Roald Amundsen (1872-1928), Norwegian Explorer

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Topic author: NearNorsewood
Subject: Roald Amundsen (1872-1928), Norwegian Explorer
Posted on: 21/05/2005 14:14:05
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Can anyone tell me who were the parents and paternal grandparents of Roald (Raold?) Amundsen (1872-1928), Norwegian Explorer?

I have his full name as both Roald Engebreth Gravning Amundsen and Roald Engelbregt Grauning Amundsen. Apparently he was born July 16, 1872. One source says he was born on the family estate at Hvidsten, which lies between Sarpsborg and Fredrikstad. Another says he was born at Borge. Another says "near Oslo".

His uncle (his father's brother?) - Amund Amundsen (born 1843) - emigrated to New Zealand in 1875 on the 'Fritz Reuter' (from Hamburg) with his wife and children. Amund and family are not found on the emigrant list at Digitalarkivet, but came to New Zealand after spending some time in Sweden.

I am trying to find out about the common ancestors, and family background, as I have been given a manuscript written in the 1960s by Amund Amundsen's granddaughter (now deceased) which recalls her childhood memories from 1897-1912. I would like to publish this manuscript and am hoping to include some family tree info, especially as the author makes reference to the family's correspondence with Roald Amundsen immediately prior to his disappearance.

I would also like info about Amund Amundsen and family. He emigrated with his wife (Elise Larsdatter, born Norway 1848) and four children (Carl b. Norway, age 8; Lars Wilhelm b. Norway, age 5; Annie Louisa b. Norway, age 3; Albert b. ?Sweden, age 9 months).

Several other children were born in New Zealand.

Amund also had a sister who emigrated to Australia who is referred to as "Mrs Heiberg" in the manuscript..

Any information about these people would be greatly appreciated.

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Reply author: hasto
Replied on: 21/05/2005 21:50:03
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Roald Amundsen was born 1872 and is mentioned in the 1865 census!
The record says: Parents of Roald Amundsen (written later on): http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f60113&gardpostnr=195&personpostnr=1247&merk=1247#ovre

The farm is Hvidsten, the parish is Borge.
His parents were: Jens Amundsen, born ca 1821 in Hvaler parish and Gustava, born ca 1838 in Fredrikstad town.
Jens Amundsen's father is also there, Ole Amundsen (82), born in Fredrikshald. And there are 4 unmarried aunts of Roald, and Arthur, son of Johannes Amundsen.

Roalds uncle Amund Amundsen, born ca 1816, lived in a neighbouring house: http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f60113&gardpostnr=193#nedre

Reply author: hasto
Replied on: 22/05/2005 14:10:16
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Roald Amundsen's parents moved to Oslo when he was 2 yrs old. Here he is in 1875 census: http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f70301&gardpostnr=1130&personpostnr=34178&merk=34178#ovre

In 1865 Amund Amundsen (50), an uncle of Roald Amundsen, lived next to Roald's parents in Hvidsten, Borge.
That age does not fit with your information of an uncle Amund Amundsen born ca 1847. Should that year be 1817? Or can it be another uncle?

I found the old Amund Amundsen's Danish wife and mother-in-law in Familysearch:

CHRISTIANE HELENE JACOBSEN
Christening: 04 OCT 1829 Frue Kirke Or Vor Frue Kirke, København, Denmark
Father: JØRGEN JACOBSEN Mother: JOHANNE MARIE SØRENSEN
LDS IGI Batch No.: C202048

CAROLINE EMILIE JØRGENSEN
Christening: 24 JUN 1827 Frue Kirke Or Vor Frue Kirke, København,
Father: JØRGEN JACOBSEN Mother: JOHANNE MARIE SØRENSEN

KAREN KIRSTINE JØRGENSEN
Birth: 18 FEB 1823
Christening: 06 APR 1823 Trinitatis, København,
Father: JØRGEN JACOBSEN Mother: JOHANNE MARIE SØRENSEN

JØRGEN JACOBSEN
Spouse: JOHANNE MARIE SØRENSEN
Marriage: 08 NOV 1822 Garnisons Sogn, København,

Reply author: NearNorsewood
Replied on: 23/05/2005 13:03:25
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Harald, you're a champion! Thank you.

It's possible the date for Amund Amundsen is wrong. I have discovered other errors in source material. Looks like I'll have to go mining for a more reliable source.

Reply author: elliot92
Replied on: 29/05/2005 05:21:01
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My grandmother was Aileen Amundsen Pahus and her father's name was Amund. I have always been under the impression that Roald was her Uncle. My grandmother was born in 1901 in Iowa, United States. If you would please send me your email address, I will get with my Mother and Aunt and see what other information I can provide.

Reply author: NearNorsewood
Replied on: 17/06/2005 22:45:23
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I am still trying to make a connection between Amund AMUNDSEN who emigrated to New Zealand, and Roald AMUNDSEN.

I found that the Amund AMUNDSEN, supposed uncle of Roald AMUNDSEN, who emigrated to New Zealand, was married to Elise LARSDATTER. See
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=hentglobal®ister=fornavn&pgj=67&teljing=ft1865&filnamn=f60423.wc2&amt=4&funnenr=270.
Apparently, they lived in Sweden for some years before coming to NZ.

He came to NZ on the ship Fritz Reuter in 1875 with his wife and children (Carl b. Norway, 8 years; Lars b. Norway, 5 years; Annie b. Norway, 3 years; and Albert possibly b. Sweden, approx 9 mths). Several other children were born in NZ.

Reply author: hasto
Replied on: 17/06/2005 23:56:33
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Amund Amundsen , born 1842 in Grue, was not an uncle of Roald Amundsen. He was a son of Amund Pedersen, according to church records in Familysearch: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/igi/individual_record.asp?recid=100226234390&lds=1®ion=12®ionfriendly=Norway&juris1=&juris2=&juris3=&juris4=®ionfriendly=&juris1friendly=&juris2friendly=&juris3friendly=&juris4friendly=

His parents in 1865 census:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f60423&gardpostnr=842&personpostnr=4302&merk=4302#ovre

Reply author: hasto
Replied on: 18/06/2005 08:47:42
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Amund Amundsen of Grue: http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f60423&gardpostnr=836&personpostnr=4268&merk=4268#ovre

He was born in Grue parish, according to the census. He probably was the son of Amund Pedersen (according to Familysearch). He was from a rural area, and used a patronymic surname like most Norwegian did at this time.

Roald Amundsen was a son of Jens Amundsen. This family had adopted the new costum of using a family surname. They were from a skipper family at the coast, where they first started using family surnames. I guess there is no relation between the Amundsen of Grue and Amundsen of Borge.

Reply author: NearNorsewood
Replied on: 18/06/2005 11:16:45
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The family claim they claim to have received letters from Roald Amundsen, stating his intention to visit his extended family in New Zealand and Australia (Amund Amundsen in NZ, and a Mrs Heiberg in Australia). I haven't been able to find an obvious connection.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 18/06/2005 13:42:51
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Hi,
this must be Roald Amundsens father:
Jens Amundsen, Christening: 09 MAR 1821, Rygge, Østfold, Norway. Parents: AMUND MAGNUSEN & CAREN JENSDR.

