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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 18/11/2023 :  05:25:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey!

I have returned to my search for my 4th great-grandaunt Berte Olsdatter Tranbye Eie, essentially starting from scratch, to hopefully find out more information. I got information on all of Berte's relatives, but only she remains a mystery.

The information I got:

Baptism on 15 Sep 1811 Berte to Ole Evensen Tranbye Eie and Aasa Tostensdatter (Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway).

Left Page | 4. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8526/42031/72

Confirmation on 21 Sep 1828 Berte Olsdatter to Ole Evesen and Aaasa Tostensdat Tranbye Eie (Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway) Age: 16 1/2.

Right Page | 39. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8528/42050/78
Right Page | 39. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8529/84907/94


Checked the following records in green, but would appreciate a second look. The red are the remaining records I got to search:

Parish register (official) no. 8 Norderhov prgj. Deceased and Buried 1828 - 1833
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8528/42046/67
Parish register (official) no. 9 Norderhov prgj. Deceased and Buried 1833 - 1837
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8536/42055/1
Parish register (official) no. 10 Norderhov prgj. Deceased and Buried 1838 - 1847
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/1111/7106/1
Parish register (official) no. 11 Norderhov prgj. Deceased and Buried 1847 - 1856
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8537/42063/1
Parish register (official) no. 12 Norderhov prgj. Deceased and Buried 1856 - 1865
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/1112/7116/1
Parish register (official) no. 13 Norderhov prgj. Deceased and Buried 1866 - 1874
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/1113/7126/1
Parish register (official) no. 15 Norderhov prgj. Deceased and Buried 1875 - 1885
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/5893/30128/1
Parish register (official) no. 16 Norderhov prgj. Deceased and Buried 1885 - 1902
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/4187/23355/1
Parish register (official) no. 17 Norderhov prgj. Deceased and Buried 1903 - 1919
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/1211/7782/1

Parish register (copy) no. I 2 Norderhov prgj. Deceased and Buried 1828 - 1833
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8529/84903/48
Parish register (copy) no. I 7 Norderhov prgj. Deceased and Buried 1877 - 1887
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/1114/66539/1
Parish register (copy) no. I 8 Norderhov prgj. Deceased and Buried 1887 - 1912
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/5894/77667/1
Parish register (copy) no. II 1 Norderhov prgj. Deceased and Buried 1876 - 1899
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/1115/66547/1
Parish register (copy) no. II 2 Norderhov prgj. Deceased and Buried 1900 - 1921
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/5563/76852/1


Parish register (official) no. 10 Norderhov prgj. Marriages 1838 - 1847
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/1111/7114/1
Parish register (official) no. 11 Norderhov prgj. Marriages 1847 - 1856
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8537/42067/1
Parish register (official) no. 12 Norderhov prgj. Marriages 1856 - 1865
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/1112/7124/1
Parish register (official) no. 13 Norderhov prgj. Marriages 1866 - 1874
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/1113/7135/1
Parish register (official) no. 15 Norderhov prgj. Marriages 1875 - 1884
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/5893/30135/1
Parish register (official) no. 16 Norderhov prgj. Marriages 1885 - 1903
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/4187/23366/1
Parish register (official) no. 17 Norderhov prgj. Marriages 1903 - 1919
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/1211/7794/1

Parish register (copy) no. I 2 Norderhov prgj. Marriages 1829 - 1830
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8529/84910/43
Parish register (copy) no. I 3 /1 Norderhov prgj. Marriages 1831 - 1851
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8533/84925/77
Parish register (copy) no. I 7 Norderhov prgj. Marriages 1877 - 1887
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/1114/66545/1
Parish register (copy) no. I 8 Norderhov prgj. Marriages 1887 - 1912
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/5894/77673/1
Parish register (copy) no. II 1 Norderhov prgj. Marriages 1876 - 1899
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/1115/66552/1
Parish register (copy) no. II 1 Norderhov prgj. Marriages 1900 - 1921
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/5563/76858/1

Found some entries:

Left Page | 57. Marriage 27. December 1844 Ole Olsen Semmeneie 50 (Father Ole Olsen) and Berte Olsdatter Ovreeie 50 (Father Ole), looks like Berte's age may be wrong here, father matches but no last name. Ovreeie is also known as Aure Eie.
Official - https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/1111/7114/34

Right Page | 38. Marriage 27 December 1844 Ole Olsen Semmen Eie 50 1/2 Aar and Berte Olsdatter Aure Eie af Lunder 34 Aar (~1810), bridesman? Peder Pederson. Aure Eie is roughly 7 miles southwest of Tranby Eie. Not sure where Semmen Eie is.
Copy - https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8533/84925/7

