Need help deciphering handwritten Birth records.
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Topic author: skgillett
Subject: Need help deciphering handwritten Birth records.
Posted on: 04/09/2013 16:15:51
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Found my great grandfather Isaac Nelson from Bramble Telemark birth record 6 Jan 1853 at the bottom page 360 line 27 Parish Birth Record: But I need help figuring out the names of Isaac (Izak) parents and his full birth name. Handwriting in Norwegian is proving more than I can decipher. Am sending this out to Norwegian forums in hopes that someone can help me or refer me to some site that can help reading handwritten norwegian entries
Source information: Telemark county, Bamble, Parish register (official) nr. I 4 (1834-1853), Birth and baptism records 1853, page 360-361.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051012010624.jpg - line 27
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Source information: Telemark county, Bamble in Bamble, Parish register copy nr. I 5 (1814-1855), Birth and baptism records 1853, Marriage http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061201020699.jpg - line 27
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Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 04/09/2013 17:24:13
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Parents: husmand Niels Gundersen and wife Anne Carine Isaksdtr Bamble _____(not sure what that last is)
Faddernes / Godparents: Else Torkelsdtr, Maren Halvorsdtr Bamble, Ole and Amund Halvorsons Skougen, Gunder Nielsen Ninset (?)
Reply author: skgillett
Replied on: 04/09/2013 17:44:25
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thank you...thank you....thank you....really appreciate your answer and this forum which I just happened to find yesterday.....
Susan
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 04/09/2013 18:16:02
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The last is an abbr. (Not readable to me) for the location of farm Bamble in the parish. Eiet.
Farm Bamble belonged to Nenseth School district, Bamble main parish.
Kåre
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 04/09/2013 18:27:18
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From beeing "Husmand" Cottager on farm Bamble when Isac was born Niels Gundersen bought his ovn farm, Heivanne, from farm Bamble before 1865.
Kåre
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 04/09/2013 19:16:53
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quote:Bamble=Eiet.
Originally posted by jkmarler
Parents: husmand Niels Gundersen and wife Anne Carine Isaksdtr Bamble _____(not sure what that last is)
Bambleeiet was a small holding under the main Bamble farm.
Jan Peter
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 04/09/2013 20:16:18
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quote:
Originally posted by jwiborgquote:Bamble=Eiet.
Originally posted by jkmarler
Parents: husmand Niels Gundersen and wife Anne Carine Isaksdtr Bamble _____(not sure what that last is)
Bambleeiet was a small holding under the main Bamble farm.
Jan Peter
Now I read it, there was no abbr
Eiet.Thanks.
The sub farm under Bamble was most likely Heivanne, separated from Bamble and leased 1834 to a low price.
The reason was probably there were no houses there.
The main house, stable and barn, all in good condition and some ruins are left today.
Heivanne is now only used for vaccation, and has been in the same family since the 1870s.
Heivanne is named after the forest lake Heivannet.
Source; Statnett, Norway.
Kåre
Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 04/09/2013 20:29:09
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Niels Gundersen was a 44 years old widower when he married Anne Carine Isaksdatter, who was 24 years old, Oct 19 1849, #31.
Niels Gundersen was at the holding Thorsdal under Bambleejet when he married and his father was Gunder Nielsen.
Anne Carine Isaksdatter came from Gjerrestad and her father was Isak Gundersen.
Reply author: skgillett
Replied on: 04/09/2013 20:36:36
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Man,,,,,,you guys are terrific! These details really help in further tracing the family backwards.......:)
Susan
Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 04/09/2013 20:44:57
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Before his marriage to Anne Carine Isaksdatter Niels Gundersen had been married to Anne Andersdatter, marriage record #19 dated Nov 25 1836. At this marriage he was also a widower.
Niels Gundersens first marriage was with Guri Aadnesdatter, they were married Jan 22 1829, #3.
Reply author: skgillett
Replied on: 04/09/2013 21:25:17
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in these marriage parish registers, can you tell me what the headers on the pages say/designate? I am looking at the registry posted under #39 by eibache and trying to read if there are parents of the groom/bride listed.
Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 05/09/2013 01:26:08
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1) No. Number
2) Vielsesdag Date of marriage
3) Brudgommens Navn og Stand, Brudens Navn Bridegrooms name and occupation, bride's name
4) Brudgommens Fødested, Opholdssted. Brudens Fødested Bridegrooms place of birth, residence. Bride's place of birth
5) de viedes alder Age
6) Brudgommens Faders Navn Bridegrooms fathers name
7) Brudens Faders Navn Bride's fathers name
8) Forlovernes Navne og Opholdssted Witnesses name and residence
9) Tillysningsdagene Dates of registration
10) Af hvem Tillysninger er forlangt
11) Hvis Tillysningen ei har fundet Sted, efter hvilken Bevilling eller af had lovlig Aarsag
12) Naar havt de naturlige Kopper eller vaccinerede. Attest derom smallpox vaccine
13) Hvis Brudgommen er Embedsmand, har Pension eller Vartpenge, hvad Legitimation for Indskud i Enkekassen
14) Om nogen af dem har været gift før, og hvorledes da det foregaaende Ægteskab er ophørt, samt om lovligt Skifte er holdt. Married before?