Doing a parent search at LDS, shows the following children to Amund Magnusen & Karen Jensdatter:

• Anne Margrethe Amundsen - Christening: 30 AUG 1812 Rygge, Østfold, Norway
• Magnus Amundsen - Christening: 05 FEB 1815 Rygge, Østfold, Norway
• Fredericha Amundsen - Christening: 26 DEC 1817 Rygge, Østfold, Norway
• Jens Amundsen - Christening: 09 MAR 1821 Rygge, Østfold, Norway (1820?)
• Lars Amundsen - Birth: 26 AUG 1824 Rygge, Østfold, Norway
• Lorentz Christian Amundsen - Birth: 24 JUN 1827, Christening: 22 JUL 1827 Rygge, Østfold, Norway
• Fredrik Christian Amundsen - Birth: 20 MAY 1831, Christening: 05 JUN 1831 Rygge, Østfold, Norway. Death 1903

Reply author: hasto
Replied on: 18/06/2005 22:28:00
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No, I guess this record shows the parents of Roald Amundsen: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=500222523047&lds=1®ion=12®ionfriendly=Norway&frompage=99

His father's father was Ole Amundsen (82 in 1865 census. born in Halden). His mother's father was Gustav Sahlqvist.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 18/06/2005 22:32:51
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Hi,
you mentioned something about a Mrs. Heiberg in Australia. I wonder if she could be related to Consul Axel Heiberg (1848–1932) ?

Consul Axel Heiberg was a wealthy business man in Oslo, and worked in his early years as a vice-consul in China. When he moved back to Norway, he bought a lot of industrial companies, and he was also one of the 3 founders for the norwegian brewery "Ringnes".

The interesting part is that Axel Heiberg was a major sponsor for Roald Amundsen's expeditions!
Axel Heiberg has even a Glacier named after him, in the Antarctic.

Here he us in census-1865 and census-1900

His wife Ragnhild is the daughter of Thorvald Meyer (1818-1909), the richest man in Oslo at his time. He gave away major parts of the "Grünerløkka" area/ward in Oslo to Oslo muncipality.

Census-1865 also shows some Amundsens living in the same apartment block, but I doubt there is any relation there...

Jan Peter

Reply author: NearNorsewood
Replied on: 20/06/2005 23:27:29
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Thanks, everyone. I've ordered a copy of Amund Amundsen's death certificate from 1924. This should have his parents' names on it - IF the person who registered his death knew their names. Hopefully, this will help solve this mystery.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 20/06/2005 23:54:05
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Hmmm... I doubt his death certificate would bring you any closer to Amund Amundsen,

There's no doubt that Roald Amundsen's parents was Jens and Gustava Amundsen. Jens born ca 1820 on Hvaløerne, Østfold, Gustava born ca 1838 in Fredrikstad, Østfold.

Full name: Jens Ingebret Amundsen and Hanna Henrikke Gustava Sahlqvist.

Roald Amundsen got never married, but had several affairs with married women...

Jan Peter

Reply author: NearNorsewood
Replied on: 27/06/2005 00:45:06
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I have a copy of the death registration for Amund Amundsen. He was born in Hamer, Norway. His father was Amund Amundsen. Mother not recorded.

Where is Hamer?

Reply author: Shirley Early
Replied on: 14/07/2005 13:34:50
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Hi Pip,
well I would just like to add my little bit of informatin,
Roald Amundsen appears on my family tree, as he is my great grandmother Andrine Marie Thorstensen (who lived in Norsewood NZ,) 3rd cousin, I have the whole family well documented with all the birth death and marriage dates as well as places, I am pretty much assured they are correct, they were sent to me via a relative in Norway, and the informtion is also in the Bydeboks that I have his mothers name was
Hanna Henriette Gustava Sahlquist born 16 Feb 1837 in Glemmen she died 9 Se[t 1893 in Kristiania (Oslo) his father is Jens Engebreth Amundsen born 27 Dec 1820 in Snekotta Hvaler he died 15 Aug 1886
I have tons more information on the family, and would really love to hear from you via my email address, as I too am in NZ
it is all very exciting, I have done a lot of Norwegian research, and of course would love to help fill in some gaps esp. for my personal family cheers Shirley.

Reply author: Steve Little
Replied on: 29/12/2007 12:33:04
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Originally posted by Shirley Early

Hi Pip,
well I would just like to add my little bit of informatin,
Roald Amundsen appears on my family tree, as he is my great grandmother Andrine Marie Thorstensen (who lived in Norsewood NZ,) 3rd cousin, I have the whole family well documented with all the birth death and marriage dates as well as places, I am pretty much assured they are correct, they were sent to me via a relative in Norway, and the informtion is also in the Bydeboks that I have his mothers name was
Hanna Henriette Gustava Sahlquist born 16 Feb 1837 in Glemmen she died 9 Se[t 1893 in Kristiania (Oslo) his father is Jens Engebreth Amundsen born 27 Dec 1820 in Snekotta Hvaler he died 15 Aug 1886
I have tons more information on the family, and would really love to hear from you via my email address, as I too am in NZ
it is all very exciting, I have done a lot of Norwegian research, and of course would love to help fill in some gaps esp. for my personal family cheers Shirley.

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Reply author: Steve Little
Replied on: 30/12/2007 01:18:25
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I am a descendent of both Amund Amundsen and Nicolai & Karen Hansen who were first settlers of Norsewood in 1872 from the Hovding. I believe my great grandparents were Lars William and Elese Rebekka Hansen (spelling unsure). My grandmother was Violet Amundsen (aka Emmerson).

My grandmaother told me when I was quite young that Roald Amundsen was a relative and that she had knowledge of him coming to NZ but he disappeared before coming. I recall her showing me a letter in a "funny language' which was obviously Norwegian which was reputedly from him. My Nana and I looked up an encyclopaedia about Roald for me to do a show and tell at school. I have the book still today. I would have been about seven (1958).

I know very little about our family history but would love to know anything. My Mum believes Lars had a Hotel. The family talks about a place in the area of Norsewood called Pateney (spelling unsure) but I can't trace it through the Geographical Names Board. Is it a property name?

My wife, Robyn, and I have been to Oslo and visited the Roald Amundsen house and his Museum with his 2 ships. Happy to email photos. We have also read his biography.

We live in Australia so can't just pop down to Norsewood but will make a special trip when we have sufficient information and contacts to make it a very memorable visit.
Steve

Reply author: Karl Amundsen
Replied on: 30/12/2007 04:45:41
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Greetings from New Zealand.

We are trying to establish if anyone has documentary evidence linking the Amund Amundsen family, with the Jens Amundsen family.

Because if they are not related (Jens & Amund) then relatives in New Zealand who are related back to Amund Amundsen of Dannevirke, are not related to the explorer family of Roald Amundsen, as many have assumed to date.

for Karl

Reply author: Steve Little
Replied on: 30/12/2007 08:20:47
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Karl, I have confirmed the information above in Shirley Early's post re the birth and death dates of Roald Amundsen's parents from Roald Amundsen's biography. She says she has evidence to link the NZ connection. I am hoping she will respond to these postings so we can seek further info. Steve

Reply author: Shirley Early
Replied on: 30/12/2007 11:52:53
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Hi Steve and Karl, as you can see in my reply to Pip. I have a very extensive tree for Roald Amundsen, and if you want any info only too willing to share. my grandmother came alone to NZ she married Adolph Theodore Thorstensen in Napier and they bought up a family of 12 children in Norsewood. my grandfather was the 2nd eldest. I have also been to Norway, met my Thorstensen relatives there and we were thoroughly spoilt and welcomed. by about 59 of the 65 that live there. They also confirmed that Amundsen was a relative to the girl from Hvaler I have since been contacted by two diff. people in USA who are descended from two of his uncles family and we have completed more information. so if you would like to know further please don't hesitate to contact me. cheers Shirley

Reply author: Shirley Early
Replied on: 30/12/2007 11:56:01
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Hi again, think I missed out the great in the line, it is my great grandmother who is Roald Amundsen's 3rd cousin.
my email address I have sent to you Steve. so you cn contact me off list if you want. no prob.
cheers Shirley.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 30/12/2007 13:01:28
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Perhaps some answers could be found in these links about the explorer Roald Amundsen

Could this be the connection?

