Diamond Ridge, Dunn County, Wisconsin, and died 01 May 1966 in New Battle, Saskatchewan, Canada
Ella Leora Inscho, born 04 Apr 1885 in Durand, Pepin County, Wisconsin, and died 14 Jan 1969 in Eau Claire, Eau Claire County, Wisconsin
Marriage: 27 Nov 1903 in Dallas, Barron County, Wisconsin.

Effie Granger Smith (1888-1976)

Austin GRANGER & Adda RERDEN
Marriage 09 Jan 1878

Jan Peter


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 15/10/2013 00:27:45
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Here is a database containing some of Thomas (or as they also question Thorfin?) Thompson. Story about the accident very like yours but details about John who went to Canada and Archie who was adopted. Patricia Lenoir last attended in 2002 so old, old contact info:

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2185445&id=I113289481

There is a Thorfin Thompson in the Bloomer cemetery at Findagrave.com with dates b. 1866 d. 1924, so can't be your guy.


Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 15/10/2013 00:34:32
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Patricia Lenoir query.

Jan Peter


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 15/10/2013 00:38:19
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Here is one of 2 mentions of the name Nicolaus Torfindson at familysearch:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NHH7-1YD

And here is the other, marrying Anne:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NW6C-QH6

Nicholaus and Anne migrating to America 1854 top of the utflyttede column right hand page:

Kildeinformasjon: Hordaland fylke, Ulvik, Ministerialbok nr. A 13 (1853-1863), Utflyttede 1854, side 246.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8315&idx_id=8315&uid=ny&idx_side=-191


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 15/10/2013 02:08:09
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I didn't know that any of them died before 1900. John Thompson married and Inscho to. In the 1900 census they listed all the kids as Granger. The census taker must have thought they were all one family.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 15/10/2013 02:35:32
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I don't think it's a coincidence any more. There is a Jacob Thompson living in Chippewa county, Wisconsin and he is the father of the Torfin Thompson b. abt 1866 d. 1924 in the cemetery. Here is a transcription of Jacob Torfindsen's baptism--same parents as Nicholaus' already posted:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N4GT-W9V

Here is Jacob Torfindsen Hotle leaving #17 utflyttede:
Kildeinformasjon: Hordaland fylke, Ulvik, Ministerialbok nr. A 13 (1853-1863), Utflyttede 1856, side 250.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8315&idx_id=8315&uid=ny&idx_side=-195

Jacob Thompson's family at Eagle Point, Chippewa county, Wisconsin in 1880 census:
Self Jacob Thompson M 55 Norway
Wife Julia Thompson F 55 Norway
Daughter Lena Thompson F 16 Norway
Son Tony Thompson M 12 Wisconsin, United States
Daughter Rena Thompson F 11 Wisconsin, United States
Son Edward Thompson M 8 Wisconsin, United States
Son Albert Thompson M 5 Wisconsin, United States
Son-in-law Paul Jackson M 28 Wisconsin, United States

Jacob Thompson's birthdate 8 Aug 1825 matches the birth date of Jacob Torfindsen from Norway per findagrave:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=thompson&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=51&GScnty=3000&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=94575958&df=all&


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 15/10/2013 02:56:47
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So the census age for Thomas Thompson is wrong. He was probably born 1846 ,not 1836 like the census said.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 15/10/2013 04:44:29
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If he is the Thoms in Nicholas Tophelson's household then the 1880 census is 20 years off.


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 15/10/2013 05:45:14
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If I could get a copy of there marriage license would his age be on it?


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 15/10/2013 05:49:58
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I need to find something with his age on it. Any ideas?


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 15/10/2013 05:55:43
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quote:
Originally posted by cbatt

If I could get a copy of there marriage license would his age be on it?



It's possible. The Chippewa County courthouse might have. If you live near LDS Family History Center, also check the catalog at www.familysearch.org, might be available on microfilm.


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 15/10/2013 05:58:56
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I don't live anywhere close to LDS centre. I live in Northern Alberta Canada! At least 5 hours away from one.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 15/10/2013 06:10:36
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quote:
Originally posted by cbatt

I need to find something with his age on it. Any ideas?



