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Carolaquilante
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Posted - 29/09/2016 :  18:30:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My grandfather, Ralph Sorensen, was born in Oslo Fylke, Norway in 1890. As the story goes, he got into some kid trouble at around 13 years old and left his books by the water and stowed away on a ship. He eventually changed his last name to Rivers and at some point a sea captain told him to write home to let them know he was alive. They may have thought he drowned. My grandfather died around 1961 and he and his wife Mary Almeida Rivers had ten children. Is there any information out there on an potential relatives? It would be nice to pass some information on to the rest of the family.

His first name may have been the Norweigan form of the name.

jkmarler
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Posted - 29/09/2016 :  19:08:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There are two men named Ralph Rivers in the WWI draft registration database both of whom have the same birthdate 12 Aug 1890:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZ8X-ZHD

Here is the other card. Typo on statement above his birthdate is given as 12 Aug 1891, employed as mariner in Port Arthur Texas:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZXG-WVR

He became a naturalized citizen in 1941 and the record states he entered through Boston on 24 Jan 1921:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK6K-LB36

Edited by - jkmarler on 30/09/2016 19:46:21
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Kåarto
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Posted - 29/09/2016 :  21:29:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ralph/Ralf/Rolf Sørensen in Norwegian.

Kåre

Edited by - Kåarto on 29/09/2016 21:30:13
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jwiborg
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Posted - 29/09/2016 :  22:15:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote









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AntonH
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Posted - 29/09/2016 :  22:18:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In the 1930 US Census he is living in Rhode Island with wife and family and is listed as Business Agent for the Seamans Union. Listed as having arrived in 1918. He must have travelled a lot
for he is listed in 1924 as having arrived Jan 8, 1918, in Port Arthur Texas. From Tampico, Mexico

Ralph Rivers
in the Rhode Island, State and Federal Naturalization Records, 1802-1945
Name: Ralph Rivers
Age: 33
Record Type: Declaration
Birth Date: 12 Aug 1890
Birth Place: Christiania, Norway
Arrival Date: 8 Jan 1918
Arrival Place: Port Arthur, Texas
Declaration Date: 23 Jan 1924
Declaration Place: Rhode Island, USA
Spouse: Mary
Declaration Number: 39415

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AntonH
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Posted - 29/09/2016 :  22:31:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As a sailor he shows up in a lot of records. Here is one coming to Boston from Tampico, Mexico. Age 30 born in Norway on the original manifest.

Ralph Rivers
in the Massachusetts, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1963
Name: Ralph Rivers
Nationality: Norwegian
Departure Place: Tampico, Mexico
Arrival Date: 1 May 1920
Arrival Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Ship: George
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AntonH
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Posted - 29/09/2016 :  22:38:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In 1916, 1917, 1918 and 1919 he sailed into New Orleans from various places, including Nicraugua, Honduras and Mexico. In one instance he is listed with the first name of Ralf.
Ralf Rivers
in the New Orleans, Passenger Lists, 1813-1963
Name: Ralf Rivers
Arrival Date: 2 Jul 1917
Port of Arrival: United States
Birth Date: abt 1889
Age: 28
Nationality: Norwegian
Port of Departure: Frontera, Mexico
Ship Name: Norwalk