Borg 1865, farmer and shipowner Amund Amundsen and wife Christiane, two children Olaf and Amalie, Christianes mother Johanne, her sister Karoline and three servants.

Amund Amundsen was likely an elder brother of the explorer Roald Amundsen´s father, farmer and shipowner Jens Amundsen with family.
His father was Ole Amundsen age 82, born in Fredrikshald (Halden)

Both Amund and Jens was born on Hvalerøen

Kåre

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 30/12/2007 23:25:52
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Amund Amundsen and Jens Ingebret Amundsen were brothers

Hvaler Sept. 22.1816, #10 Amund Amundsen born Mai 22.
Parents: Ole Amundsen and Anne Kristine Gravning farm Snekotte.

Hvaler Jan. 30.1821, #3 Jens Engebreth Amundsen born Dec. 27. 1820.
Parents: Ole Amundsen and Anne Kristine Amundsen Snekotte.

Kåre

Reply author: Pamela Gordon
Replied on: 30/12/2007 23:35:23
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my great grandfather, Oluf Andersen, born in Oslo in 1859 was in the Norwegian Merchant Marine. His passport is signed in several entries by "Amundsen". Could this have been Jens Amundsen, father of Roald? Was he the captain on any ships? I know he ran a shipping company. Where can I listing of ships that he may have captained or owned?

Reply author: Shirley Early
Replied on: 15/03/2008 06:50:56
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Hi Everyone, well I am just updating Roald Amudnsen's family, Kari is correct with her information, I have Jens brother Amund's family, he married twice, and the info that Kari posted is about his second wife, and family, the two children went on to have descendands right up until abouat 1957, but they all seem to be in Norway, I now have the lines of these brothers on my tree, due to contact with w family members in USA Jens other brothers. Petter, Johannes, Amund, Carl,and my line Jens. so if anyone wants confirmation of information, only too willing to share. cheers Shirley NZ

Reply author: NearNorsewood
Replied on: 24/03/2008 04:01:09
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For the record, the Amund AMUNDSEN who settled at Ormondville (near Norsewood), Hawkes Bay, New Zealand, is *NOT* related to Roald AMUNDSEN.

Reply author: Evvan
Replied on: 25/04/2008 21:21:08
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Hello, i saw this forum and wanted to know if someone can help me.

I am a descendent of the Amundsen's from Norway, . My great great grandfathers name was Lars Amundsen and he married Ellen "last name unknown" in Norway, in 1883 my great grandpa Peter Amundsen was born in Norway and his family moved from there to the US and settled in Morris Illinois, he met and married Lizzie "last name unknown" and had 4 children, one of which was my grandpa Lars Amundson, born in 1913, they then moved to Ketchikan Alaska and that is where my family no resides to this day.


In 1934 my grandpa met and married my grandma Laura Evylin Wakfield, they had 6 children consisting of my mom and aunts and uncles. Lars Amundsen died in 1966 from heart complications and my grandma died in 1987 five months before i was born, After she had passed away my Mom's sister for un known reason went to my grandma's house and went into the attic and took out all our family's history document's and possetion's and burned them on the front lawn, along with our family's history a picture of my great great grandpa and Roald Amundsen was said to be burned as well.

and one more thing, for some reason half my family members in Alaska have there name spelled Amundsen and the other half is spelled Amundson, i was told it was like that because sen is the Norwegian spelling for son...

If anyone has any information that could help me fill in or somewhat complete my family tree please e mail me at longevvan@yahoo.com, thanks for your time

Reply author: atle-unnimarie
Replied on: 26/04/2008 05:06:14
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This is not relevant to the familial relationships of Amundson, but surely is to the person. Come May 17, we here in Los Angeles area will gather as we do annually at AMUNDSON Field in Pacific Palisades to honor him and Norway. Festivities and fun for children of all ages.

For the spiritual side and more socializing we will adjourn to The Seamans Church in San Pedro.

This day will not be much different than many communities around the world, but I am pleased that the originators locally chose to honor AMUNDSON as the Norwegian of American & World influence.

No, I am not related. I simply respect the movers & shakers of any ethnic group of any era. We need them. May their vistas be boundless

Reply author: terry emerson
Replied on: 16/05/2008 06:49:26
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Hi Steve Little and Pip,
Re AMUND AMUNDSEN - AMUND was my Great Grandfather, LARS my Grandfather, and STAN EMERSON (formerly Amundsen) my father, So Steve we would be related! 1st cousins Once removed I think?
I have a good deal of AMUNDSEN family tree information, and will gladly share this with you. Perhaps we should start a new topic AMUND AMUNDSEN and descendents etc??
I have only started on this site today, having been referred to it by my oldest Son John.
(Incidently Violet was of course my Aunt (Aunty Vi) and I she once stayed with us about 1950!

I have not done much on AMUNDSEN family research for some time, but have quite a bit of info incl some old photos, and research done by a NZ cousin Noel Selwyn MURRAY (now deceased) who did a lot of research going back to Norway. I would be very pleased to hear from you and can correspond by email if you are happy to do so? look forward to hearing from you both. with best wishes.

Reply author: atle-unnimarie
Replied on: 16/05/2008 09:09:34
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Originally posted by atle-unnimarie

This is not relevant to the familial relationships of Amundson, but surely is to the person. Come May 17, we here in Los Angeles area will gather as we do annually at AMUNDSON Field in Pacific Palisades to honor him and Norway. Festivities and fun for children of all ages.

For the spiritual side and more socializing we will adjourn to The Seamans Church in San Pedro.

This day will not be much different than many communities around the world, but I am pleased that the originators locally chose to honor AMUNDSEN as the Norwegian of American & World influence.

No, I am not related. I simply respect the movers & shakers of any ethnic group of any era. We need them. May their vistas be boundless

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Reply author: NearNorsewood
Replied on: 17/05/2008 01:55:46
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I have started a new thread about Amund AMUNDSEN here:

Amund AMUNDSEN & Elise LARSDATTER: Grue to NZ
www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3794

Reply author: Steve Little
Replied on: 18/05/2008 12:56:30
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Thanks Terry, have received your personal email courtesy of the webmaster on this site. My Mum has often spoken of you but didn't know where you where. I have responded to your email - hope you get it ok. Look forward to sharing info. Steve

Reply author: terry emerson
Replied on: 23/06/2008 08:52:13
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Pip
I am confused here, as when I click on the above topic 3794, it takes me back to the topic on Roald Amundsen, not AMUND AMUNDSEN? Am I doing something wrong here?

I am still working on the descendents of LARS AND ELISE AMUNDSEN, my Grandparents, one noteworthy change which I can confirm is that CYRIL PERCY EDWARD, and Mick or Michael AMUNDSEN is the same person. he was also known as HARRY EDGAR EMERSON = I have a reference to this info from the Public Trustee, Napier.

thanks for all your work and help

terry emerson

Reply author: NearNorsewood
Replied on: 23/06/2008 11:14:45
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The link is working here. You could try right-clicking to open in a new tab or window.

Thanks for the additional info.

Reply author: GeraldoCabeceiras
Replied on: 29/01/2009 04:01:43
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I have been doing research on Roald Amundsen's life since I was 13, that is more than 30 years ago. I have managed to acquire all of the books he authored but "The Northeast Passage", and I am developing a site comemorating his life and achievements.
I have read here that Shirley Early, for instance, has lots of info on his genealogy. I would be very much interested in that, in case se or anyone else here would be willing to share it.
Thanks very much indeed.

