Help with Oluf Iversen Teslie
Started by MichaelBaird · 2014-01-03
MichaelBaird · 2014-01-03#1
Hi,
I'm on this forum posting because I was so impressed with help and answers given to "Carrie B" about his ancestor who came to Chicago (I ran into that in a search on the name Tesli). I've been struggling with an issue and looking for help. I've been doing Norwegian research for quite a while. My great-great Grandmother (Margarethe Teslie) came to America in 1892.
The issue is around the parents of her father Oluf Iversen Teslie.
The genealogy as I have it starting with my great-great grandmother:
Margarethe Christine Teslie --> Oluf Iversen Teslie --> Iver Jacobsen Teslie --> Jakob Iversen Kuråsen and so forth
Here is the information I have:
Oluf Iversen Teslie Christening: 12 April 1846
Transcribed record: http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/kb/dp/person/pd00000000965202
Note the correction on this transcribed record – Father’s name transcribed incorrectly
Digitized record(no 36): http://tinyurl.com/l85ghmr
Father: Iver Jacobsen Teslie
Mother: Margrethe Hansd
Residence: Hlade
Seems straight forward but this is the issue - It seems from everything else I can find that his mother isn't Margrethe Hansd but rather is Margrethe Knudsd. Here is what else I have:
1865 Census:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01038310011804
12 - Iver Teslie born in Strinden
13 - wife: Margrethe Teslie born in Kvikne
15 - Son: Oluf Teslie born in Strinden
14 – Son: Adolf Martin Teslie born in Strinden
Brothers birth records:
Older brother Johan Conrad:
Birth transcribed: http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/kb/dp/person/pd00000001047731 (digitized #85: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16287&uid=ny&idx_side=-50)
Father: Iver Jacobsen Teslie
Mother: Anne Margrethe Knudsd
Residence: Hlade (hard to make out but I think that is correct)
Younger brother Adolf Martin’s records:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/kb/dp/person/pd00000001938749
digitized: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?urnread_imagesize=gigant&info=ingen&hode=nei&show=19&uid=231106&js=j
Father: Iver Jacobsen Teslie
Mother: Margrethe Knudsdtr
Residence: Reitgjerdet
Iver Jacobsen Teslie Marriage:
Digitized (13): http://tinyurl.com/lwszzp6
Iver Jacobsen Teslie born Strinda age 36 father Jacob Ivers. Jacobslie
Margrethe Knudsd Bakke born Kvikne age 32 father Knud
Witnesses Ole Olsen Teslie, Jacob I. Teslie
Case for Oluf’s mother to be Margrethe Knudsdatter:
1. 1865 Census Margrethe is the same person as Margrethe Knudsd in 1839 marriage
- Census Age of 57 corresponds with marriage age of 32
- Place of birth is same on both records (Kvikne)
- No mention of 2nd marriage etc. in Census
2. 1865 census states that both Oluf and Adolf Martin are sons to Iver and Margrethe
3. Older brother Johan Conrad birth record states father is Iver Jacobsen Teslie and mother is Margrethe Knudsd
4. Younger brother Adolf Martin in 1865 census with same parents birth record states that mother is Margrethe Knudsdtr
So my questions are:
1. Is Oluf of a completely different set of parents with father of same name (Iver Jacobsen Teslie) and mother of same first name (Margrethe) but different last name (Hansd.)?
2. But how can that be when Oluf and Adolf have the same parents in the 1865 Census?
3. I can’t find a marriage of an Iver Jacobsen Teslie in the correct time frame to a Margrethe Hansdtr. Can I not just find it?
4. Is there any reason to believe Iver Jacobsen was married twice? None that I can find. Also seems unlikely since Oluf is bracketed by Johan Conrad in 1839 and Adolf Martin in 1852 who have the same mother (Margrethe Knudsd.) and given the arguments for Margrethe in the 1865 Census being the same Margrethe in the 1839 Marriage record.
5. So then is the birth record wrong and Oluf’s mother is Margrethe Knudsdatter and not Margrethe Hansdatter?
If you have followed this post to this point you are incredibly patient and I thank you. If you have any insights or helps I will doubly thank you!
Michael