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KnudsonFamily
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 Posted - 08/05/2009 : 05:07:43
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I'm trying to locate my 4x great grandfather.
We know my 3x great grand mother was Maren Johnsdatter and was born March 16, 1822. We been told it was in Upper Telemarken. We have her name in
1) Aase Marie Birth Record 1847 (my 2X) was born in Søndeled, Aust-Agder
2) Ingeborg Johanne birth record 1848
3) Emmigration records 1850.
Two of Maren's sons stated that Maren's maiden name was Torgerson and their grandfather was John Torgerson. These boys were born in Wisconsin.
In searching the 1801 census for John Torgersen, I've come across two expression that I was hoping someone could translate.
1) 1 1ste ægteskab
2) Konens ægte- og huusbondens stifbørn
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eibache
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Posted - 08/05/2009 : 05:22:39
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1) 1 1ste ægteskab
2) Konens ægte- og huusbondens stifbørn
1) In 1st marriage
2) The wifes child born in wedlock and stepchild to the master of the household
These two pieces of info are contradictory, when she has 5 children born in wedlock which are not her husbands children, how can this be her 1st marriage?
By the way, if this John Torgersen should be a candidate for Maren Johnsdatter father I doubt that this could be so, he was born in Øyer Parish in Oppland county, far away from Søndeled in Aust-Agder county.
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Edited by - eibache on 08/05/2009 06:17:16 |
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KnudsonFamily
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Posted - 08/05/2009 : 06:40:36
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Thanks Eibache!
Yes, I'm looking to find any record for Maren or her father.
Could be in Telemarken if the oral history is correct. But they also said Aase was from Upper Telemarken.
I was going to see what records I could find for the various John Torgersen that might have been of the right age to be having children in 1822. Thanks for making on less likely. |
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eibache
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Posted - 08/05/2009 : 09:57:11
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Aase Marias father Hans Svendsen was baptized in Søndeled Sept 23 1814, his father was Svend Svendsen, Fie, see listing for 1814
Hans Svendsens sister Marte Svendsdatter was born May 15 1817, see #10 her mother was Aase Hansdatter who lived with her parents at Gige (Fie) in 1801.
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Edited by - eibache on 08/05/2009 14:18:20 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 08/05/2009 : 14:23:56
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Upper (Øvre) Telemark consist today of following municipalities, fusions or borders could have been changed since Malene was born.
Nissedal, Fyresdal, Kviteseid, Tokke, Vinje, Seljord, Hjartdal and Tinn.
John, Jon, Joen Thorgersen,Torgersen could bee born shortly after 1801.
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Hopkins
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KnudsonFamily
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Posted - 08/05/2009 : 18:45:57
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The record for Hans' baptism from Eibache was from the copy of parish records. Could someone look at the Hans' Birth/BaptismRecord from Official ? I came acrossed it the other day. I think it indicates Hans' mother is Ingeborg Gunliksdatter.
Hans' confirmation Record #15 has the father's name.
Thanks for the record on Martha. We had a note that Hans had a sister by that name with a simple note that she died at 14 years old. |
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KnudsonFamily
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Posted - 08/05/2009 : 22:22:52
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Could this be Aase & Marte Birth Record Juli 4?
The 1801 census above indicates Aase Hansdatr had a twin sister Marte. What's throwing me off is the birth record seems to have a different mother's name: Anne Andersdtr whereas the census having Martha Gundersdtr. |
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eibache
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Posted - 08/05/2009 : 22:31:03
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Ingebor Gunleksdatter is one of the 3 godparents - Fadd.
The mothers name is not given for Aase and Martas bapt. record, the ones here are also godparents, many since the bapt is for the twins and some of them are obviously close relatives.
Aase and Marthas parents Hans Ellevsen, Augvane (Augvaldnes?) and Marte Gunersdatter, Fie were married Jan 11 1781, see bottom of right page |
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KnudsonFamily
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Posted - 06/06/2009 : 09:53:16
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First, Thank you so much for the help.
