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kenolson
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Posted - 22/07/2015 :  16:13:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you for the abundant load of information. I'm eager to learn more about Thorlief -- where did he die? Did he marry and leave descendants? Where did he spend his life after age 30? Where could I find any of his descendants? Seems easier to find trace people's footsteps fifty years after they die. kenolson

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jkmarler
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Posted - 22/07/2015 :  16:41:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've searched the North Dakota Public Death index from 1930-1999 and not found Thorlief Diesen (other Diesens found just not him). By 1930 most deaths were recorded.

Perhaps the last name was misspelled or garbled in the Death Index, obscuring his information.

Perhaps he changed his name entirely to his patronymic of Olson, or followed the last variation of his family in Norway as Pedersen. Likewise changed his first name to Tom or something else.

]Perhaps he moved away, back to Norway? or to Canada? destinations which will affect records availability

He did have a large network of relatives here in US to travel between and apparently stay with when he wanted to. His uncles Carl Diesen (at Minnewauken, North Dakota), Palmer Diesen (at Tioga, North Dakota), Gilbert Peterson (in California) and aunt Elise (in California and North Dakota) and half-brother Edon Arnes (in North Dakota and Washington) Each of these appears to have had descendants who may remember grandpa's / grandma's/ eccentric (if he was) itinerant relative. Somebody might know what happened to him in the lines other than yours.

Regards the siblings and their descendants in Norway, finding the parents' dødfallsprotokol might help at least to pick up on married relatives' names (for the girls) and possible locations for the boys. There may be something significant about the possible travel of the brother Einar in 1914 since one of the family tree databases has Indiane dying in 1914. If the family still lived in Oslo in 1923 they maybe listed in the census done in that year.

I have searched the Gravferdsetaten database (includes burials in Oslo) searching for the parents and siblings but wasn't successful. Apparently they didn't necessarily use Diesen as a surname, even though other siblings and parents did. In the Gravminner i Norge database, I didn't find a Thorlief Diesen, so if he went back to Norway, he may not have had a headstone or be buried in a cemetery which is covered in the database.

Anyway, you could slog through the dødfallsprotokol for Oslo--free to search at the digitalarkivet-- (based on the family's location in 1910 census) for Indiane in 1914. Oslo is the BIG city in Norway, then and now, so lots of looking there.

Edited by - jkmarler on 22/07/2015 21:46:56
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jkmarler
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Posted - 12/12/2022 :  17:16:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

Indiane is a very popular girl's name in Nes...

Here is a possible for Thorlief's mother, #16:
Source information: Akershus county, Nes, Parish register (official) nr. I 7 (1846-1858), Birth and baptism records women 1852, page 112.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=534&idx_id=534&uid=ny&idx_side=-116

This one with her mother in 1865:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01038023009261

and another #29:

Source information: Akershus county, Nes, Parish register (official) nr. I 7 (1846-1858), Birth and baptism records women 1853, page 116.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=534&idx_id=534&uid=ny&idx_side=-120


The first one is the correct person



Here she is in 1875 census living with her son Edon and her mother Andrea (and others.)
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052051003094

And with her husband and 3 children in Oslo in 1910.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036392180543

And likely her death record in newspaper in 1919:
https://www.nb.no/items/9810059e5016b06af83c4005005b4e63?page=5&searchText=%22indiane%20pedersen%22

Edited by - jkmarler on 12/12/2022 19:15:28
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jkmarler
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Posted - 12/12/2022 :  17:22:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thorlief's father's death notice:
https://www.nb.no/items/936b0d486471b04f982f1affb44b8401?page=3&searchText=%22ole%20marius%20pedersen%22
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/12/2022 :  03:27:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A possible Thorlief living in Missouri as Torlief Pederson in 1920:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRN1-N2Q?i=15&cc=1488411

This is probably a man named Torleif Bang Peterson b. 1 April 1892 who died in Seattle 16 Dec 1954.

Edited by - jkmarler on 14/12/2022 03:41:20
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