Reply author: mkeys
Replied on: 08/02/2009 20:50:18
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I am related to Roald Amundsen on the Botne side of the family from Hvaler. Am glad to share the information with anyone interested. Shirley Early is also my 'cousin' from that side of the family. Mary

Reply author: Beverly Hiatt
Replied on: 09/05/2009 16:15:04
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Anna, Johan and Agnes were placed in an orphanage in Lyon County Iowa after the death of their parents, Amund Amundson and Emma Christine Johnson both from Norway. The Iowa census of 1900 shows the children on the list of residents.
There are many Amund Amundsons (sen) with the spelling poss. chgd at the time of immigration. My family only has a verbal story from my grandmother Agnes, now desceased] of the Roald connection. Agnes was b. in either North Dakota,USA or Dakota terr.
I am a friend of the granddaughter of Torkel Oftelie who wrote and was a friend of Roald A, However with so many years passed we cannot find any history of my greatgrandparents.

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 09/05/2009 17:57:57
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Hi Beverly,
some LDS records (www.familysearch.org) indicate that the children of Amund Amundson & Emma Johnson are born in South Bend, St.Joseph, Indiana. In addition to Anna, Johan and Agnes, they also list one Anton Emil Amundson, born 07 Sep 1881 in South Bend, St.Joseph, Indiana, dead 15 MAY 1973. Anton Emil married Alma Augustsson Johansson (of Swedish descent) on 15 Dec 1909 in St.Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota.

Father Amund Amundson is listed as born 19 May 1852 in Trondheim, Trondelag, Norway, dead 19 Jan 1892 in Hillsboro, Traill, No.Dakota

I found one Amund Amundsen, born May 19th, 1852 in Norway!

Amund Amundsen
Birth: 19 MAY 1852
Christening: 27 JUN 1852, Kvernes, Møre & Romsdal
Parents: Amund Rasmussen & Else Anna Johannesdr
Source: Møre og Romsdal county, Kvernes, Parish register (official) nr. 568A10 (1830-1853), Birth and baptism records 1852, page 163.

Amund is a twin with Ane Olava Amundsen. Amund and Ane Olava are listed as illegitimate childs, ie. parents are not married.

Here is Amund and Olava on the Stakvik farm in Kvernes, census-1865.
Their mother has married Ole Paulsen, and Amund and Olava are listed as his stepson (-daughter).

Jan Peter

Reply author: Beverly Hiatt
Replied on: 09/05/2009 18:47:34
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Thank you so much. This makes sense as I suspected an older son was previously at the same orphanage due to writings from orphanage material. I am going to check all of this out in detail. Thank you again. I am also going to try to now move this to the Amund/Norwgian ln America link. New here so not quite sure about navigation.

Reply author: JackieAmes
Replied on: 22/11/2009 18:28:05
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Hello Shirley!

I am the great great grand daughter of Ole Jacob Amundsen - allegedly Roald Amundsen's first cousin who immigrated from Norway to North Dakota (and then into Canada). I'm trying to find that connection, however. If I understand correctly, Roald's father was Jens Amundsen and Ole Jacob's father was Ole Amundsen - I'm assuming Ole and Jens were brothers. Do you know who their parents were? I'd be grateful for any information. I'm completely new at this!

Thanks,

Jackie Ames

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Originally posted by Shirley Early

Hi Pip,
well I would just like to add my little bit of informatin,
Roald Amundsen appears on my family tree, as he is my great grandmother Andrine Marie Thorstensen (who lived in Norsewood NZ,) 3rd cousin, I have the whole family well documented with all the birth death and marriage dates as well as places, I am pretty much assured they are correct, they were sent to me via a relative in Norway, and the informtion is also in the Bydeboks that I have his mothers name was
Hanna Henriette Gustava Sahlquist born 16 Feb 1837 in Glemmen she died 9 Se[t 1893 in Kristiania (Oslo) his father is Jens Engebreth Amundsen born 27 Dec 1820 in Snekotta Hvaler he died 15 Aug 1886
I have tons more information on the family, and would really love to hear from you via my email address, as I too am in NZ
it is all very exciting, I have done a lot of Norwegian research, and of course would love to help fill in some gaps esp. for my personal family cheers Shirley.

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Reply author: terry emerson
Replied on: 23/11/2009 00:57:57
Message:

Hi Pip,
Re AMUND AMUNDSEN, my Great Grandfather,
according to papers sent to me some years ago by second cousin Noel Murray of Auckland (now dec'd), AMUND was born on 06.11.1841, his father was AMUND PEDERSEN KALNESET MOLDUSBRATEN, who died on 17.12.1876; and his mother was KARI DANIELSD MULDUSEN die 10.01.1808. (I also have AMUND's death cert which shows his father as AMUND AMUNDSEN0.

There is a lot of info in these papers and I would be happy to post you a cop[y if you would like to check them out for accuracy etc? if you would email me your postal address Ill post a copy off to you. I haven't done much on this side of the family for some time, so am trying to catch up now. (I have just ordered a copy of WW1 service records for Albert Alfred William (George) AMUNDSEN - my Uncle)
many thanks for your work, regards

terry emerson

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 23/11/2009 13:45:40
Message:

Jackie,
the explorer Roald Engelbrekt Graving Amundsen was born to skipowner Jens Ingebrekt Amundsen and Hanna Henrika Gustava Salquist.
They married in Sarpsborg March 15. 1863, see #2

Bachelor and Skipper Jens Enebrekt Amundsen from Hvitsteen on Hvalerøerne, current Hvaler and maid Hanna Henrika Gustave Salquist from Nygaard in Glemmen.

Fathers: Skipper Ole Amundsen and "Fogd" Bailiff Gustav Salquist

In 1866, six years before Roald was born, he was invoved in the transportation of Chinees workers to the Carribean with the Full rigged ship Constantin. During a revolt on board he was rescued by the mate, but carried with him a characteristic scar from the ear down to the mouth.
Source: Norwegian Department of Foreign Affairs.

Kåre

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 23/11/2009 14:35:22
Message:

Jens Engebreth Amundsen was born on Snekotta, Hvaler, Dec. 27. 1820, bap Jan 30. 1821 to Ole Amundsen and Anne Kristine Amundsen, see #3

Kåre

Reply author: Beverly Hiatt
Replied on: 23/11/2009 16:19:05
Message:

Can the nwest be posted first?

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 23/11/2009 16:44:30
Message:

Jackie.
I missed that you had all the answers from Shirley, sorry.

Well, interesting answers may not be repeated to often (Norwgian saying)

I think I have been working with Snøkotta in an earler topic here in Norway Heritage.

Kåre

Reply author: Beverly Hiatt
Replied on: 30/11/2009 14:57:32
Message:

What are the names of the brothers of Roald Amundson? Some sites have Gustave and Leon as two different people and some with the name GustaveLeon as one. Roald refers at times to Gustave and at other times Leon.
Also Noble and Martin on sites. Only 3 brothers. I am confused...Beverly Hiatt

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 30/11/2009 17:40:43
Message:

Hi.
Roald Amundsen had three older brothers, the parents lived in China where Jens Ole Antonius Amundsen was born 1866 before they returned to Norway.

- Gustav Salquist Amundsen born in Borge June 1868
- Leon Henry Benham Amundsen born in Borge Sept. 1870.

Kåre

Reply author: jwiborg
Replied on: 30/11/2009 17:41:51
Message:

Hi,
Jens Ingebrigt Amundsen (1820–86) and wife Hanna Henrikke Gustava Sahlquist (1837–93) had (at least) these sons:

Antonio Amundsen, born 1866 in Macao, China
Gustav Sahlqvist Amundsen, born 07 Jun 1868
Leon Henry Benham Amundsen, born 04 Sep 1870
Roald Engebregt Gravning Amundsen, born 16 Jul 1872

Jan Peter

Reply author: Beverly Hiatt
Replied on: 30/11/2009 18:00:21
Message:

Re: Roalds brothers , many thanks to all! Beverly

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 30/11/2009 23:00:01
Message:

Less known about Rolad Amundsen is this episode.