I'm attempting to see where I can get a hold of the bygdebooks Hopkins mentioned. I might need to go to Madison and I'd also be interested in the ones from Nissedal and Dypvåg.
I believe I've located:
Mari's birth Record #5 . It matches her birthdate, father's name and is in upper Telemark.
Mari's Parents' Marriage Record #2 which would indicate Jon was born around 1897
and the families' move to Aust-Agder - Dypvåg Record #2 in 1839 indicating born abt 1898 (thanks Eibache)
Using that and the info from Kåarto leads me to 1801 census Joen Targiesen
Would the bygdebooks be my next step to help prove the 1801 census is for my John? |
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eibache
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Posted - 06/06/2009 : 11:16:27
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You can be reasonably certain that Joen in the 1801 census is your Jon Targiesen, his baptismal record is on the right page "Skiærtorsdag" which was April 13 in Vraadals church.
Ingeborg Ansteensdatters baptismal reord is the 4th from bottom og right page she was bapt 3rd Sunday in Lent - March 21 1802, parent Ansteen Hansen and Mari Joensdatter, Næss.
The family in 1801
Jon Targiesens parents were married July 13 1789, see next to the last record on right page
Targei was baptized Oct 10 1759, see next to the last entry on left page
his father was Lars Jonsen Askeland.
Ansteen Hansen and Mari Jonsdatter married July 8 1787, see last record on left page
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Kåarto
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Posted - 06/06/2009 : 15:29:12
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Kragenæs was Kråkenes.
I discovered this register from "Kviteseid ættesoge", simulare to a Bygdebook, clik on a letter for last name or farm name.
I choosed K for Kragenæs/ Kråkenes and found Ole Tarjesen Kråkenes born 1794 (Joens older brother?), Ole died in USA.
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KnudsonFamily
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Posted - 04/07/2009 : 22:29:56
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According to a bygdebooks for Stordale (Treungen Parish) Telemark, John's parents were Targie Knudsen and Mari Halvorsdatter.
The bygebook said Targie bought land in Åmland in 1796. Here is the 1801 Census Tergie Knudsen Family  Sorry for the original bad hyperlink
Could this be Joen's birth record
Is there a good way to locate the place listed in the census? I've tried using the 1881 Map but couldn't spot it. I might be looking in the wrong area. I focus on the area around Stordale and the Aust-Agder coast. In 1839 John moved to Dypvåg. |
Edited by - KnudsonFamily on 05/07/2009 02:00:44 |
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Hopkins
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Posted - 04/07/2009 : 23:01:28
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Huh?
You give a link labelled "1801 Census Tergie Knudsen Family" but it goes to the same URL as the one you label "Joen's birth record".
Then you ask "Good way to locate the place listed in the census?" You mean locate on a modern map? or actually find in the census?
Which place?
Looking for "Stordale (Treungen Parish) Telemark"?
or "Åmland"?
or "Stordale and the Aust-Agder coast"? |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 05/07/2009 : 00:32:21
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The baptism you found on:
20 Trin Søndag (Oct. 9. 1796) by priest Storm in Kviteseid and by me in Treungen church.
Baptized Targier Knudsen Storedales son Joen.
Storedale/Stordale isn´t easy to find in the 1881 map;
spell dale treungen, zoom in between nr 2 (Dale lille/Lisledale) and road nr 355 and watch stordale.
Good luck.
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KnudsonFamily
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Posted - 05/07/2009 : 02:30:19
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My question was where is Åmland or as it is in the 1801 Census Tergie Knudsen "27978 Nedenæs Omblie Gievedahl Omland 0929"? Is there information in that census format that's a gem that we novices overlook.
I just opened the 1801 County Map that Hollie had pointed me to in 2008. When I select Aust-Agder, I see the 0929 is Omblie.
Switching back to the 1881 map, I found Åmland about 15km south and west of Stordale. I was looking for the Åmland since that is what was used in the bygdebook
Thanks again for the help! |
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1801 Census - what two expression mean
