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loismann
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 Posted - 04/07/2016 : 02:15:22
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I am looking for an obituary for Anders Hellesen who died in Bakklandet, Trondheim, Norway, Dec. 15, 1837 and was buried Dec. 22. at the age of 57. He had married Anne Ivarsdtr Sve, August 14, 1834. Their son, Ivar Andreas, was born, August 28, 1835. It appears that this was a second marriage and I would like to know who his first wife was and if he had children with her. Anders was a seaman and may have been a captain of a ship in the merchant marine. I hope someone can help me.
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eibache
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Posted - 04/07/2016 : 10:18:35
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Small correction:
Widower Andreas Hellesen and Ane Iversdatter, Svee were married Aug 14 1835, see #7.
Andreas was then 50 years old (born approx 1785 in Nordland.) |
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Edited by - eibache on 04/07/2016 10:23:39 |
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eibache
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Posted - 04/07/2016 : 10:23:19
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Another small correction:
Anders Hellesen who died Dec 13 and burried Dec 22 1839 was then 77 years old (born approx 1764), see #49.
Cause of death - Old Age. |
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Edited by - eibache on 04/07/2016 19:54:44 |
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loismann
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Posted - 04/07/2016 : 21:05:08
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Einar
Thank you for your quick response. Your response adds to my mystery about Andreas/Anders Hellesen I have reference to him born in Kjota in 1792 and that fits the family story. I have another of him born in Nordland and marrying in 1834 and dying in 1837 at the age of 57.
The marriage date of August 14, 1835 is correct with the parish register. The confusion now remains with the death record you found. If he was 50 in 1835 - he couldn't be 77 when he died in 1839. There certainly were more than one Anders/Andreas Hellesen, but in Bakklandet at about the same time? This is why I I am confused. I sure appreciate your help with the parish records.
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JaneC
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Posted - 05/07/2016 : 02:02:28
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Hi, what is your reason for stating your Iver Andreas Hellesen had a father born 1792 in Kjota? What is your source? Do you mean the place Kjøta in Seljord, Telemark?
As things currently stand I can't see any reason to think Iver Andreas's father was born in Seljord.
Basically, you seek the ancestry of Iver Andreas Andreasen Hellesen or Byval, born 1835. Some records for your Iver: link
In your notes for Andreas, seemingly several different people are blended.To clarify the records posted by Einar, these are records you mentioned and were posted so that you could see the originals and thereby see the errors and discrepancies in the information you provided. My interpretation of what I see is that Einar has not sought a birth or death record for your Andreas.
The birth record for your Iver should be posted, since it will point to the answers you seek, so please post what you have for that. If you do not have it, we're not ready to jump back a generation.
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eibache
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Posted - 05/07/2016 : 10:04:31
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Baptismal record for Iver Andreas Hellesen #44.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 05/07/2016 : 12:58:33
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Originally posted by loismann
Einar
Thank you for your quick response. Your response adds to my mystery about Andreas/Anders Hellesen I have reference to him born in Kjota in 1792 and that fits the family story. I have another of him born in Nordland and marrying in 1834 and dying in 1837 at the age of 57.
The marriage date of August 14, 1835 is correct with the parish register. The confusion now remains with the death record you found. If he was 50 in 1835 - he couldn't be 77 when he died in 1839. There certainly were more than one Anders/Andreas Hellesen, but in Bakklandet at about the same time? This is why I I am confused. I sure appreciate your help with the parish records.
Lois
Tjota is most likely Tjøtta
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JaneC
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Posted - 05/07/2016 : 13:04:40
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| Ah - Tjøtta would then seem like a more realistic possibility. And nice to see the birth record for Iver checks out, with parents Andreas Hellesen and Ane Iversdatter. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 05/07/2016 : 13:11:39
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A possibel candidate; Tjøtta in Nordland municipality was a sub parish under Alstahaug parish:
Anderas Isachsen born on farm Herten in Alstahaug, bapt. Jan. 13. 1792, age 14 days. Parents; Isach Gregoriussen and Anna Margretha Andersdatter.
Right page 3. bapt. # 1793
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Kåarto
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Posted - 05/07/2016 : 13:18:41
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| Another candidate, same parish : Anders bap. April 28. 1794, age 14 days. Parents; Ole Andersen and Salome Birgitha Andersdatter. Farmname; Grødneset. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 05/07/2016 : 13:28:41
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In the marriage record for Andreas Hellesen and Ane Iversdater, isn't Andreas born about 1785 to father Helle Helgesen?
No source was given for the 1792 birth - and the date and place (as stated) contradict the marriage record. The assertion seems like it might be a "red herring."
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Kåarto
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Posted - 05/07/2016 : 19:52:43
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Originally posted by JaneC
In the marriage record for Andreas Hellesen and Ane Iversdater, isn't Andreas born about 1785 to father Helle Helgesen?
Andreas was a widower when he married Ane Iversdatter, see last column; "hans forrige kone døde paa sykeseng" his last wife died in bed of sickness.
If we come across an Andreas Hellesen with family before 1835 it might be him.
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JaneC
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Posted - 05/07/2016 : 21:42:18
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| Yes, and seemingly that is the thrust of the original question. I didn't see a good candidate in 1801 census. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 05/07/2016 : 23:52:18
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Not a perfect match, but a candidate in Trondenæs (Trondenes) parish, Troms municipality, N. Norway, but he seems too young in 1801. Helge could well be pronounced Helle.
Farm Halsebøe: Leaseholder and fisherman Helge Helgesen and Malena Olsdatter with children Ole, Hartvig, Jacob, Anders and Barbroe link
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JaneC
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Posted - 06/07/2016 : 00:16:16
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Nice - a possibility. This tree says he married Kirsten Nilsdatter Lykke in 1817 link
This tree claims Kirsten lived until 1887.
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According to the tree, this is Kirsten in 1865
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In 1857 Iver Andreas Hellesen returned to his birthplace Bakklandet in Sør-Trøndelag from Skogn in Nord-Trøndelag. There's a Byval or Byvald in Skogn (in Alstahaug?), and the incoming record attaches the place name Byval to Iver. The incoming record here
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loismann
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Posted - 06/07/2016 : 07:07:34
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Jane C
Byval is new to me. Is it possible that Ivar was working at Skogn? I think that he was supposed to have been working on a ship as a young man. Thanks for your help. Lois |
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g-g grandfather's obituary