Early January 1896 the two brothers Leon and Roald Amundsen were crossing the mountain plateu Hardangervidda on ski where the weather in the wintertime can be very rough and dangerous.
They got lost and Roald nearly died in a snow cave during a break. He was rescued by Leon at the last minute.

News about Amundsen:
1902 Amundsen tried to be the first to travers the North West passage, north of Canada, with his ship Gjøa.
He and the crew stayed for almost two years in what later was called Gjøahavn-Gjøa Harbour, current Gjoa Haven
In 2007 Norwegian TV visited Gjøahavn and interviewed people who lived there , among other things, to someone who told they were descendants of Amundsen.

August 2009.
An expedition from the Norwegian navy left Tromsø for the sea of Bjørnøya in searsh for Roald Amundsens airplane Latham with the Untonomous underwater vehicle Hugin 1000.

If all data collected is reviewed I do not know.

Kåre

Reply author: Joanne Boissevain
Replied on: 06/02/2011 05:07:13
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by Shirley Early

Hi Everyone, well I am just updating Roald Amudnsen's family, Kari is correct with her information, I have Jens brother Amund's family, he married twice, and the info that Kari posted is about his second wife, and family, the two children went on to have descendands right up until abouat 1957, but they all seem to be in Norway, I now have the lines of these brothers on my tree, due to contact with w family members in USA Jens other brothers. Petter, Johannes, Amund, Carl,and my line Jens. so if anyone wants confirmation of information, only too willing to share. cheers Shirley NZ

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Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 06/02/2011 20:01:18
Message:

Dec. 14. 2011,
it´s 100 years since Amundsen, Bjaaland, Hansen, Wisting and Hassel reached the South Pole

Norwegian descendants of the South Pole explorers 2011.

Kåre

Reply author: stevebaker
Replied on: 19/05/2011 05:59:46
Message:

I'm brand new here, but I came across this forum in my attempt to locate any keys to tracking down . My entire life my family has mentioned that I am related to Roald Amundsen, but no connection was ever made. Any mention of this was always matter of fact. Recently I was provided a very sparse family tree on the Amundsen side of my family, but I am not able to make any connection to Roald as it only goes back to my Great Grandfather Amund Amundsen of Oslo. This paper states he was born in 1857 in Borum. I see that Shirley of NZ has a lot of information on this, but I am unable to contact her via email as I am too new here. Any information that can be passed along is greatly appreciated!!

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 19/05/2011 10:10:17
Message:

............Amund Amundsen of Oslo.............was born 1857 i Borum

Perhaps he was born in Bærum

Kåre

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 20/05/2011 01:26:01
Message:

Hi,

If you have an exact date of birth you would be able to look in the baptism records of Bærum at the Norwegian digital archives (with less pain that is) to see if your Amund Amundson is found there

Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 20/05/2011 06:16:14
Message:

The 1865 census shows that 7 Amund Amundsen were born in 1857. None of them born or living in Bærum.
Info in your family tree may be of help for further studies.

Reply author: stevebaker
Replied on: 20/05/2011 06:49:33
Message:

You are correct. The notes are hand written, and it appears his place of birth states "Borion, Norway (near Oslo)". I would assume that it is Bærum?? It also states that he died February 11, 1924 in Alcester, South Dakota. I noticed that his first born son (my Great Uncle), Aksel Ingvald, was born October 7th, 1883 in "Norde Odalen, Oslo". So it appears that he resided in Odalen until some point in the 1890s where he appears in Alcester, South Dakota. Thanks so much for the help on this.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 20/05/2011 16:32:18
Message:

Hi,

If the Amund Amundson in the 1920 US Fed Census in Union County S.D. is yours--it appears the family came about 1906. The last 5 children, aged 3-14, were all born in South Dakota. It looks like a year of migration is included as 1906.

Alf may be in the WWI draft registration cards with a birthdate and place--that might help.

This family may also appear in the 1900 Norwegian census....

Hilsen,
Jackie M.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 20/05/2011 19:24:44
Message:

Hi,

Pasting in information about the family in 1900, found in Bærum:


Person list Circuit Circuit Farm no. Farm unit no. Farm No. of pers. No. of persons No. of pers. domiciled Grain, potatoes
21 21 Bærums 1 under 8 2 Vestli under Ekeberg 7 7 7 j
Household no. Given name Last name Sex Resident Family pos. Marital status Occupation Year of birth Birth place Nationality Religion
170 1 Amund Amunds. m b hf g Husmand u j 1857 Søndre Odalen Hed n s
171 Martha Amunds. k b hm g Jordarb. og gartneriarb. 1872 Nordre Odalen Hed n s
172 Aksel Amunds. m b s ug arbeider i gartneriet 1883 Søndre Odalen Hed n s
173 Emil Amunds. m b s ug 1888 Ullensaker Ak n s
174 Alf Amunds. m b s ug 1895 Nordre Odalen Hed n s
175 Margit Amunds. k b d ug 1896 t n s
176 Hilda Amunds. k b d ug 16.04.1899 t n s


Jackie M.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 20/05/2011 19:37:34
Message:

Hi,

It appears that I've lost my ability to edit my previous posts!

Here I'm pasting in from the Emigranter i Kristiania list from the Norwegian Digital Archives which shows at least two members of the family Amund and son Emil leaving in 1906:

Year Page Line no. New family gr. Transaction date Date of departure Given name Last name Marital status Occupation Sex Age Date of birth Domicile Destination With cash Line Ship Freight (kr) Payment info. Purpose New occup. Permission Remarks

163560 1906 156 21 1 05.04.1906 06.04.1906 Amund Amunds. g arb. m 48 Bærum Jowa 100 Bennett Salmo 444 2 pers. tj. p. farm

163561 1906 156 22 05.04.1906 06.04.1906 Emil Amunds. ug arb. m 18 Bærum Jowa Bennett


Jackie M.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 20/05/2011 22:34:36
Message:

The baptismal record for your great uncle Axel Ingvald is S115.
Father Amund Amundsen and mother Anne Eriksdatter.

The parents were married Jan 3 1883, see U3.

When the son Alf was born Amund Amundsen was married to Marthe Andersdatter (his 2nd wife), see #8.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 21/05/2011 00:35:43
Message:

quote:

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Originally posted by eibache
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When the son Alf was born Amund Amundsen was married to Marthe Andersdatter (his 2nd wife), see #8.

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Reply author: stevebaker
Replied on: 21/05/2011 07:36:37
Message:

Wow! You people are amazing. It's incredible that you find find this information so fast. Thank you so much! How would I go about finding information on Amund's siblings and parents? I have absolutely nothing on this. Amund is as far back as the tree goes.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 21/05/2011 08:09:49
Message:

Of course, Alf was born out of wedlock, they married later, between birth of Alf and Hilda.

Amund Amundsen was born Oct 4 1857, see #179, his parents were Amund Henningsen and Maria Pedersdatter at Ousvig.
The parents and siblings in 1865.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 21/05/2011 08:27:44
Message:

Hi Steve,

If you study what's in the records already cited, you know where Amund was born (Søndre Odalen) and that he was born in 1857 and his father's name recorded in the first marriage record looks like Amund Henningsen--my interpretation of the name might be faulty and other forumites are invited hop in with better interpretation--and that there are only 7 Amund Amundson's born 1857 listed in the 1865 Norwegian census.

