Norwegian Ims & German Ims

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Topic author: Alfons Ims
Subject: Norwegian Ims & German Ims
Posted on: 14/05/2009 18:14:07
Message:

Hi all
I'm German and new in the forum.
I'm very much interested in the relations between the Norwegian Ims' and the German Ims'.
Do you have any information about this relation? Are there any Ims who migrate from Norway to German or the other way around?
I would be happy about every hint
Best regards
Alfons Ludwig Ims

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Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 14/05/2009 21:58:36
Message:

Hello, I am not sure if there is any relationship here.
The origin of Ims is Norway is named after the farm Ims.

The first Ims mentioend in Norway is noble man Tore Ims "Thorer paa Ims" in a document from 1361 where Tore, his wife and son sold a part in a farm to Halvard Eriksson. Further down, 1300 language, it tells the sale was sealed by a handshake.

Today its about 340 Ims living in Norway.

There is much information online about Tore Ims, ancestors after him also used the family name Benkestok/Benkestokk.

in 1900 most of the Ims family, 48 persons, lived in Høle population centre in Sandnes municipality in Rogaland County.

Looking for any relationship between the German and Norwegian Ims, this area could be the right place to start.

8 persons from this family emigrated to USA between 1884-1962.

Kåre

Reply author: Alfons Ims
Replied on: 15/05/2009 13:54:52
Message:

Hello Kare (sorry but I don’t have a ° above the a on my keybord)
Many thanks for your message.
In German language of the middle age Ims or Imbs means a small dish for the night. If you have some left over at dinner in my region people still say “This is good for another ims”. Mayby it originates from the word Imbiss.
There is a small town in south west of Germany called Imsweiler. Weiler means hamlet = a group of houses in the country or small village especcialy one without a church. Up to now I didn’t found ancestors from Imsweiler but from the region around.
The oldest Ims I know is Vincenti Ims, born about 1675 and there is a Johann von Imbsen (1400-1455).
I still hope to get info about the Norwegian and the German Ims’.
Best regards
Alfons Ludwig Ims

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 15/05/2009 17:00:18
Message:

That´s ok, I have problems with the german Y and Ø.

The name Ims in Norway is likely named after the nearby lake or river to the farm and means shallow water.
In 1602 and 1610 its spelled Imbs, also spelled Imms, Eiembs and Emms.

Off the record.
In 1623 many German miners came to Kongsberg in Norway to work for the Silver mine Company, it was unemployment for the miners in Sachsen and Harz so they were "headhunted" by King Christian IV, Korfyrst Johan Georg of Sachsen was to a great help in finding miners.
In 1648 150 Germans worked for the company.
Ancestors after these miners, must be several thousand, lives in Kongsberg and around in Norway.

Many of the mines has German names, most wellknown among them are;
Sachsen Grube, Haus Sachsen, Gottes Hulfe in der Noth (Gods help in the need), Gabe Gottes grube, Morgenstierne, Armen grube (was given to the poor peole and taken back when big quanities of silver was found).

Good luck with your Ims investigation.

Kåre

Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 16/05/2009 00:35:30
Message:

I have ancient family ties on the Norwegian Ims farm in Høle, Rogaland (circa 1560-1640) but I have found no links to Germany in that history.

Reply author: Alfons Ims
Replied on: 16/05/2009 14:41:23
Message:

Thanks a lot for this answer.
Are your info about these 'Ims' available?
Of cause - if somebody is interested in info about the German 'Ims' - I'm willing to share

A.L.I.

Reply author: Hopkins
Replied on: 16/05/2009 20:39:42
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The notes started for a bygdebok about Høle by the author Sigleif Engen are available on the Internet. Go to the website for DIS-Rogaland.
http://www.disnorge.no/ro/
The book notes are linked from the right hand column on that page below the image for "Kilder fra Sola" and above the words "Web Statistikk".

Ims is one of the farms there available for your choosing to review. The notes gathered by Sigleif Engen range into years earlier than parish records or probate records known to me. Before his death Mr. Engen did complete a series of bygeboks about the neighboring Norwegian area of Forsand.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 16/05/2009 20:58:04
Message:

It wouldn´t surprice me if the people of Ims in the 1500-1600, even no connection has been found, were ancestors after Tore Ims.

I was wrong when I called Tore Ims for a noble man, it was his son Tord according the Saga.
He saved the king´s life when he was chased by his enemies. The king honored Tord by lofty him to a noble, he took the name Benkestok.

The location of Ims, not fare from Høle and links to the farms.

Kåre

Reply author: Alfons Ims
Replied on: 18/05/2009 16:55:44
Message:

Thanks a lot - I'll try my best to understand the Norwegian language :-))

Reply author: Alfons Ims
Replied on: 01/06/2009 12:10:03
Message:

Hi Kare

above you mentioned:
8 persons from this family emigrated to USA between 1884-1962.

Do you have the names of these family?
I would be very graceful if I get it

Regards
Ali

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 01/06/2009 15:25:29
Message:

Hi Ali,
following Ims emigrated to USA from Høle, Høgsfjord and Lysefjord Rogaland county, dep. port Stavanger town Rogaland County.

- 1884 Olaus Ims born 1839, wife Tobia Olsdr. Ims born 1848 and son Olaf Ims born August 15. 1872, dest America.
- No emigration year for Jonas Ims born 1852, died Dec. 12. 1909 and wife Ida Omundsdr. Ims, dest Milwaukee, Wisc. USA.
- 1954 Solveig Ims born 1914, married, traveled alone, dest. USA
- 1962 Bjørg Ims born 1937, unmarried, dest. USA

Source: Digitalarkivet, "Emigranter fra Stavanger 1825-1970"

Kåre

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 01/06/2009 17:40:30
Message:

The 1910 US Census has a Jonas O Ims age 56 born abt 1854 in Norway, widowed living in Minnesota. immigrated in 1884. Jonas has listed five children all born in Minnesota.