Jan Peter
Reply author: skgillett
Replied on: 05/09/2013 06:21:31
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Thank you Jan......This helps
quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg
1) No. Number
2) Vielsesdag Date of marriage
3) Brudgommens Navn og Stand, Brudens Navn Bridegrooms name and occupation, bride's name
4) Brudgommens Fødested, Opholdssted. Brudens Fødested Bridegrooms place of birth, residence. Bride's place of birth
5) de viedes alder Age
6) Brudgommens Faders Navn Bridegrooms fathers name
7) Brudens Faders Navn Bride's fathers name
8) Forlovernes Navne og Opholdssted Witnesses name and residence
9) Tillysningsdagene Dates of registration
10) Af hvem Tillysninger er forlangt
11) Hvis Tillysningen ei har fundet Sted, efter hvilken Bevilling eller af had lovlig Aarsag
12) Naar havt de naturlige Kopper eller vaccinerede. Attest derom smallpox vaccine
13) Hvis Brudgommen er Embedsmand, har Pension eller Vartpenge, hvad Legitimation for Indskud i Enkekassen
14) Om nogen af dem har været gift før, og hvorledes da det foregaaende Ægteskab er ophørt, samt om lovligt Skifte er holdt. Married before?
Jan Peter
Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 05/09/2013 08:03:35
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quote:- please note that the correct record is #31.
I am looking at the registry posted under #39 by eibache and trying to read if there are parents of the groom/bride listed.
Also note that in my posting I gave you the name of the fathers of both the bride and the groom.
Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 05/09/2013 08:15:04
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Anne Carine Isaksdatter was born July 13 1825, #34. Her parents were Isach Gundersen, Gjerrestad Ejet and Kari Svendsdatter.
Isach Gundersen, Gjerestad Ejet and Kari Svendsdatter, Nenseth were married Jan 12 1821, #2.
Kari Svendsdatter, her parents and siblings in 1801.
Isaak Gundersen, his parents and a brother in 1801.
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 05/09/2013 08:28:17
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Heivanne 1865
Isak had a brother Niels and a sister Anne.
The farm could feed 2 big-cattle and they could sow 1/8 barrel of Wheat, 1/4 barrel of Barley, 1 barrel of Oats and 2 barrels of Potatoes.
Kåre
Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 05/09/2013 08:28:29
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quote:- small correction, he was born Jan 5, baptized June 26, #27.
Found my great grandfather Isaac Nelson from Bramble Telemark birth record 6 Jan 1853 at the bottom page 360 line 27
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 05/09/2013 08:42:10
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Niels Gundersen became owner of Heivanne 1854.
Public announcement "Tingbok) of the existence of a written contract on Heivanne, here spelled Heivand.
The first owner of Heivand was Knud Gundersen (Niels brother?)
1- Deed (property); From Knud Gundersen to Niels Gundersen dated and public announced 6. September 1854.
2- Auction deed (property) to Bamble welfare agency for 305 Kroner dated 19. December 1881, public announced 7. August 1882
3- Deed property Bamble Welfare agency to Ole Halvorsen for 500 Kroner dated 18. July 1882
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5- "Hjemmelsbrev" deed property/other rights on the farm, probate in Ole Petter Halvorsen Meikjær and wifes joint ownership to Isak Heivand for 1950 Kroner 3 September 1932 link
Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 05/09/2013 08:53:36
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Niels Gundersen was an "uægte" child (born out of wedlock) birth April 22, baptism April 29 1804, last record in 4th column.
His mother was Marthe Syvertsdatter, Thorsdal and his father was Gunder Nielsen. (A soldier in the Søndenfjeldske Infanteri Regiment).
Gunder Nielsen in 1801.
Marthe Syvertsdatter in 1801.
Gunder Nielsen and Marthe Syvertsdatter were married Dec 27 1804, 2nd couple in 2nd column.
They had a daughter, Ingeborg Maria, Aug 28 1807.
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 05/09/2013 09:38:40
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Isaks sister Anne K. (Karine) Nielsdatter b. Mai 3. 1863 married Ole Johannesen from Wermeland in Sweden August 23. 1886.
Anne as widow and "Innsidder" Lodger on farm Soli 1900 with to daughters and a son.
Simen Nielsen housefather, daylaborer and widower b. 1851 who lived on the farm is so fare unknown.
Kåre
Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 05/09/2013 10:50:12
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Anna Karine Nilsdatters daughter Anna Olufine Olsen on farm Soli 1900 b. 14. March 1893, servant on farm Tveten østre 1910
Kåre
Reply author: skgillett
Replied on: 07/09/2013 00:01:35
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thank you to all.....I am sure as I wade thru all the great new info you have provided I may have some other questions....but for now you all are a blessing!!!
Reply author: agren
Replied on: 20/09/2013 09:08:03
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Anne and Niels is my great-great-great parents, their daughter Andrea is my great grand mother :) her son Oluf is my great grandfather :)
Reply author: skgillett
Replied on: 08/11/2014 10:39:05
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Agren
I apologize if I did not respond to your post on my inquire regarding Isak Neilsen. Looks like we are related. do you have a family tree outlined on this branch of the family? I am building one on Ancestry.com. My new email is now: susangillett1@gmail.com
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