The transcribed Norwegian censuses are available & searchable online at the Norwegian Digital archives. The parish registers for Søndre Odalen should also be available & searchable at the Norwegian Digital archives. In the registers you will find baptisms, confirmations, marriages & funerals. This availability is what makes Norwegian family history research so much fun these days.

Good Luck!

Jackie M.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 21/05/2011 08:38:19
Message:

Amund Amundsens wife Anne Eriksdatter was born June 29 1860, see #160, her parents were Erik Gulbrandsen and Inga Amundsdatter.
Anne Elise, her father now a widower and a brother in 1865.

Reply author: stevebaker
Replied on: 24/05/2011 05:27:01
Message:

Thanks so much for the help. This gets me really excited to see all of these connections being made. So it looks like it will take a bit of leg work and digging through the digital archieves to find brothers and sisters of Amund. At least this is a great start.

Reply author: dorothyfien
Replied on: 11/11/2011 13:48:45
Message:

Hello. I'm new to this forum. I'm trying to put together my family history for my 2 children. I was always told we are related (probably in a roundabout way) to Roald Amundsen, so this discussion really interested me. Maybe I can find some relatives on here? The farthest I can go back is the names of my great-great grandparents - Henry Oalson and Aline Amundsen (my great-grandmother was Olga Oelsen.... I have 2 different spellings for the family surname). I believe Aline's parents had the surnames Amundsen and Morton. Would anyone have more information that could help me piece it all together? Thank you so much.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 11/11/2011 14:40:11
Message:

Hello.
Do you know when Aline (very unusual name) or Henry Olsen was born?
Was Olga born in the US?

Kåre

Reply author: dorothyfien
Replied on: 11/11/2011 14:46:18
Message:

I have October 30, 1855 for Aline. I don't have any other info on her husband. I'm not sure if Olga was born in the US or not. I know she married here, (in the US) to Willard Somers.

Reply author: David Yaw
Replied on: 11/11/2011 15:14:30
Message:

Fram crew list - this whole thread is absolutely fascinating. Not a direct question about the Amundesen family - but can anyone tell me where I could find the names of the crew members of the Fram from Amundsen's expeditiom to Antarctica please.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 11/11/2011 15:20:20
Message:

Hi,

A bit of info from www.familysearch.org on Olga Somers' family 1920 US federal census:

Name: Olga Somers
Residence: , Kings, New York
Estimated Birth Year: 1884
Age: 36
Birthplace: Norway
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Gender: Female
Race: White
Marital Status: Married
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Film Number: 1821178
Digital Folder Number: 4313901
Image Number: 00053
Sheet Number: 23

Household Gender Age
Spouse Willard H Somers M 43y
Olga Somers F 36y
Child Willard H Somers M 9y
Child William Somers M 7y
Child Eila Somers F 5y

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 11/11/2011 15:30:46
Message:

Here is Olga living with or visiting her parents in 1910:

Name: Olga T Somers
Birthplace: Norway
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Residence: Brooklyn Ward 23, Kings, New York
Marital Status: Married
Race : White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1884
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Family Number: 129
Page Number: 6
Household Gender Age
Parent Harry Oelsen M 65y
Parent Inger A Oelsen F 65y
Olga T Somers F 26y
Margaret O Oelsen F 24y
William H Somers M 25y
.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 11/11/2011 15:32:07
Message:

Crew list Fram 1910-12

Kåre

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 11/11/2011 15:39:33
Message:

Hi,

According to the 1910 census Harry Oelsen and Inger A came to US about 1884, Olga was born in Norway about 1884 and the daughter Margaret was born about 1886 in Kentucky.

Also from www.familysearch.org is this baptismal record for an Olga T. whose parents are Henrik Olsen and Inger Aline Amundsdatter:

Name: Olga Tomine Olsen
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 22 Jul 1883
Baptism/Christening Place: SONDELED, AUST-AGDER, NORWAY
Birth Date: 05 Jul 1883
Birth Place:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Henrik Olsen
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Inger Aline Omundsdr
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04823-9
System Origin: Norway-EASy
Source Film Number: 123662
Reference Number:

Here is the baptismal of the Olga T in the digitized parish registers, #35:


Source information: Aust-Agder county, Søndeled in Søndeled, Parish register (official) nr. A 4 (1880-1889), Birth and baptism records 1883, page 53.
Permanent pagelink: www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5110&idx_id=5110&uid=ny&idx_side=-58" target="_blank">http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5110&idx_id=5110&uid=ny&idx_side=-58

Here is a marriage record for an Henrik Olson and Inger Aline Aamundsdatter, possibly parents of Olga T. above:

Groom's Name: Henrik Olsen
Groom's Birth Date: 1844
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 31
Bride's Name: Inger Aline Aamundsdr
Bride's Birth Date: 1844
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 31
Marriage Date: 25 Jul 1875
Marriage Place: , Sondeled, Aust-Agder, Norway
Groom's Father's Name: Ole Henriksen
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: Aamund Torvildsen
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M42069-4
System Origin: Norway-EASy
Source Film Number: 123662
Reference Number:

Here is the record of the marriage of Henrik & Inger Aline,at the digital archives, #38:

Source information: Aust-Agder county, Søndeled, Parish register (official) nr. A 3 (1861-1879), Marriage records 1875, page 407.
Permanent pagelink: www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=826&idx_id=826&uid=ny&idx_side=-361" target="_blank">http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=826&idx_id=826&uid=ny&idx_side=-361

Interesting Inger has been married before...


Jackie M.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 11/11/2011 17:04:46
Message:

Olga Tomine had a brother, Bjørn Severin, from Inger Alines first marriage, see bapt record 4th from bottom of page.

Inger Aline was here Omundsdatter and her first husband was a ship carpenter, see 1865 census.

Inger Aline Omundsdatter and Morten Bjørnsen were married Jan 24 1865, see #3.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 11/11/2011 17:14:56
Message:

Good find Jackie.

Søndeled, former municpality, the populated area of Søndeled merged with Risør town 1903 and became Risør municipality 1964

Kåre

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 11/11/2011 17:22:17
Message:

Inger Aline was born Oct 30 1844, see #70, her parents were Aamund Torvildsen and Karen Aanonsdatter, Kjendalen.

Reply author: dorothyfien
Replied on: 11/11/2011 17:33:35
Message:

Wow... I'm amazed how much you were able to find. Thank you so very much! I'm excited to look more into this side of my heritage!

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 11/11/2011 17:36:39
Message:

Hendrik Olsen was born July 20 1844, see #53, his parents were Ole Hendriksen and Karen Tellefsdatter, Nødenæs.

The family in 1865.

Ole Hendrichsens parents, see 1801 census.

Ole Henrichsen and Karen Tellevsdatter were married Dec 26 1835, see #16 at bottom of right page.

Karen Tellevsdatter was born Dec 6 1809, see 3rd record on right page.
her parents were Tellev Thorsen and Knudinde Knudsdatter, Markesvigen.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 11/11/2011 19:04:25
Message:

Hi,

Olga has a number of siblings in addition to sister Margaret, this from 1900 US fed census at www.familysearch.org:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12391-187431-74?cc=1325221

Some of the siblings' birth /baptisms recorded at www.familysearch.org:

www.familysearch.org/search/records#count=20&query=%2Bany_place%3Anorway~%20%2Bany_year%3A1873-1885~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Ahenrik~%20%2Bfather_surname%3Aolson~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3A%22inger%20aline%22~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Aamundsdatter~" target="_blank">https://www.familysearch.org/search/records#count=20&query=%2Bany_place%3Anorway~%20%2Bany_year%3A1873-1885~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Ahenrik~%20%2Bfather_surname%3Aolson~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3A%22inger%20aline%22~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Aamundsdatter~

Brother Olaf Kornelius birth baptism #4 1878:

Source information: Aust-Agder county, Søndeled, Parish register (official) nr. A 3 (1861-1879), Birth and baptism records 1878, page 166.
Permanent pagelink: www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=826&idx_id=826&uid=ny&idx_side=-174" target="_blank">http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=826&idx_id=826&uid=ny&idx_side=-174


Jackie M.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 11/11/2011 22:56:23
Message:

Brother Søren Martin Olander #46.