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 01/06/2009 23:13:30
Message:

Another person in the same census but not mentioned above is Iver Imes, age 54 born abt 1854, wife Rakel Imes age 52 both born in Norway and son Ole age 22 born in Minnesota. As with Jonas they are living in Sioux Agency, Yellow Medicine, Minnesota. Sioux Agency is currently a township in Minnesota and Yellow Medicine is a county, both in the far western portion of Minnesota.

Reply author: Alfons Ims
Replied on: 01/06/2009 23:41:20
Message:

but there are two Jonas Ims

Jonas E. Ims born 09.1852 married with Ida Amukson born 12.1860

and

Jonas Olsen Ims, born 27.05.1853 married with Anna Chrisitna Mauersen, born 09.04.1854

both Jonas emigrate from Norway to USA

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 02/06/2009 00:51:11
Message:

Yes, you can find Jonas E. Ims in the Iowa State Census for 1885. He is listed as age 32 with wife Ida E Ims age 26 both born in Norway living in Centennial
Townnship, Lyon County, Iowa with children Inga Maria Ims age 4 born in Wisconsin and George E Ims age 2 born in Iowa.

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 02/06/2009 01:02:34
Message:

You can also find an older record for Jonas O Ims other than the 1910 US Census I posted above. I also found in the 1900 US Census a record for Jonas Olson Ims age 47 born May 1853 along with his wife Anna Ims age 46 born April 1854 both born in Norway and immigrated in 1884. Along with children
Ole J age 15
Karl age 13
Jana age 11
Anna age 9
Syvert age 5
Ingval 6/12

all born in Minnesota and living at that time in Sioux Agency Township, Yellow Medicine County, Minnesota

Reply author: Juanita Kronen
Replied on: 06/06/2009 23:30:53
Message:

In an earlier post Kåre had mentioned how Tore Ims' son had taken the Benkestok name. Would Kåre or others know if Tord Benkestok is in the same line as Tollef Trondson Benkestok? Tollef was married to Adelus Kruckow and I believe (please correct me if i'm wrong) originated in Sogn og Fjordane around mid 1400.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 07/06/2009 11:09:34
Message:

Hi,
Tord/Torleif/Tollef Tordsson Benkestok was liklely same person, first name spelled different in various occacions, married likely Adelus Kruckow (Adelutz Eriksdatter? Kruckow) from Kroken, Luster in Sogn born about 1450.
If Adelus was a Kruckow-widow when she married Benkestok or boen Kruckow I dont know, information, some contradictionary, is coming up online "every day" so it´s difficult to be 100% sure since mostly the familynames were used.
Luster municipality was about to use the same coat of arms as Kruckow, but another was choosed.

Adelus mother was most likley from the upper nobilities from Smør /Kane family

The Norwegian Kruckow family liklely came from Pommern aboot 1380 since the coat of arms is simulare in both families, blue shield with a Unicorn in silver, two red beams and a helmet with three feathers from the Peacock, see down here

The Benkestok family

Adelus in 4 family trees, all looks honest to me (not confirned) here and here, this one from 2008 here and as Adelus Erikriksdatter Kruckow here

Arne Kvitrud has done a great work with the Kruckow family, from 1998, where he is referring to documents (sorry but only in Norwegian), Adelus is mentioned almost on top after headline;
Krockow-er mellom 1453-1505 here

Kåre

Reply author: Juanita Kronen
Replied on: 07/06/2009 13:59:07
Message:

Good information provided! The name Tord/Trond/Torleff Benkestok appears in relation to the Kronen's from Luster. I had always been confused when it came to the history of Torleff Benkestok & Adelus Kruckow. Now I know there is contradictory information out there and it just wasn't my inability.

You are a good educator, I understand the relationships more clearly.

Sorry to get off topic on the immediacy of the Ims.

Reply author: Alfons Ims
Replied on: 07/06/2009 14:44:39
Message:

Hello

no problem to be somehow off road of my original question - for me it's also interesting

But did I got it right:

The son of Tore Ims was

Tord/Torleif/Tollef Tordsson Benkestok married Adelus Kruckow (Adelutz Eriksdatter? Kruckow) from Kroken, Luster in Sogn born about 1450?

Regards
A.L.I.

Reply author: Kåarto
Replied on: 07/06/2009 16:44:18
Message:

Hello,
I think this Tord/Torleif Tordsen Benkestok born about 1450 married to Adelus Kruckow born about 1460 was 4 generation after Tore Ims born about 1335.

Kåre

Reply author: Alfons Ims
Replied on: 07/06/2009 17:51:02
Message:

ups

Reply author: Juanita Kronen
Replied on: 08/06/2009 07:51:32
Message:

Have you established the fact that your ancestors do indeed have origins in Norway... If so what time period?

Reply author: Alfons Ims
Replied on: 08/06/2009 10:10:41
Message:

I still don't know and I'm still look for hints
Thanks for the question

Reply author: richardims
Replied on: 28/04/2020 01:40:13
Message:

Hello,
I'm new to the forum. Anyone still active?
My last name is also Ims. Currently in Arkansas, USA.
I thought my heritage was German possibly.
Just looking to converse. Thanks!

Reply author: AntonH
Replied on: 28/04/2020 02:51:04
Message:

There is a farm named Ims in Rogaland County in Norway so the possibility exists that your name derive from that farm name. Going back to your Ancestors, who is the person further back in time with the name Ims that you know of.

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