Newspaper articles about his death might contain it in the county where he lived when he died and/ or the county he grew up in.

If Nicholas died and had an estate and if there was a probate of his estate Thomas' children might be named as legatees.

On a slow newsweek, an obituary for Nicholas might list surviving grandchildren.

Need to figure if Thomas was born in Dane county or if brought to Dunn county as a baby, baptismal record in some Lutheran church might have his birth information. Lutheran confirmation record (at about age 15) might also contain baptismal and birth info. Which lutheran church was in Bloomer Prairie Township in 1870? But if Methodist or Baptist maybe not.

Track down descendants from Nicholas' second family to see what they might know. Maybe they have records like letters and such? Also uncle Jacob's descendants, ditto.

Sexton's records of Nye Scandinavia cemetery where he was reinterred might have notations about his biographical info.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 15/10/2013 06:24:03
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quote:
Originally posted by cbatt

I don't live anywhere close to LDS centre. I live in Northern Alberta Canada! At least 5 hours away from one.



Near Innisfail or Red Deer?

So you have to go via ground mail. The courthouse for land records, marriage records and probate records. Chippewa county for events there, Barron county for events there. There will be fees. You might consider hiring the local genealogical society in Chippewa to do the spadework and get the documents, Write them to see what they offer and what they charge.

ELCA Evangelical Lutheran Church of America pastoral acts databases are available at Archives.com. ELCA is the survivor of many Norwegian Lutheran synods in US. One week free trial might help otherwise small monthly fee for longer use. You also get limited access to Newspaperarchive with monthly subscription.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 15/10/2013 06:41:54
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For future reference....

Children of Torfind Olsen and Oddi* Sveinsdatter found at Norway Baptism database at www.familysearch.org

Svend Torfindsen b. 13 Apr 1807 bapt 26 Apr 1807 in Eidfjord
Magdeli Torfindsdatter b. 10 Mar 1809 bapt 10 mar 1809 Eidfjord
Britta Torfindsdatter b. 9 Apr 1811 bapt 14 Apr 1811 Eidfjord
Ole Torfindsen b. 12 Mar 1813 bapt 4 Apr 1813 Eidfjord
Torfind Torfindsen b. 26 Oct 1815 bapt __ Oct 1815 Ulvik
Torfind Torfindsen b. 17 Jan 1817 bapt 8 Mar 1817 Eidfjord
Thomas Torfindsen b. 4 Dec 1818 bapt 13 Dec 1818 Eidfjord
Tosten Torfindsen b. 24 Oct 1820 bapt 5 Nov 1820 Granvin
Nicholaus Torfindsen b. 4 July 1823 bapt 5 July 1823 Ulvik
Jacob Torfindsen b. 8 Aug 1825 bapt 11 Aug 1825 Ulvik

There may another son named Niels Torfindsen. Saw the name in the out migrating records of Ulvik when searching for Nicholaus and Jacob. Niels was moving to Bergen.

*Her name is transcribed many ways Addi, Eddi, Oddi, etc.

When you are reasonably certain that Nicholas’ Thoms is yours you will want to look into the original handwritten records which are mounted online at the Norwegian Digitalarkivet and are free to any person to use.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 15/10/2013 13:35:35
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Another string of query at genforum related to your Tom/ Thomas Thompson. Unfortunately, quite old and original poster Vicky Bertany has passed on:

http://genforum.genealogy.com/thompson/messages/8617.html


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 15/10/2013 14:49:21
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I am way north. 150 miles from the North West Territories boarder.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 15/10/2013 15:26:02
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Here are 3 very interesting men in Eagle point, Chippewa county, Wisconsin in the transcribed database for the 1860 US Federal census of Norwegians in US.

Nicholas Holt age 31
Thomas Thompson age 25
Jacob Torfinson 30
and a bit further down the page
Torfin Suwindson 30

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=4&filnamn=ft21001860&gardpostnr=20853&personpostnr=20853#nedre

This Thomas is one found aged 25 person listed earlier in the statistical study of 1860 post as born 1835 Norway living in Wisconsin. Considering the proximity to Nicholas (o by the way both Nicholas and Jacob are listed as residents of a farm named Hotle when they left) and Jacob. I wonder if this Thomas might be a very much younger brother or half brother or nephew to Nicholas & Jacob.