Brother Morten Henrik Leonard #6.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 12/11/2011 02:33:32
Message:

Hi,

This snippet is from the search engine of the New York Times concerning the death of Olga's sister Margaret:

... Moses Cemetery Pinelawn L I mcdonaloMargaret Anee Oelsen or Feb 22 1962 beloved sister of Olga Somers dear aunt of Wtllard H Somors md Mlldred Schneider ...
February 24, 1962

This probably the death record of Olga's brother Olaf Kornelius, found at the Italian genealogical website, deaths in New York:

Oelsen O Cornel 25 y May 9 1903 8238 Kings O425

Jackie

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 14/12/2011 23:34:14
Message:

On this day 100 years ago Roald Amundsen, Oscar Wisting, Sverre Hassel, Olav Bjaaland and Helmer Hanssen set foot on the south pole, Link

PM Jens Stoltenberg paid tribute to the explorers today, Link and unveiled a bust of ice of the polar hero, Link

It was perpas the most hazardous/greatest achievements until Neil Armastong and Buzz Aldrin set foot on the moon.

Kåre

Reply author: RandyFisher
Replied on: 18/01/2012 00:01:26
Message:

Hi everyone. I am new to this website. Hopefully someone can help me. I have been told that my Great Great Grandmother is somehow related to Roald Amundsen. Her name is Albertia Bronson Amundsen born 1842(3) in Xstiania. Her father is Guttorm Amundsen. Albertia married Mr. Christian John Danielson born 1825 in Nannestad. They married in 1859. Albertia and Christian had children, in which one daughter is Elizabeth Christine Danielson, born 1875 of Medford, USA, my Great Grandmother.

I have also found papers with her name spelled: Dorothea Albertian Amundson. But her tombstone says Albertie Bronson Amundsen.

I am not familiar with any websites in Norway. I greatly appreciate any help. Very Respectfully, Randy Fisher of Washington, D.C.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 18/01/2012 07:33:12
Message:

Your GGGrandfather was baptized Christian, see record #478
Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Nannestad, Ministerialbok nr. I 9 (1815-1840), Fødte og døpte 1824-1825, side 128-129.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7666&idx_id=7666&uid=ny&idx_side=-68.
His parents were Daniel Tellevsen and Gudbjør Olsdatter.

The parents were married Dec 29 1818, see #118
Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Nannestad, Ministerialbok nr. I 9 (1815-1840), Ekteviede 1819, side 394-395.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7666&idx_id=7666&uid=ny&idx_side=-157.
Daniel Tellefsen was then 20 years old and came from Kristiania, Gudbjør Olsdatter was 24 3/4 years old and came from Elverud.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 18/01/2012 09:01:45
Message:

Your GGGrandmother was baptized Albertine May 17 1843, see #118
Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Oslo Domkirke / Vår Frelsers menighet, Ministerialbok nr. 12 (1837-1845), Fødte og døpte 1843, side 401-402.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=654&idx_id=654&uid=ny&idx_side=-203.
Her parents were Guttorm Amundsen and Elise Sæther.

The parents were married April 15 1842, see #8
Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Garnisonsmenigheten, Ministerialbok nr. 8 (1842-1859), Ekteviede 1842, side 325.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=611&idx_id=611&uid=ny&idx_side=-326.

Guttorm Amundsen came from Hof i Solør and his father was Amund Guttormsen, Trapperud. He was baptized Jan 1 1813, see 3rd record on left page
Kildeinformasjon: Hedmark fylke, Hof, Ministerialbok nr. 4 (1790-1815), Fødte og døpte 1813, side 390-391.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9160&idx_id=9160&uid=ny&idx_side=-197.
His parents Amund Guttormsen and Helene Tostensdatter, Nygaarden.

Amund Guttormsen and Elene Torstensdatter (Helene Tostensdatter) were married April 25 1810, see 13th record on left page
Kildeinformasjon: Hedmark fylke, Hof, Ministerialbok nr. 4 (1790-1815), Ekteviede 1810-1811, side 456-457.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9160&idx_id=9160&uid=ny&idx_side=-230.

Reply author: RandyFisher
Replied on: 19/01/2012 03:18:56
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To Einar. Thank you very much for your interest. Can you tell if there is any connection from this blood chain to Roald Amundsen? I can not tell if Albertine's parents Guttorm Amundsen and his parents Amund Guttormsen are some how related to family of Roald... like cousins??? Can you tell in your database?

Again, I appreciate your time. Very Respectfully, Randy Fisher in Washington, D.C.

Reply author: eibache
Replied on: 19/01/2012 07:22:25
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Based on info in this topic and the findings in Digitalarkivet for your ancestors I see no indications that your Great Great Grandmother is related to Roald Amundsen.

Reply author: RandyFisher
Replied on: 21/01/2012 16:24:10
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Thank you again for answering my question.

I have a few more. Why does GGGGrandfather Guttorm Amundsen not take his father’s last name, Amund Guttormsen? Why would he use “Amundsen” as his last name?

Lastly, is it possible that Albertine be 2nd or 3rd cousins to Roald? I understand Roald’s father, Jens, has several brothers, Petter, Johannes, Carl, and Amund. Could one of these Roald Uncles have a son named Amund Guttormsen?

I look forward to your help in researching down a few more relatives of Roald.
Very Respectfully, Randy

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 22/01/2012 05:47:40
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Originally posted by RandyFisher

Why does GGGGrandfather Guttorm Amundsen not take his father’s last name, Amund Guttormsen? Why would he use “Amundsen” as his last name?

Lastly, is it possible that Albertine be 2nd or 3rd cousins to Roald? I understand Roald’s father, Jens, has several brothers, Petter, Johannes, Carl, and Amund. Could one of these Roald Uncles have a son named Amund Guttormsen?

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Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 22/01/2012 10:49:35
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Originally posted by RandyFisher

I understand Roald’s father, Jens, has several brothers, Petter, Johannes, Carl, and Amund. Could one of these Roald Uncles have a son named Amund Guttormsen

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Reply author: RandyFisher
Replied on: 22/01/2012 15:29:44
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So the daughter, Albertine Amundsen [person I’m interested in], would take her father’s last night of Guttorm Amundsen but the sons traditionally take their father’s first name? If so, unless we can link a “Guttorm” in the Roald chain then Albertine is probably not related (1st, 2nd nor 3rd cousins).

Thank you everyone from the United States for helping me.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 22/01/2012 15:48:42
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Hey Randy,

No, women go under the same rules--if her father was an Amund she would be an Amundsdatter, if her father was a Guttorm she was a Guttormsdatter and so on.

Datter names probably disappeared first in the immigrant population in America as there was no Yankee equivalent.

Jackie M..

Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 22/01/2012 16:29:10
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Online study material to learn about Norwegian naming practices and patterns.

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/na12.html
http://www.nndata.no/home/jborgos/names.htm
http://www.norwayheritage.com/norwegian-names.htm
http://www.nndata.no/home/jborgos/farms.htm

Reply author: RandyFisher
Replied on: 23/01/2012 02:56:08
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To Jackie... thank you for the reply. I do not understand why her name is not "Alberine Guttormsdatter" but instead breaks tradition and keeps Amundsen has her last name. Would you know of common reasons?

