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robertandrews
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Posted - 10/06/2023 :  09:01:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Can anyone help me find information on Christian G. Myhre?

I am researching my house's history in Cardiff, Wales. He was probably the first occupant, around 1880.

I think this is Christian...



My research suggests he left Tonsberg (possibly born in Holmsbo)at an early age, initially to Scotland, then settled in Cardiff as a master mariner, building a large family. He died in 1929 aged 81.

Can anyone tell me any more information about his life, work etc?

There are links to Christian Myhres in this post, but they are dead - http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=557

Edited by - robertandrews on 10/06/2023 10:56:10

ToreL
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Posted - 10/06/2023 :  13:32:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Can you confirm that the information given by Barbara Woodford in the 2002 post is correct for the Christian Myhre above? I get confused by the name Meyer appearing there, and if I understand correctly, he was supposed to have had a grandson Henry born in 1883, which seems a little early if he was 81 in 1929. (A man born in 1848 would be 35 in 1883.)
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ToreL
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Posted - 10/06/2023 :  13:43:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There is a Ship's captain ("Skibsfører") Christian Gabriel Myhre born 1848 in the 1875 census for Tønsberg. He was married to Amalie Konstance Krøger in 1873. (#7) According to the latter record, he was born Nov 10 1848, which points to this baptism record, where the father is also a "skibsfører".

Edited by - ToreL on 10/06/2023 14:05:25
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ToreL
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Posted - 10/06/2023 :  14:24:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is the record that nails it; 1929 death record from the Norwegean Seaman's Mission in Cardiff, with birth date matching the above. And here is a clipping from a Norwegian commerce and shipping newspaper, announcing his demise.

Edited by - ToreL on 10/06/2023 14:46:06
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robertandrews
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Posted - 10/06/2023 :  16:56:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ToreL

Can you confirm that the information given by Barbara Woodford in the 2002 post is correct for the Christian Myhre above? I get confused by the name Meyer appearing there, and if I understand correctly, he was supposed to have had a grandson Henry born in 1883, which seems a little early if he was 81 in 1929. (A man born in 1848 would be 35 in 1883.)



No, can't confirm any of the people listed in that post are the same man. The links are dead for me.

quote:
Originally posted by ToreL

There is a Ship's captain ("Skibsfører") Christian Gabriel Myhre born 1848 in the 1875 census for Tønsberg. He was married to Amalie Konstance Krøger in 1873. (#7) According to the latter record, he was born Nov 10 1848, which points to this baptism record, where the father is also a "skibsfører".



Yes, this matches the information I have found so far - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/191475118/person/142492063837/facts

quote:
Originally posted by ToreL

Here is the record that nails it; 1929 death record from the Norwegean Seaman's Mission in Cardiff, with birth date matching the above. And here is a clipping from a Norwegian commerce and shipping newspaper, announcing his demise.



This is great. Thanks!

I just actually returned from the Norwegian Church in Cardiff Bay, which is just a few minutes away from where I live. There is currently an exhibition of artefacts relating to the formation and restoration of the church - https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/exploring-the-past-uncovering-the-story-of-the-norwegian-church-tickets-598944738837 It's a lovely venue. The Welsh Norwegian Society is guardian of the church - https://www.norwegianchurchcardiff.com/our-history/ I assume Christian and his family would have been visitors to the church at the time he lived in my house, about 148 years ago. The church was founded by the Seamen's Mission https://www.nationalchurchestrust.org/church/norwegian-church-cardiff-bay

- I don't see an address for him in the 1875 Tønsberg Census, or maybe it's my lack of Norwegian ability (?). Is it 0012 Toldbodgade 260?

- Thanks for the newspaper clipping reporting his death. What's the name of this source? "Begra-velsen fandt sled mandag 2. decbr." What is "fandt sled" here? Simply, that the funeral will be held on Dec 2?

- Melbourne, Slater & Griffiths? Never heard of it. So I guess he was a merchant/commercial captain. ++ Edit: Looks like it may be a mistranslation of Mlburn, Slater & Griffiths - https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Lloyd_s_Register_of_British_and_Foreign/_F0gAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22slater+%26+griffiths%22+trading&pg=PA768&printsec=frontcover

I have some other local materials from research I carried out three years ago. For instance, one of his sons drowned in a dock near Cardiff. He also moved to a second house in Cardiff. The first house, my neighbour, was also occupied/owned by a ship captain.

81 was a ripe age in those days!

I wonder what else I could find out about his life, both in Cardiff and in Norway. I guess the Digital Archives is the main source.

Maybe this is also him, in the 1865 Census - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038094003757 In Hurum?

Edited by - robertandrews on 10/06/2023 17:27:49
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AntonH
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Posted - 10/06/2023 :  17:51:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
lAncestry can help you find the exact dates for some of the Norwegian Records Here is the baptism of one of the children.