Left Page | 15. Deceased 15 February? 1854 Berte Olsdatter ??? 42 (~1812) Vemeeie? Looks like there is only the official Parish register, not the copy.
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8537/42063/42

Left Page | 28. Marriage 10 May 1839 Nils Iversen and Berthe Marie Olsdatter Heenseie 28 (~1811), father matches but no last name. I am not familiar with Heenseie.
Official - https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/1111/7114/9

Right Page | 16. Marriage Niels Iversen and Berthe Marie Olsdatter Heenseiet 28 (~1811), bridesman? Anders Iversen.
Copy - https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8533/84925/100


1865 Norway Census for Hole, Buskerud, Norway
Petters - Berthe Marie Olsdatter 55 (~1810)
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/38083/115

1875 Norway Census for Hole, Buskerud, Norway
Berthe Marie Olsdatter Born 1811 Norderhov Prgj.
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/52114/1051

Best Regards,
Simon

Edited by - dylankylesimon on 23/11/2023 01:27:49

dylankylesimon
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Posted - 22/11/2023 :  03:39:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Moving forward with the below entries. Please let me know if someone finds the death record of either Ole or Berte, or possible children :)

Left Page | 57. Marriage 27. December 1844 Ole Olsen Semmeneie 50 (Father Ole Olsen) and Berte Olsdatter Ovreeie 50 (Father Ole), looks like Berte's age may be wrong here, father matches but no last name. Ovreeie is also known as Aure Eie.
Official - https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/1111/7114/34

Right Page | 38. Marriage 27 December 1844 Ole Olsen Semmen Eie 50 1/2 Aar and Berte Olsdatter Aure Eie af Lunder 34 Aar (~1810), bridesman? Peder Pederson. Aure Eie is roughly 7 miles southwest of Tranby Eie. Not sure where Semmen Eie is.
Copy - https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8533/84925/7

Left Page | 10. Death 26 Jan 1849 Ole Olsen Semmeneie
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000008373307

That's probably going to make it a little bit more difficult to find Berte...

Berte Olsdatter Blixrudeie (same farm name as her brother) but they recorded her as 86 instead of 56? Thoughts?

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000007562265
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000008412372

Edited by - dylankylesimon on 22/11/2023 04:31:40
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jkmarler
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Posted - 22/11/2023 :  16:26:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You'd think she'd be findable in the 1865 census:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/search/persons/advanced?from=&to=&jt%5B%5D=7&m%5B%5D=0601&m%5B%5D=0613&firstname=berte&lastname=ol*&birth_year_from=&birth_year_to=&birth_date=&birth_place=&domicile=&position=&event_year_from=&event_year_to=&event_date=&related_first_name=&related_last_name=&related_birth_year=&sort=rel
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 22/11/2023 :  22:21:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

You'd think she'd be findable in the 1865 census:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/search/persons/advanced?from=&to=&jt%5B%5D=7&m%5B%5D=0601&m%5B%5D=0613&firstname=berte&lastname=ol*&birth_year_from=&birth_year_to=&birth_date=&birth_place=&domicile=&position=&event_year_from=&event_year_to=&event_date=&related_first_name=&related_last_name=&related_birth_year=&sort=rel



You would think so... I keep going through multiple platforms hoping to find the entry that I am looking for because I don't want to go through all the books again..

If at all helpful, the location of Semmen seems to be parted into North, Middle, and South Semmen... Also doesn't make it any easier that there appears to be another couple Berte Olsdatter/Ole Andersen


Edited by - dylankylesimon on 22/11/2023 22:34:11
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jkmarler
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Posted - 22/11/2023 :  22:40:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here's a long shot:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052055049522
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 22/11/2023 :  23:30:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

Here's a long shot:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052055049522



Not a total long shot. I am doubtful though. How often have you seen a boy or girl adapt a middle name at a later stage in life during that period of time?
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jkmarler
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Posted - 22/11/2023 :  23:35:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It would be unusual that it wouldn't have been in the baptism, or other records but you had a Berthe Marie in your list of possibles earlier. But she might be one you could eliminate which would consign you to searching all the deaths after Ole Olsen Semmeneie again!!
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 23/11/2023 :  00:04:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I checked the death records from 1844 to 1902, and nothing promising... Can you help me transcribe these records?

Left Page 1854 - This Berte would have been born around 1812

15 | 15 Februar | 26 Feb Nhov | Pigen Berte Olsdatter døbtetuen | 42 Steugh | Veieneie
blagliem
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8537/42063/42

22 | 2 Febr | 17 Febr Lunder | husmandsbarn Berthe Olsdatter 18 dager Blixerudeie
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8537/42063/4

Edited by - dylankylesimon on 26/11/2023 16:25:25
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/11/2023 :  05:31:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dylankylesimon

I checked the death records from 1844 to 1902, and nothing promising... Can you help me transcribe these records?