In Einar's earlie post they include several links to Alberine and her father and grandfather... is there any website that shows a complete listing of Roald's Uncles and Cousins? Or do I have to drill down into each uncle separately?

Basically, I have always been told that Alberine was related to Roald. We all assumed the Amundsen name would be easy to trace within the past 150 years... I guess not.

Thank you again for your time.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 23/01/2012 03:47:09
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Hi Randy,

Well, a Roald Amundson link is a very common family tale. If you read through the posts on this site, very few can be substantiated in records. It sounds like you might like to follow such a project through to make a comprehensive list of relatives, and that would be a welcome venture.

As to the name Albertine was known by, I guess the difference might be in where the record which gives her surname as Amundson is kept, in Norway or in America. Was she married in Norway and how was she recorded in that record? Most likely she was confirmed in Norway, how is she recorded in that record?

The most common reason why someone might be known by one name or another depends on the situation. In America, only very occasionally and usually at the time of the very earliest settlers will the "datter" names be recorded. Usually they become "sons" even though they are daughters. And if a person of authority, such as a clerk of court, asks your name and you aren't sure of the language or what they are meaning with the question and they then ask your father's name, you give it. The default in America is your last name is the same as your father's last name. And because of the situation above you are recorded with that name.

I know of a family here, in all the various census records from 1860-1885 are known by their father's patronymic name Knudson. After his death, then the children all changed and became Thorson which is what any male child of their father would have been known as in Norway, since his first name was Thor. Every person, every family has a different approach to their name.

Good Luck to you

Jackie M.

Reply author: ariordan
Replied on: 18/09/2013 02:04:20
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Am very interested in work done on Amundsen tree as I am still trying for the connection to Ludwig Valle who came to Victoria1860,s . We have a letter written to Ruth Valle from Roald Amundsen on way back from South Pole. We were always told he was Ludwig's father ( Truls) cousin

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 18/09/2013 03:05:10
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What does the letter say?

Reply author: ariordan
Replied on: 18/09/2013 05:52:54
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He was sending greetings and expressing wish to come to Australia some time ... actually sent to Ludwig Valle and we always thought he was a first or second cousin of Roald

Reply author: hasto
Replied on: 18/09/2013 08:30:33
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I have blogged about Roald Amundsen and all his "relatives"

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 18/09/2013 14:49:24
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Originally posted by ariordan

He was sending greetings and expressing wish to come to Australia some time ... actually sent to Ludwig Valle and we always thought he was a first or second cousin of Roald

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Reply author: ariordan
Replied on: 19/09/2013 03:09:33
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I would love to read the blog re 'relatives' in English

Reply author: ariordan
Replied on: 19/09/2013 03:47:14
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I have been told that there is a connection between the Torp family and the Valle family . I see The Torp family was connected to Amundsen .Could this be the connection from 1700's ?

Reply author: ariordan
Replied on: 19/09/2013 12:16:00
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The letter from Amundsen was in English and referred to his 'niece, Ruth Valle or Walle as oho toes are often marked

Reply author: ariordan
Replied on: 19/09/2013 12:19:29
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Sorry ..photos not toes !

Reply author: borrudn
Replied on: 20/01/2014 18:57:36
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Near Norsewood and Everyone else.

I am curious of all relatives related to Roald Amundsen.
I am the grandson of Albert Amundsen.
I apoligize but I cannot read Norwegian. I have a huge family tree and there is documents of our relation. My grandfather moved her and changed our last name. Any info would help.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 20/01/2014 19:29:18
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Originally posted by borrudn

My grandfather moved her and changed our last name. Any info would help.

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Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 20/01/2014 22:27:00
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Here is a Børrud farm in Norway in the 1900 census. Head of household's name is Ole Amundsen:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f00420&gardpostnr=245&merk=245#ovre

Reply author: borrudn
Replied on: 21/01/2014 06:05:07
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I don't know why it resent it.

All I know is my grandfather was Albert Borrud. Born Albert Amundsen in Norway. He told my father that our great great uncle was Roald Amundsen. Both my father and grandfather have passed on but I have a son that is like to share my heritage with.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 21/01/2014 06:07:11
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Nathan, you may edit or take out any of your own posts.

So Albert Borrud was from Williston area of North Dakota?

There appears to be only one Albert Borrud in US records. He was born 1925 in North Dakota. He was the son of Hjalmer Olson Børrud. Hjalmer was born in Norway at Eidskog and is in the list of children in the 1900 Norwegian census the link to which I posted before.

Was your father David Borrud? This snippet from newslibrary.com:
Bismarck Tribune, The (ND) - December 23, 2010

David Borrud
WILLISTON David A. Borrud, 58, Williston, died Dec. 18, 2010, at the Mercy Medical Center, Williston. Cremation has taken place and there will be a memorial service held at a later date.He is survived by his fiancee, Martha Krueger, Williston; his sons, Nathan and Bryan, both of Fargo; his mother, Mary, Williston; his sister, Debra Borrud, Chandler, Ariz.; three brothers, Tom, Brier, Wash., Tim, Gilbert, Ariz., and Darryl, Williston; and three grandchildren. (Everson Funeral Home


Here is Albert Borrud in 1940:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KMSM-FXS

If you click on the link on the 1940 transcription page you may see more details about Albert and his family members on that image.

The Williston Graphic is a newspaper which is mounted at the Chronicling America website and is freely searchable. I just tried searching for Borrud and found this listing announcing Hjalmer Borrud, from Ray, opening a bakery in Williston:
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn88076270/1913-06-19/ed-1/seq-1/#date1=1836&index=12&rows=20&words=Borrud&searchType=basic&sequence=0&state=North+Dakota&date2=1922&proxtext=borrud&y=9&x=11&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1

Here is Hjalmer, the bager = baker, coming to America in 1906:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=8&filnamn=EMIOSLO&gardpostnr=179674&merk=179674#ovre

Reply author: borrudn
Replied on: 21/01/2014 09:19:57
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Jk market u are correct!

My father was David Borrud.

Bakery burned down by fireworks. Hjalmer was my great grandfather. But since I can't read Norwegian very well can u tell if and how hjalmer is related to Roald Amundsen?

Reply author: borrudn
Replied on: 21/01/2014 09:31:45
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I was informed by my father that Hjalmer changed his last name from Amundsen to Borrud because there was too many Amundsen's. He also said it was given two R's in our last nameinstead of 1 R because there were Borud's in williston aalready. No relation..
But my father told my brother and I that we were great great great nephews of Roald Amundsen. But I can't find any proof. At least not in English. I hope others can see if I am.

JK Marler you have been very helpful and I appreciated the time you have put into it.

Reply author: jkmarler
Replied on: 21/01/2014 14:53:08
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Originally posted by borrudn

But since I can't read Norwegian very well can u tell if and how hjalmer is related to Roald Amundsen?

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Reply author: borrudn
Replied on: 21/01/2014 21:27:50
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Thank u so much Jk marler

Reply author: SamHolmgren95
Replied on: 26/01/2015 23:49:22
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Hello Nathan,

My name is Samuel Holmgren. If I am correct, we are 3rd cousins. I would love to connect with you.
It wouldn't let me message you on here because it said "You don't have enough posts to send an email"? My email address is: samholmgren95@gmail.com.

I hope to hear from you soon,

Sam

Reply author: JeanetteCarlson
Replied on: 05/04/2023 19:36:29
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He is my 5th great uncle I can help you with his ancestry.
I don't know if I can give you my email or phone number on here so I'm not going to leave it right now.

Norway Heritage Community : http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/