Here is a birth /baptism of a Torfind Svendson b. 1835 in Ulvik, #25. His father is Svend Torfindsen on Holte:
Source information: Hordaland county, Ulvik, Parish register (official) nr. A 11 (1793-1838), Birth and baptism records 1835, page 165.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11748&idx_id=11748&uid=ny&idx_side=-168

Re Jacob Thompson Nordmændene i Amerika says this pg 958:
"Thompson, Jacob udv. fra Hardanger 1850; Pioneer Gaardbr ved Bloomer, Wisc. Sønnen, K.E. Thompson, kjøbmand i Barron, Wisc.; County-Kasserer 1906-1910."


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 15/10/2013 19:05:08
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Here is a Nicholas Thompson in the 1855 Wisconsin state census. Age / sex categories only:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MMMG-TRY


Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 15/10/2013 19:28:26
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Maybe the original birth records could shed some lights on the fathers name/age?

1. George Albert Thompson        (       1877 - ) Born in Bloomer, Chippewa, Wis?
2. Richard N. Thompson           (14 Sep 1879 -        1952) Born near Ridgeland, Dunn, Wis.
3. Andrew Archie Ward (Thompson) (29 Dec 1883 - 04 Feb 1965) Born at Barron County, Wis.
4. John P. (Jack) Thompson       (21 Dec 1884 - 01 May 1966) Born at Barron County, Wis.
5. Ella May Granger Inscho       (18 Nov 1886 - 19 Jan 1980) Born at Barron County, Wis.
6. Effie Granger Smith           (11 Aug 1888 - 08 Nov 1976) Born at Barron County, Wis.
7, Samuel Granger                (   Nov 1893 - )
8. Archie Granger                (   Feb 1896 - )


As previously mentioned, which child died before 1900? All these 8 are living by census-1900, which says that Mary Ann have given birth to 8, 7 living.
A good source for Barron county records: http://wigenweb.org/barron/

Jan Peter


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 15/10/2013 20:05:19
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These are the only children I know of, unless the one she gave up for adoption she classed as deceased. Where did you see that 1 child died?


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 15/10/2013 20:14:44
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In the 1900 US federal census women are asked "How many children have you born?" and "How many are living?"


Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 15/10/2013 20:44:27
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Jan Peter


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 15/10/2013 21:30:15
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All 8 were still living when they moved to Estevan. Six of the children moved to Canada. Archie Ward came with them and then went to Arizona, Richard and Effie stayed in Wisconsin.


Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 15/10/2013 22:00:22
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quote:
Originally posted by cbatt

All 8 were still living when they moved to Estevan. Six of the children moved to Canada. Archie Ward came with them and then went to Arizona, Richard and Effie stayed in Wisconsin.

Mary Ann have only 7 children living by 1900, so one of these 8 should be Austin Granger's child before marriage?


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 15/10/2013 22:06:56
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George isnt on that list. He must have already left home. He got married in 1901. This is my grandfather.


Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 15/10/2013 22:22:12
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George should be included among the 7 children she said was living by 1900, no matter if he lived in the household or not.

Could Andrew Archie Ward (Thompson) or John P. (Jack) Thompson be the son of Austin Granger and his first wife?

Jan Peter


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 15/10/2013 22:26:06
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I only know about the 8. All 8 were accounted for . The one that is deceased on the census is a mystery to me.


Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 15/10/2013 22:27:27
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quote:
Here is a Nicholas Thompson in the 1855 Wisconsin state census. Age / sex categories only:


The Milwaukee Nicholas Tompson is probably not the posters ancestor.

1850 United States Federal Census
Name: Nicholas Thompson
Age: 35
Birth Year: abt 1815
Birthplace: Denmark
Home in 1850: Milwaukee Ward 5, Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Gender: Male
Family Number: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
Nicholas Thompson 35
Dorothea Thompson 35
Otho Thompson1

1860 United States Federal Census
Name: Nicholas Thompson
Age in 1860: 45
Birth Year: abt 1815
Birthplace: Denmark
Home in 1860: Milwaukee Ward 5, Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Gender: Male
Post Office: Milwaukee

Plus wife and children not listed here.


Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 15/10/2013 22:53:20
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quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg

Maybe the original birth records could shed some lights on the fathers name/age?

1. George Albert Thompson        (       1877 - ) Born in Bloomer, Chippewa, Wis?
2. Richard N. Thompson           (14 Sep 1879 -        1952) Born near Ridgeland, Dunn, Wis.
3. Andrew Archie Ward (Thompson) (29 Dec 1883 - 04 Feb 1965) Born at Barron County, Wis.
4. John P. (Jack) Thompson       (21 Dec 1884 - 01 May 1966) Born at Barron County, Wis.
5. Ella May Granger Inscho       (18 Nov 1886 - 19 Jan 1980) Born at Barron County, Wis.
6. Effie Granger Smith           (11 Aug 1888 - 08 Nov 1976) Born at Barron County, Wis.
7, Samuel Granger                (   Nov 1893 - )
8. Archie Granger                (   Feb 1896 - )


As previously mentioned, which child died before 1900? All these 8 are living by census-1900, which says that Mary Ann have given birth to 8, 7 living.
A good source for Barron county records: http://wigenweb.org/barron/

Jan Peter



Are the above birth dates and birth names as you found them in a birth record? Or were you saying these should be checked?

1880 in Sheridan, Dunn, Wisconsin shows George and Richard with parents Thomas and Marion Thompson. Archie #1 (later adopted by Wards) and John born 1884 are also children of Thomas Thompson per birth records posted by Jan Peter (if I am interpreting that right) and also per assertion of cbatt (no source given). Thomas died 1885. Mary Ann married Austin Granger February 1886. Ella May Granger was born Nov 1886**. Effie, Samuel and Archie #2 followed.

(** 1900 census lists "May" born Dec 1885 - birth list above says Nov 1886. If the 1900 census is right May was born before Mary Ann married Austin.)

Since all eight are alive in 1900, then the 1900 census erred in stating Mary Ann had only 7 living children. Perhaps she was asked how many children do you have? Answer: 7. She was asked, how many children have you given birth to? She answered, 8. Then that would be correct, even though no one of them died. I can imagine a census taker handling the questions that way - instead of saying, Have any of your children died?

Re 1900 census posted - Arthur (born Feb 1881) is a child of Austin's first marriage. "Arthur Granger, a modern and progressive farmer ...the son of Austin and Ada (Reirdon) Granger..." SOURCE: History of Barron County, Wisconsin pub 1922


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 16/10/2013 00:08:58
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I know where all the above are buried and the names and birthdate are right. Austin and Ada could have an Archie to,I only thought they had a daughter. I have tried to find the 8 children's birth records but haven't been able to. I can only find there marriage papers.


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 16/10/2013 02:20:13
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Is this book " history of Barron County, Wisconsin" on line? I wouldn't mind looking at it.


Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 16/10/2013 02:45:59
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Yes, the book is online and searchable at Google Books.
History of Barron County, Wisconsin.
Minneapolis, Minn. : H.C. Cooper, Jr., & Co., 1922
(OCoLC)767575960
See also
http://catalog.hathitrust.org/api/volumes/oclc/8879183.html

More reference material (I think Jan Peter posted something like this):
http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=su%3ABarron+County+%28Wis.%29+History.&qt=hot_subject

http://www.wiroots.org/

BTW - I don't know what you mean by this:
"Austin and Ada could have an Archie too, I only thought they had a daughter."
Earlier you listed two sons and two daughters for them: Ella, Effie, Samuel and Archie #2


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 16/10/2013 03:02:16
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Ada was his first wife, Mary my great grandmother was his second wife.


Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 16/10/2013 03:26:37
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Oh yes - sorry! You meant Austin and Ada could have an ARTHUR. Yes, they did.
Who was the daughter?


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 16/10/2013 04:54:13
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The daughters name was Brydette , born 1879.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 16/10/2013 08:33:18
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The reason to be clear about the birthdates of the children was to help give a time framework to the demise of Thomas Thompson. The daughter May (or Ella May) has a birthdate in the census of Dec 1885, which if, her father was Thomas, means he was still living in about March 1885.

