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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 31/07/2020 :  13:05:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by halvelm1

I found 3 people (maybe brothers) named Corporal in the 1701 Roros male census. This would mean the name was in use before the war in 1678 and not military.


I don't follow the reasoning. People may change their names during their lifetimes, and did so even more in the past than now. A military unit Bergkorpset was organized in 1675 to defend the mines, and consisted of workers in the mine. That would give plenty of time for people (even those born before 1675) to turn their military degree into something like a last name before 1701.

Edited by - ToreL on 31/07/2020 13:12:03
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halvelm1
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Posted - 01/08/2020 :  18:47:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In the 1691-1700 Roros church book I found multiple references (baptism of children) to two of the men found in the 1701 census. Mogens Corporal and Oluf Corporal are listed as working in the copper works as smelter and rostwender in the census. The Church book uses patronymic Ole Olsen Corporals (see https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070907650580) for Oluf. There is evidence of military in the churchbook in this period, so I have to reevaluate my conclusion that Corporal was not a military rank. (see https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070907650745 and https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070907650748 . These pages have a "Captain" reference). I have to conclude that perhaps Oluf and Mogn were local volunteers, from the copperworks, that decided to adopt their rank as a family name. If anyone can help read these old churchbook entries I have others for Ole and Mogn where help in deciphering the birth info would be appreciated.

Larry H
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halvelm1
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Posted - 02/08/2020 :  01:10:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ToreL

Thanks for your help. You were correct as confirmed by my further research (see 1/08/2020 post). My trouble now is illegible entries in the 1691-1700 and 1720 --Roros church book . One page 67 seems to have some marriage info followed by names of baptised children. Link is: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070907660036. This page twice mentions Corporals. In middle of page " Bleny og Gift XXadin gang fov XXX Olsen Corporal og Mariette Christophersdatter...." and on bottom (25 Oct) " Benns XXdan Olufsen Corporal Capulenet mnd Marinette F??iringsdatter ...."

Larry H
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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 02/08/2020 :  11:13:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have only limited talent for reading source material. You can post queries at the discussion forum for the Norwegian genealogy association Slekt og data. Registration in the forum is free. There is a dedicated sectipn "Get help reading source material." Some amazingly gifted people are very active there. The discussion is generally in Norwegian, but it is OK to post in English.

Edited by - ToreL on 02/08/2020 11:26:59
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jkmarler
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Posted - 02/08/2020 :  16:03:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by halvelm1

ToreL

Thanks for your help. You were correct as confirmed by my further research (see 1/08/2020 post). My trouble now is illegible entries in the 1691-1700 and 1720 --Roros church book . One page 67 seems to have some marriage info followed by names of baptised children. Link is: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070907660036. This page twice mentions Corporals. In middle of page " Bleny og Gift XXadin gang fov XXX Olsen Corporal og Mariette Christophersdatter...." and on bottom (25 Oct) " Benns XXdan Olufsen Corporal Capulenet mnd Marinette F??iringsdatter ...."



Since your link didn't work for me, here is page 67 in the first book: of Roros
SAT, Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Sør-Trøndelag, 681/L0923: Parish register (official) no. 681A01, 1691-1700, p. 67
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070907650637

and page 27 in the second book:
SAT, Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Sør-Trøndelag, 681/L0924: Parish register (official) no. 681A02, 1720-1731, p. 26-27
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070907660016
oops!

and page 67 in second book:
SAT, Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Sør-Trøndelag, 681/L0924: Parish register (official) no. 681A02, 1720-1731, p. 66-67
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070907660036

It actually starts at the bottom of page 66 I think the gent's name is Peder Olsen (also as Olufsden) Corporal and the woman's name as Maritta Erichsdatter. The capitalized C is written differently with a little down stroke just inside the curve. That's why I think its Erichs instead of Christophers.

So what it looks like is this is a busy page with banns announced and baptism and funerals at the same dates.

So the first time Peder Olufsen Corporal's and Maritta Erichsdatter's banns are announced is in the middle of page 66 4 October 1722. The second time their banns are announced is at the exact bottom of page 66 and to the top of page 67 on 11 October 1722, and third time is in the middle of page 67 18 Oct 1722. They are finally married on 25 Oct 1722 near the bottom of page 67.

The busiest date is Sunday 18 Oct 1722. The services we see are:
1. Marriage of Ole Lauritsen ____ and Guri Nielsdatter
2. Baptism of Ingebor daughter of Ingebright Bru and the list of her faddernes (witnesses or godparents)
3. Burial of Jogen Erichsen's daughter G_____ who died 12 Oct 1722 aged 1 year and 13 weeks
4. Banns reading 3rd time of Peder Olufsen Corporal and Marietta Erichsdatter
5. Then there is a section which looks like it might be in Latin with the years 1723, 1724, 1725 mentioned (announcing a punishment for ___?)
6. Service for a stillborn daughter of Andres Clausen

Re the debate about the use of Corporal. There is a spot in Roros today called "Korporalsvollen" and I note on the map many lanes of Grenadersvollen which I think might be Grenadiers. So perhaps Corporal is an address like other farm names seen in the pages. If all goes well this will be a link to the map showing Korporalsvollen in Roros:
https://kart.1881.no/?r=F3833400

Edited by - jkmarler on 02/08/2020 17:44:55
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