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jkmarler
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Posted - 30/09/2016 :  01:14:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is an obit for one of Ralph Sr's kids:
Lillian May Nelson
Lillian May (Rivers) Nelson, formerly of Anawan Street, Rehoboth, and more recently the Maples Nursing and Rehabilitation Center in Wrentham, died on Aug. 15, 2013, knowing she was loved by her sister, daughters, sons-in-law, grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
She met her future husband Al, who died in 2007, in 1944 at the Fields Point Shipyard in Providence, while building ships for the war effort. They were indeed part of the greatest generation and they married on April 14, 1945.
She was born Oct. 13, 1923 in Providence to Ralph Rivers Sr. and Mary (Almeida) Rivers. She was the first of 10 children. She was preceded in death by Elsie Aquilante, Ralph W., Raymond, Frank, Dorothy Wagner, Helen Lavin and Ann Joan. She is survived by a brother, L. William Rivers and a sister, Rosemarie Kapusta and many nieces and nephews.
Mrs. Nelson worked at Engelhard Industries in Attleboro as the receptionist in the late 1960s and early 1970s.
She was the Past Worthy Matron of the Order of Eastern Star of the Martha Washington Chapter No. 18, Warren, R.I., in 1957-1958. Mrs. Nelson was a member of Second Congregational Church, UCC of Attleboro and a member of the board of deacons from 1988-1990, a member and past president of the Martha Circle and a proud member of the church's flower committee.
Her other love was the water. She used to love to swim and sail to the Sabin Point Lighthouse on Rose Island in East Providence before the '38 hurricane changed life for her family when they lost their home.
They had two daughters, Joyce who married Ted Moxham of Attleboro, and Cheri who married Ernie Dardenne, also of Attleboro. Mrs. Nelson loved watching her grandchildren, Jennifer Dardenne Callan, Kristin Moxham Keith, Jeffrey Dardenne, and Erika Moxham Murphy, grow and enjoy the "wide open spaces of Rehoboth while visiting their grandparents."
She was blessed with five great-grandchildren, Ashley, Tyler, Hailey, Jake and Ben, who just arrived on Aug. 8.
Public visitation has been respectfully omitted.
A private funeral service was scheduled for Tuesday, Aug. 20, 2013, in the Memorial Chapel of the Dyer-Lake Funeral Home - the nationally historic Colonel Obed Robinson Home, 161 Commonwealth Ave. (exit 5 off Interstate-95 N or S, go right, 3/4 mile on the left), Village of Attleboro Falls, North Attleboro with the Rev. F. Vernon Wright, pastor of Second Congregational Church, Attleboro, officiating.
Burial was to follow in Oak Knoll Cemetery, Rehoboth.
Please omit flowers. Memorial donations in Mrs. Nelson's name may be made to the Second Congregational Church - Deacon's Fund, Park Street, Attleboro, MA 02703.
For additional information or to send the family a written expression of sympathy, visit a guest book at dyer-lakefuneralhome.com.
Arrangements are under the direction of the Dyer-Lake Funeral Home - the national historic Colonel Obed Robinson Home, 161 Commonwealth Ave., Village of Attleboro Falls, North Attleboro, 508-695-0200.
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peder
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Posted - 30/09/2016 :  11:21:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Ralph Rivers


Gender: Male
Birth: Circa 1891

Norway



Residence: 1940

1721 Westminster Street, Providence, Rhode Island, USA

Age: 49
Residence in 1935: Same Place - 1721 Westminster Street, Providence, Rhode Island, USA
Race: White
Citizenship status: NA
Marital status: Married
Wife: Mary Rivers
Children: Lillian Rivers, Ralph Jr Rivers, Dorothy Rivers, Elsie Rivers, Lewlyn Rivers, Raymond Rivers, Frank Rivers, Jona A Rivers, Helen Rivers


Census


County: Providence Enum. District: 6-116 Page: 12B
State: Rhode Island Roll: m-t0627-03777 Family: 239
Date: 1940 Frame: 00027 Line: 51

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jkmarler
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Posted - 30/09/2016 :  13:53:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There is a death in the British Columbia Canada death record set in the 1970s for a man named Wall Rivers who was born in Setskogen, Norway in the 1890s.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLBX-B8L

His name at birth is Ragnvald #5:
SAO, Høland prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fc/L0001: Ministerialbok nr. III 1, 1880-1897, s. 28
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060719030031


Here is a long shot Torolf / Toralf Wang b 12 Aug 1890:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/279/pk00000000534794

As Toralf Pedersen in the 1900 census:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01037091006789

Listed as deceased in 1910:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/267/pg00000000559170


The things to like about Toralf is that his name could be reasonably shortened to Ralph and his birthdate is on the money. But many elements in the family story don't match the records on him, not clear where the Sorenson comes in nor Rivers and the story of leaving at age 13 or thereabouts. But I think I'll check the death record to see if he disappeared or is thought to have drowned or some such.

Cause of death looks to me like appendicitis, so no mysterious disappearance or drowning. Back to drawing board.