Re the 8 vs 7 sitation, also makes me wonder. There is a gap of about 5 years amongst the Granger children between Effie and Samuel, perfect time for a baby to be born during primetime and then gone. Since there don't appear to be "official" birth records for the family members, it's possible that there was one that went missing.

But its all rather academic. More pressing issue is how to resolve Thomas' birthdate 1835 vs 1855.


Reply author: JaneC
Replied on: 16/10/2013 14:51:30
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quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg



Jan Peter



Above, 1900 census. Arthur is a child of Austin Granger's first marriage with Ada Reardon.

5 kids of Mary Ann - George, John, Ella MAY, Samuel, Archie, moved to Estevan, Saskatchewan, Canada.
1 kid of Mary Ann - Archie (Ward) joined them.
2 kids of Mary Ann - Richard and Effie stayed in Wisconsin.

= 8 kids born to Mary Ann, 8 living in 1900

The solution that Mary Ann may have had an unknown baby who died does not help to explain why there are 8 living children instead of 7 on the list above.

Back in an edit to add the 1880 for Austin and Ada:

1880
Dallas, Barron, Wisconsin
Austin Granger 33 b abt 1847 WI
Ade Granger 19 b abt 1861 WI
Brydette Granger 1 son [sic]


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 16/10/2013 15:34:53
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Austin and Mary got Married February of 1886 and Ella was born Nov of 1886.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 16/10/2013 18:24:11
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Nicholai Torfindsen Hotle marriage to Anne Svenningsdtr Legri #5:

Source information: Hordaland county, Ulvik, Parish register (official) nr. A 13 (1853-1863), Marriage records 1854, page 149.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8315&idx_id=8315&uid=ny&idx_side=-132


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 16/10/2013 22:06:49
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Anne Svennungsdatter #9 right hand page:
Source information: Hordaland county, Ulvik, Parish register (official) nr. A 11 (1793-1838), Birth and baptism records 1833, page 160.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11748&idx_id=11748&uid=ny&idx_side=-163

Unfortunately, not Anne Marie, but o well.


Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 16/10/2013 22:25:32
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Jackie; could you recap what you are trying to find?


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 16/10/2013 22:27:26
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Jacob Thompson in Nordmændene is mentioned as having a son K.E. Thompson who was county treasurer in Barron county. Possibly K.E. Thompson could be Knute Edward Thompson from findagrave.com:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Thompson&GSiman=1&GScid=89489&GRid=104200162&

Might be of interest to see if K.E. is mentioned in the Barron county history....


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 16/10/2013 23:10:05
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quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg

Jackie; could you recap what you are trying to find?



Invisible threads to tie Nicholas Thompson to Thomas Thompson to Jacob Thompson. I'm reasonably certain that Nicholas Thompson (1900, 1910), Nicholas Tophelson (1870), Nicholas
Thompson (1860), Nicholas Holt (1860) are the same man as Nicolaus Torfindsen.

Was hoping Anne, wife of Nichols Torfindsen had a middle name of Marie but she did not. So now am moving on to find information about the probable half siblings of Thomas Thompson, and cousins (descendants of probable uncle Jacob) who may have kept stories about their sibling or cousin Thomas Thompson. This is the aggressive, dogged pursuit in which I specialize.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 16/10/2013 23:16:59
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Here is the family in the 1870 census:
page 3, Wisconsin, Chippewa County, Bloomer Prairie taken by H.A. Stanley on 2 Oct 1870 (with additional date stamp of 3 Dec 1870) line 27-34:
Tophelson, Nicholas age 47 m w born Norway, real estate value $1000, personal prop value $800
" , Caroline f w age 28 Home born Norway
" , Thoms m w age 15 " born Wisconsin
" , Ole m w age 7 " "
" , Isaac m w age 6 " "
" , Samuel m w age 5 " "
" , Annie f w age 3 " "
" , Elizabeth f w age 1 " "

There is an Isaac Thompson b. 1865 d. 1920 in the Bloomer cemetery at findagrave. I believe this is he in the 1900 census living with an Isaac & Eleana Lund family.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MMKS-5JP

Isaac Lund may have married a woman whose last name was Thompson--at least a note containing the mother's maiden name of Thompson for a birth in 1888 in Chippewa county for a child of Isaac Lund. Couldn't find the marriage partner but date given for Isaac Lund's marriage 27 June 1883 in Chippewa.