Elvira
in the Norway, Church Records, 1812-1938

Name Elvira
Record Type dåp (Baptism)
Birth Date 26 Apr
Baptism Date 11 jun 1874
Baptism Place Tønsberg, Vestfold, Norge (Norway)
Baptism Municipality Tønsberg
Father
Kristian Gabriel Myhre
Mother
Amalie Konstance Cooger

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/8617510:60606

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AntonH
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Posted - 10/06/2023 :  17:55:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The original record is Nr 46.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061107330442
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jkmarler
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Posted - 10/06/2023 :  18:29:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A ship captained by C. Myhre:
https://www.sjohistorie.no/en/skip/20703/
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robertandrews
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Posted - 10/06/2023 :  20:00:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

A ship captained by C. Myhre:
https://www.sjohistorie.no/en/skip/20703/



Is that definitely the same Christian Myhre? I *think* I've seen two or three of that name. Inculding one (also married to Constance, like Constance Amelia) who spent lots of time in Iowa, USA, and also died there. I have seen this person in someone's Ancestry tree - but think there may be some errors, ie two people confused https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/84870733/person/36513508864/facts?_phsrc=vdh4&_phstart=successSource
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robertandrews
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Posted - 10/06/2023 :  20:17:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

A ship captained by C. Myhre:
https://www.sjohistorie.no/en/skip/20703/



Hmm, Bark Nordhavet...

http://www.marinehist.dk/TFS/Heleaarg/1877-TfS.pdf - does this Danish Navy journal refer to the same ship? (P219).

quote:
"Ved Katholm inddrev den 8de om Morgenen norsk Bark ,,Nordhavet" (Trælast) uden Besætning. Stormasten
var borte, rimeligviis kappet."


Google Translate:

quote:
At Katholm, on the morning of the 8th, the Norwegian barque "North Sea" (Lumber) recovered without a crew. The mainmast
was gone, reasonably cloaked.


1876, I think. That would be during the period it was captained by the Christian Myrhe you suggest at https://www.sjohistorie.no/en/skip/20703/ (1874-1877). Also assuming that is my Christian Myrhe and not another, of course.

Similar - https://slekt.org/passlist/nordhavet73.html https://www.heddalslekt.no/slekt/aner/n197.htm https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2021/parl/x12-3/X12-3-6-1874-eng.pdf https://numerique.banq.qc.ca/patrimoine/details/52327/3460357 - https://archive.org/stream/documents979s1874cana/documents979s1874cana_djvu.txt 1873, trips carrying passengers from Skien to Quebec. Is it him, or a different one?

Edited by - robertandrews on 10/06/2023 20:38:44
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ToreL
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Posted - 10/06/2023 :  23:35:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The death notice above appeared in the newspaper Norges Handels og Sjøfartstidende (literally Norway’s Commerce and Shipping Tidings) on December 10 1929. The abbreviation «N. H. og S. T.» in the notice refers to the newspaper itself. My translation below.

Death.

From Cardiff it is reported to «N.H. og S.T.»:

Sailors to Cardiff will no longer find in his characteristic room with person and ship gallery the respected, dutiful captain Christian Gabriel Myhre, at the ship merchant company Melbourne, Slater & Griffith, where he has been employed for a number og years. After completing his 81st year on November 10th, he was taken ill and confined to his bed at home for a short time and quietly expired on the morning of Thursday the 28th of November. The funeral took place on Monday, December 2nd.
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ToreL
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Posted - 10/06/2023 :  23:59:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, Toldbodgade 260 is an address, and appears in the record at the place where I would look for one. I'm not sure what the leading digits 0012 are, though, and whether they have any significance going beyond the technicalities of the census.

Tollbodgaten exists in Tønsberg today, but it is just 500 meters long without any three-digit house addresses. Probably they changed the numbering at some point.
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ToreL
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Posted - 11/06/2023 :  00:09:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I believe you found him in the 1865 census. At his baptism I noticed his mother's rather unusual name -- Bastine -- and there it is also in the record you found. But I do believe there is a mistake in the 1865 record -- Jørgensen was probably Bastine's maiden surname, not used by Christian's father. Actually, I believe this is his father's Geni profile, unfortunately without any data on his wife and family.
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ToreL
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Posted - 11/06/2023 :  00:13:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Merchant companies in Cardiff in the early 20th century is very much beyond me, but for what it is worth I would certainly buy your suggestion about the misrepresentation of one of the names.
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ToreL
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Posted - 11/06/2023 :  00:22:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In 1988 a British descendant of Christian Myhre entered an announcement in a Tønsberg newspaper, reaching out for Norwegian relatives. There is some more about Christian here, I will try to work out a translation tomorrow.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 11/06/2023 :  08:56:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ToreL

In 1988 a British descendant of Christian Myhre entered an announcement in a Tønsberg newspaper, reaching out for Norwegian relatives. There is some more about Christian here, I will try to work out a translation tomorrow.



Interesting article!
The marriage of Kristian Gabriel Myhre mentioned in the article is #7:
Tønsberg kirkebøker, SAKO/A-330/F/Fa/L0009: Parish register (official) no. I 9, 1865-1873, p. 223
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061107330315

Sorry see that marriage was posted earlier.

Edited by - jkmarler on 11/06/2023 13:35:58
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