Edited by - jkmarler on 30/09/2016 16:40:12
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jkmarler
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Posted - 30/09/2016 :  16:44:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a possible a Realf b 1890 in the 1900 census:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01037167003160

He is a sailor in 1910, living in US:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036523006322

Definately born 14 June 1890 #78:
SAKO, Solum kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0010: Ministerialbok nr. I 10, 1888-1898, s. 28
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060531090404

Realf Realfsen is in DIS Gravminner. He died in 1914 so can't be your man:
Name Realf Realfsen
Birth date 1406 1890
Died date 1912 1914
Square C
Cemetery Solum
County/Municipality Telemark/Skien
Registrations by Kirkevergen i Skien
Transcriber Kirkevergen
Registration finished Mars 2008
Notes
Photographer Eva Erntsen, DIS-Telemark
About the registration Kirkevergens database + gravminnene


Here is Realf's dodfallsprotokol #132 says he died of Taering:
SAKO, Solum lensmannskontor, H/Ha/L0002: Dødsanmeldelsesprotokoll, 1909-1916, p. upaginert
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/sk10081301022110

Edited by - jkmarler on 30/09/2016 22:03:35
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peder
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Posted - 30/09/2016 :  19:53:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.reportertoday.com/rehoboth/rehoboth/stories/RehobothWrentham-Lillian-May-Rivers-Nelson,5574

http://www.dyer-lakefuneralhome.com/memsol.cgi?user_id=1064767
Lillian May Nelson
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AntonH
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Posted - 30/09/2016 :  22:47:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In the 1900 Norwegian Census there is only one Rolf Sørensen born between 1888 and 1892.
Rolf Brynulf Finn Sørensen born in Kristiania in 1888
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1900&knr=0301&kenr=153&bnr=0021&lnr=04

There are two Throlf Sørensen one born in Krisitiania in 1891
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1900&knr=0301&kenr=172&bnr=0005&lnr=01

This looks like the same family in the 1910 Census with the birth date for Thorlf given as Feb 12, 1891 and a occupation that does not seem to go with that of being a sailor.

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1910&knr=0301&kenr=143&bnr=0060&lnr=01

And one born in Skien, that would be a stretch to be connected with Oslo.and the 1910 Cesnus lists him as bein born March 14, 1889.

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1900&knr=0827&kenr=006&bnr=0023&lnr=00



Edited by - AntonH on 30/09/2016 23:13:48
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jkmarler
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Posted - 30/09/2016 :  23:42:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Rolf Brynjul etc is not with the family in 1910...
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036392087030

Looks like one of Rolf's brothers came to US in 1913:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/8/pe00000001136674

He apparently stayed 1913-1916 and made a return to visit to his aunt Marie Raynor in 1920, coming on the Stavangerfjord.

Marie Raynor in 1920 census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJPV-CY2

As Ida Marie Raynor in 1910 census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M539-Y4R

Dies in New York in 1943:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WPW-2X4

https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/11470178

Birth and baptism of Rolf's mother auntie Harda:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/255/pd00000002245551
(Her father is noted as Carl M Dechmann, wonder if this is the same person as ships captain Carl Dechmann who captained several voyages of the Askur out of Drammen carrying numerous passengers to North America?)This must be an older namesake sister of Harda Sofie who married Andreas Sorenson.

Harda's birth and baptism #4
SAKO, Sem kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0007: Ministerialbok nr. I 7, 1856-1865, s. 113
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051018020444

Harda with her birth family in 1865 census:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01038118002280

Harda with her birth family in 1875 census:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01052055045204

Harda's and Andreas' marriage #76
SAO, Paulus prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0004: Parish register (official) no. 4, 1879-1891, p. 215
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20060922020394


In Norway Baptisms at familysearch.org there are found five children of Andreas Sorenson and Harda Deichmann. Rolf is not among them. The one born in 1886 was ____ Trygve Johan and he was baptized at Paulus and the girl Elly Sofie baptized in 1890 was baptized at "Hospital".

The widow H. Diechmann-Sørensen in 1905 at the address given in Rolf's confirmation record of 1903:
RA, Kristiania adressebok (publikasjon)*, 1905, p. 299
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/db10061202274991

Edited by - jkmarler on 12/06/2022 05:32:38
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jkmarler
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Posted - 01/10/2016 :  09:47:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We have lift off!!!

Rolf #222 was born 12 August 1888
SAO, Paulus prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0013: Ministerialbok nr. 13, 1887-1894, s. 71
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060830050180
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eibache
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Posted - 01/10/2016 :  15:05:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Marvelous Jackie!
quote:
(Her father is noted as Carl M Dechmann, wonder if this is the same person as ships captain Carl Dechmann who captained several voyages of the Askur out of Drammen carrying numerous passengers to North America?)

Most likely, according to the wedding record she was confirmated at Strømsø and her father was "Skipskaptein" Karl Martinius Dechmann.

Einar

Edited by - eibache on 01/10/2016 15:27:10
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