Here is the bride info copied from the Wisconsin History Society website search:

Marriage Record Details
Last Name: Thompson
First Name: Elrual
Day: 27
Month: June
Year: 1883
County: Chippewa
Volume: 01
Page: 0224


There is also a county history of Chippewa county in which Isaac Lund's story appears on pg 449-450:

WNI Record Details
Last Name: Lund
First Name: Isaac
Qualifier:
Day:
Month:
Year:
County: Chippewa
Volume: 2
Page: 449-50
Record Type: Biographical Sketch
Source: Chippewa county, Wisconsin, past and present
Published: 1913
Location: R51 N168-Vol I; F587.C48 C48--Vol II
URL: "
Notes:
Portrait: no

Isaac Lund and Elena Lund are buried in the same cemetery the Bloomer City Cemetery as Isaac Thompson. Isaac Lund's dates are 1852-1945 and Elena's dates are 1864-1923

Likely Elena belongs to Jacob Thompson's family as daughter "Lena" in the 1880 census was born about 1864.

I believe this is Isaac Thompson in the 1920 census with a wife and two small children both boys Will age 4, Merlyn age 0:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MFKF-6W2


Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 16/10/2013 23:17:23
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Probably Jacob Thompson in the 1880 Census.

1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Jacob Thompson
Age: 55
Birth Year: abt 1825
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1880: Eagle Point, Chippewa, Wisconsin
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Julia Thompson
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Neighbors:
Occupation: Farmer
Household Members:
Name Age
Jacob Thompson 55
Julia Thompson 55
Lena Thompson 16
Tony Thompson 12
Rena Thompson 11
Edward Thompson 8
Albert Thompson 5
Paul Jackson 28


Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 16/10/2013 23:29:23
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And probably Jacob in 1900. A good match for birth month and year.

1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Jakob Thompson
Age: 74
Birth Date: Aug 1825
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1900: Tilden, Chippewa, Wisconsin
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1856
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Tury Thompson
Marriage Year: 1863
Years Married: 37
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Occupation:
Household Members:
Name Age
Jakob Thompson 74
Tury Thompson 65
Anna Thompson 23


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 17/10/2013 02:38:50
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Probable son of Isaac Thompson, Merlyn Thompson WWII enlistment:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K85H-62S

The 2 brothers living in Reno Nevada in 1940:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VYH7-MMV

Merlynn at findagrave.com, married to a woman named Mertice:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=thompson&GSfn=merlyn&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=41748697&df=all&

Mertice Thompson obit found by Google:
Mertice Thompson (1918 - 2011)
Obituary
Mertice McQuerry Thompson
February 17, 1918-July 20, 2011

Emma Mertice Thompson passed away peacefully in her sleep on July 20, 2011. She was born on Feb. 17, 1918, in her parents' home on S. Virginia St. in Reno, Nevada. Mertice attended Mt. Rose Elementary, Billinghurst Middle School, and Reno High School. She received her Bachelor of Arts degree and Teacher's Diploma from the University of Nevada in 1942. In 1947, she married Merlynn Thompson, who preceded her in death in 2003.

In the 1940's, Mertice was employed at First National Bank of Nevada, where she returned to work in the 1960's. At that time, she worked in the MasterCard department. She retired in 1981.

Mertice's greatest passions in life were sewing, doll collecting, reading, and needlepoint. She lived on her own and made dolls until November 2010, when her health necessitated her moving from her home. She was an avid reader until her passing.

She was very devoted to her immediate family and is survived by her daughter, Madelon Isbell (Hank); grandson, Alex Isbell (Kate Moran); granddaughter, Devon Isbell; her loving cat, Emmie; 5 nieces; and 1 nephew. Three sisters, Glenna Delle Kimzey, Czerna Nall, Marjorie Denton and brothers Charles and Marvin (Bud) McQuerry preceded her in death.

