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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 19/02/2020 :  01:47:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello Dear Friends. I am glad to see many of you still here and I am still working on my family history but spending less time these days. A mystery that has been nagging me is whatever became of Sivert Andreas Torbersen Rambraut. Born June 23, 1849 in Trondheim, and confirmed October 11, 1863 at Domkirken in Trondheim. In 1865 he is listed in the National Census in Trondheim with his sister Ingeborg and his parents, Anders and Sigri Rambraut.

this is where we lose him......

In 1865 or early 1866 Sivert's sister moved to Vardo in Finnmark where she married. I am in possession of a letter that Sivert wrote to his sister on May 30, 1866.

after that nothing. Sivert cannot be found in the 1875 census and he is not listed as a sponsor on any of his sisters children's baptisms.

I conclude Sivert died most likely shortly after 1866 but before 1875. I have looked at death records in Trondheim and emigration records thinking he might have moved and died somewhere else.

This is a brick wall for me and thought I would ask one more time in here if anybody had any other thoughts.

thank you.

lyndal40
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Posted - 19/02/2020 :  01:51:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Other thread partially on this subject.

http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?whichpage=12&TOPIC_ID=4092

1865

Edited by - lyndal40 on 19/02/2020 01:54:54
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lyndal40
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Posted - 19/02/2020 :  02:29:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I assume that one of the childen is your ancestor. How about the other children, do they give any idea on how about when Sivert Andreas might have died.

Children of Anders Torbergsen and Siri Sivertsdatter

Torberg 25 jun 1837

Gunhild 19 jun 1840

Ingeborg 27 Jan 1843

Sivert Andreas 23 June 1849

Edited by - lyndal40 on 19/02/2020 02:50:32
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lyndal40
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Posted - 19/02/2020 :  02:49:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Since you have a lot of information on Sivert Andreas and a relatively narrow search, I am also going to give you another approach. I have found that other sites can sometimes do a better job in certain searches than we can at Norway Heritage. Especially searches in which it is likely that the person of interest probably stayed in Norway and maybe died in Norway. Sometimes a new and different site can bring a renewed look at the topic.

The site I follow is at Forumsarkivet

https://forum.arkivverket.no

And the search part is called Brukernes eget forum.

You will need to set up an account. It is free but they do insist on you using your real name. For you that would not seem to be a issue. You can post your query in English, they seem to do just fine with that. On the "Brukenes get forum" page, click on the "Start New Topic" Box

If you click on the Topic "How to use the debate forums" You will see the following

"Welcome to the debate forums for the National Archives of Norway!

Here you can submit questions to the staff of the National Archives and/or everyone participating in the debate forums.
Everyone can read the posts, but you need to register to submit a question. It is free of charge to participate, we only ask you to sign in with a full name and respect the rules of conduct for the forums.

You find tips on how to create an account and how to log in here: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/content/219/user-accounts-logging-in-and-discussion-forum

If you have any problems, please contact digitalarkivet@arkivverket.no"

If you decide to try a new site and have any issues let us know.

You will do best if you provide your query with as many links to what you already know from the Norwegian sites. That is 1865 Censsu, baptism records etc.

Advce from the site on posting

1. Make a descriptive heading. Write the name of the person you are looking for, place of birth and year of birth. If you are uncertain, write down the estimated birthplace and approximate birth year.
  
2. If you have asked about the same person or the person's parents / siblings / children before, please inform about it and post links.
 
3. Remember that those who are searching do not know what you know. In the first post, describe what information you already have. Post links to the sources. Remember that those who help you spend a lot of time on the search. Don't waste your help time, give good information from the beginning.

Edited by - lyndal40 on 19/02/2020 04:21:58
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 19/02/2020 :  07:17:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
thank you Lyndal. I will attempt to do this. I don't think there is anything more we can do. All the parish registrars are not yet searchable. They are scanned and it will take time. I will follow your instructions.
best regards,
Erik.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 19/02/2020 :  07:41:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Apparently both parents are still alive in 1885 but are quite aged. There might be dodfallsprotokol for either of them that might mention Sivert, if he still lives when they pass on:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01053300001964

Here the father is buried 29 May 1888:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000000155860

And the mother is buried 15 Dec 1887:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000000767041

Edited by - jkmarler on 19/02/2020 07:54:43
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Erik Carsten
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USA
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Posted - 19/02/2020 :  16:04:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

Apparently both parents are still alive in 1885 but are quite aged. There might be dodfallsprotokol for either of them that might mention Sivert, if he still lives when they pass on:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01053300001964

Here the father is buried 29 May 1888:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000000155860

And the mother is buried 15 Dec 1887:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000000767041





Hello Jackie..thank you and I should have told you I have all this information....I am only missing the record of Sievert's death. I think he may have moved and died somewhere else so its kind of like looking for a needle in a haystack.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 19/02/2020 :  16:44:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
But have you got their dodfallsprotokols?
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Erik Carsten
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Posted - 19/02/2020 :  22:55:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

But have you got their dodfallsprotokols?



Jackie.....no I do not......
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jkmarler
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Posted - 20/02/2020 :  01:21:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, it appears that dodfallsprotokol for Trondheim aren't online, at least I didn't see them. If they exist, you'd probably have to write the Archives to get a copy. There is a long shot chance that Sivert was still alive when they died and he might be mentioned by name and his location might be recorded in those records.
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Erik Carsten
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578 Posts

Posted - 18/03/2020 :  01:44:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Jackie. thank you for that. I have started a thread at Digitalarkivet and was directed to a group at the National Archives that would look at the probate records. I gave them the information and they said it could take up to 21 days so we'll see if Sivert is mentioned in there.
warmest regards,
Erik.
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jkmarler
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USA
6757 Posts

Posted - 18/03/2020 :  17:12:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good, please share whatever the result is.
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