Left Page 1854 - This Berte would have been born around 1812

15 | 15 Februar | 26 Feb Nhov | Pigen Berte Olsdatter døbtetuen | 42 Steugh | Veieneie
blagliem fattiglem she was a poor person so basically on the county
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8537/42063/42

There appears to be at least two hands writing on this page, using different abbreviations for words. Whatever the word is described the quantity of 42, I would still guess it to be a rendition of years old, rather than 42 days or 42 months both of which would be kind of awkward.

22 | 2 Febr | 17 Febr Lunder | husmandsbarn Berthe Olsdatter 18 dager Blixerudeie
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8537/42063/4



I think this child (barn) is 18 weeks old rather than days.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/11/2023 :  14:37:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
#6 female 1871 age 58 1/3
Lunder kirkebøker, SAKO/A-629/G/Ga/L0003a: Klokkerbok nr. I 3, 1869-1888, s. 208-209
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061102310650

If she is the one all you have to do is figure why she isn't obvious in the 1865 census!
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 23/11/2023 :  19:35:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I can't find anything that is actually verifiable. I looked at the censuses, and different death records, it's just a mess...

For example, here is a Berte Olsdatter ~1812, married to a John Olsen, but Berte's place of Birth of Næs Hallingdal is 80 km Northwest of Tranby... Astridbraaten is also far north of Lunder...

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038084001138

Edited by - dylankylesimon on 26/11/2023 04:27:37
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 26/11/2023 :  04:29:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

#6 female 1871 age 58 1/3
Lunder kirkebøker, SAKO/A-629/G/Ga/L0003a: Klokkerbok nr. I 3, 1869-1888, s. 208-209
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061102310650

If she is the one all you have to do is figure why she isn't obvious in the 1865 census!




Does it look like they may not have done a count of Oppegaard that year? Is that possible? https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/38084/46

The question is if there are any children at all? Or maybe Berthe was a witness to other births?

Also, I never looked at "Dødsanmeldelsesprotokoll" before, but you made me look for Berthe Olsdatter's one. Looks like there is one here. Can you transcribe that one? Looks like there are a lot of children and also a birth day of 30 Dec 1812, so we can probably rule this one out?

13. | Husmandskone Berthe Olsdatter Oppegaardeie fodl 30. Dezember 1812 | 13 Mai | 13 Mai | Efterlader P Børn, Oline, Marie, Kari, Ragnild
og Ole, hvor af det ene Barn er umyndig. Ikke
Torkilsbørn, Agter at sidde i uskiftet Bo efter Lov af
30 Juli 1854.

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/55530/14

"Dødsanmeldelsesprotokoll" of the 1867 Berthe Olsdatter Bligsrund eie 86 from above. Efterlader Pig Intit
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/55530/10

Edited by - dylankylesimon on 26/11/2023 20:52:51
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jkmarler
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Posted - 26/11/2023 :  22:47:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Even though the columns are not labelled, usually the first date 13 May 1871 is the date of death and the other two dates usually have to do with the dates that were taken by the sheriff or reported to the sheriff.

Berte is survived by 5 children named Oline, Marie, Kari, Ragnhild and Ole and of which only one is a minor child.

Not Torkild's children but the rest I have to hum on, and then an important date 30 July 1854.

I think we did some searching for a connection to your people to Oppegaard farm on one of your topics. Berte was not an owner of Oppegaard but a "servant" of the farm both she and her husband, whatever his name.

I see 6 listings from Norderhov for farm named Oppegaard, #445a, 446a, 425b, 446b, 446d.

And the given birthdate differs from the baptism date of target Berthe.

Edited by - jkmarler on 26/11/2023 23:07:06
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 03/12/2023 :  19:39:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nothing new that I can read from this, but still interesting

7. Even (1746-) han er soldat ved morens skifte. Det er få spor å finne etter han. En Even Finsen Aure fikk en sønn Peder i 1776, men jeg er ikke sikker på om det denne Even. I 1801 bodde han på Aure/Øveren med kone Berit Olsdatter og en sønn Ole. Det står at han var 81 år, men det kan selvsagt være feil.

This is my family, but I don't think it's the same as the Even from 1746.

https://eriksenslekt.blogspot.com/2021/09/slektens-gang-pa-ringerike-fra.html

I really wonder what happen to my 5th great-granduncle Peder Evensen, did he die between 1776 and 1801 or did he move elsewhere? His brother and my 5th great-grandfather Ole Evensen still lived with his parents in 1801..

Edited by - dylankylesimon on 03/12/2023 19:42:27
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