Mertice is greatly missed and will always be remembered by her family and friends. Inurnment will be at Sierra Memorial Gardens on September 30th at 1:00. A celebration of her life will be held at her family's home following interment. In lieu of flowers, donations may be made to the Nevada Humane Society in her name.

Her family would like to thank the owner and staff of Home Away from Home for all the caring assistance they gave Mertice during her last months.

.Published in Reno Gazette-Journal on Sept. 14, 2011


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 18/10/2013 04:38:21
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Ordered Thomas and Mary's, George and Bertha marriage certificate today. I'm excited to see who there witnesses are.


Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 18/10/2013 22:48:50
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Hmm, I wonder if Merlyn's middle name has any significance..

Web: Obituary Daily Times Index, 1995-2012
Name: Merlynn Nickoli Thompson
Publication Date: 29 May 2003
Publication Place: United States
Death Date: abt 2003
Death Place:
Age at Death: 83
Birth Date: Abt 1920


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 19/10/2013 03:18:45
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'Spect so.

Okay the likeliest church for the families to have attended when living at Bloomer:

Bloomer Prairie Evangelical Lutheran.
founded 13 Dec 1866.
Jacob Torfindson was the first secretary of the congregation in 1866
Isaac Lund (Jacob's son-in-law) was a trustee in 1914.

This from Norsk Luthereske Menigheter i Amerika 1843-1916 by O.M. Norlie.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 20/10/2013 13:47:38
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The Federal government is open again!

Dispense of land from the Federal Government in Chippewa county, Wisconsin.

Jacob Torfendsen was issued a patent on 15 Sept 1871, an original homstead of 120 acres in Township 30 N, Range 009 W, in Section 23, SW 1/4, NE 1/4 & NW 1/4 , SE 1/4 & NE 1/4, SW 1/4.

The only entry for Nicholas Thompson is a Military warrant issued on 1 Aug 1860 based on the Scrip Warrant Act of 1855 of 120 acres in favor of Mary Thompson widow of Nicholas Thompson, private, Captain McMurray's Company, Tennessee Militia, War 1812. The acreage is described as Township 30 N, Range 009 W in section 34, NE 1/4, SW 1/4 & W 1/2, SW 1/4. John W. Mansfield is the assignee of Mary Thompson. The land itself is located just north of the town of Bloomer.

Unless information about Thomas Thompson / Nicholas Thompson is radically wrong, I doubt that the Nicholas Thompson in the warrant above is the same man as Nicholas Thompson the resident of Chippewa county in 1860, 1870, 1900. But if you have $40 burning a hole in your pocket you could get a copy of the homestead file of Jacob Torfendsen from the National Archives.


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 20/10/2013 16:22:27
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Do you have a link to the homestead file for Jacob Torfendsen?


Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 20/10/2013 18:17:13
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This book could come in handy, if only to see the neighbors.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 20/10/2013 19:18:27
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The website where you may search for the basic homestead information on Jacob Torfendsen's patent is:

www.glorecords.blm.gov

Search Land patents, input for Wisconsin or for any state (default is Alabama, don't do that) input his name. You may see a map which if you click on the box in front of the legal description of the land engages the mapping feature so you can see where (at least to the section level) where the land was located. You will need the numbers associated with his file to order the actual homestead file. The actual files are not viewable online but you may purchase them.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 20/10/2013 19:26:16
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At Hathitrust.org address posted by Jane earlier you may also search a Chippewa county, Wisconsin history of the same era--the one which contains Isaac Lund's biography.

Chippewa County, Wisconsin : past and present : a record of settlement, organization, progress and achievement.
Language(s): English
Published: Chicago : S.J. Clarke, 1913.

Subjects: Chippewa County (Wis.) > History.

Physical Description: 2 v. : ill., ports. ; 27 cm.

Original Format: Book


Reply author: cbatt
Replied on: 24/10/2013 04:32:24
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I tried to order the to purchase the land titles for Jacob Torfendsen , but I don't think I can from Canada.


Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 25/10/2013 02:06:46
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quote:
Originally posted by cbatt

I tried to order the to purchase the land titles for Jacob Torfendsen , but I don't think I can from Canada.



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