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Kara Ishii
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 Posted - 15/05/2002 : 03:06:12
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Where do I go to search pre-1870 church or farm records (or any other records) for Norway, especially if I do not know where the cities are for which I have names (eg, Hallingdal/Hollindol where property was swindled from Thorer Arneson Stavn; "Aasbeiter", which sounds like a city (one of Thorer's sons (Arni) worked there when very young); "Bondetjeneste", which sounds like a new city where Arni "had a chance to drive horses and chores them and do worthwhile work as a grown man"; "Lier by Drammen", where Arni worked till 1875 when he came to America at age 19; "Gire in Ness", where Arni's wife was from; Sahndalen/Sohndalen, where Arni's mother Barbro Trulsdatter Mjolid was from; "Nordre Sovre" where Barbro's grandfather was swindled out of the Gaard by his next oldest brother; and "a Brug called Bendik Plassen" where Knut moved after losing the Gaard)?
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thelebrity
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Kara Ishii
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Posted - 16/05/2002 : 02:10:27
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Thank you so much, I cannot thank you enough. You are very kind to go to the trouble of looking up all that information for me. You have no idea how impossible it would have been for me to find that much information. And I do know the name of Arni's/Arne's wife, Ronnaug A. Syverplassen, so I will try to find her. Thank you again.
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thelebrity
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Kara Ishii
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Posted - 18/05/2002 : 16:01:31
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Barbro/Barbru Trulsdatter Mjolid's mother's name is Jertrud Pedersdatter Reud. The 1801 census for the farm from which Jertrud Pedersdatter Reud is from, listed a husband named Peder Christiansen and his family, as follows:
1363 Peder Christensen Mand 32 Gifte 1 gang Bonde og gaardbeboer M
1364 Turi Rejersdtr Hans kone 31 Gifte 1 gang K
1365 Christian Pedersen Deres børn 9 M
1366 Anne Pedersdtr Deres børn 6 K
1367 Rejer Pedersen Deres børn 3 M
1368 Christian Pedersen Hans fader 70 Gifte 1 gang Livøre M
1369 Anne Østensdtr Hans kone 68 Gifte 1 gang Livøre K
1370 Hans Rejersen Logerende 30 Ugift M
Jertrud would have been about or under 2 years old at this time (calculated by her age in the 1865 census). Could Peder Christsen be her father and Turi Rejersdatter her mother and Christian Pedersen her brother, and Anne Pedersdatter her sister, and Rejer Pedersen her brother, and Christian Pedersen her grandfather, and Anne Østensdtr her grandmother?
Also, Arne Stavn's childhood memories written in a letter to my Great Aunt state, "Barbro's fathers' father Knut was rightfully entitled to the Gaard in Nordre Savre, but through some underhanded dealing, his next oldest brother got the Gaard. Knut then moved to a Brug called Bendik Plassen. Barbro, his wife, was sister to Guttorm Hagelee. She felt this Sovre deal very let down, So when they moved to Bendik Plassen she renamed the place Gjerteryg, which name it kept." This is perhaps why you could not find Bendik Plassen.
Do you know of some other spelling of a farm named Gjerteryg, so I could look it up in the census?
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thelebrity
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Posted - 21/05/2002 : 11:08:01
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The Peder Christensen at Gire in 1801 could be right, but Peder is a very common name of this time. Reud indicates that she was at one time living at a farm named Ruud or Røed. There is a Peder living at one of the Ruud farms in the 1801 census, although he seems a bit too young to be the right one. You would probably need to consult the church registers or the probate registers to make sure which Peder is her father.
Do you know what Knud's surname (patronym) was?
I can't find any Gjerteryg, but there is a farm in Næs in 1865 called Gjerteplads, which could be the one.
When was Barbro's grandfather swindled out of the Nordre Sævre farm? And what was the name of his brother?
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Kara Ishii
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Posted - 21/05/2002 : 17:56:40
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I don't know Knud's father's name or his brother's name. The information provided to me says that Knud's last name was Gjerteryg/Gjeirteryg. I also do not know the year that Knud and his wife Barbro Hagelee/Hageled moved to Bendik Plassen and renamed it. I do know that, since Truls (Knud's son) was born in 1815, that Knud would have been born, say, around 1785. So I'm not much help, I'm afraid.
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Kara Ishii
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Posted - 21/05/2002 : 18:31:55
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I can't find any Gjerteryg, but there is a farm in Næs in 1865 called Gjerteplads, which could be the one.
Since Knud/Knut would be around 80 years old in the 1865 census, I was looking for a similar farm name (Gederyg in Næs) with a 60-year-old or so man whose last name was Knudsen and this is what I found:
Distriknr Side Skoledistrikt Sogn Prestegjeld Gardsnavn Merknad (gard) Overskrift
322 4 98 Berg Næs Næs Gederyg 332 1
Personnr Husholdning Fornavn Etternavn Familiestatus Yrke Sivilstand Alder Kjønn Fødested Hester Stort kveg Får Geit Rug Bygg Blandkorn Poteter
2101 18 1 Ole Knuds. Husfader Gaardbruger og Selveier g 61 m Næs Prgj. 1 4 8 8 1/4 3/4 1 1/2 4
2102 19 Ingeborg Aslesd. hans Kone g 56 k Næs Prgj.
2103 20 Knud Ols. deres Søn Tømmerhugger ug 27 m Næs Prgj.
2104 21 Asle Ols. deres Søn ug 18 m Næs Prgj.
2105 22 Gunhild Olsd. deres Datter ug 14 k Næs Prgj.
2106 23 Sven Ols. deres Søn ug 15 m Næs Prgj.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=arkivverket/ft1865/f60616&postnr=2104&spraak=e.
I'll try to find out if they related.... Thank you!
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Kara Ishii
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Posted - 21/05/2002 : 19:35:45
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Well, I am stumped. I have found no helpful information in church registers or probate registers, because I do not seem to find anything for the correct towns. Am I missing something? I'm looking for information under Buskerud in Næs and Nordrehov.
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thelebrity
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Posted - 22/05/2002 : 09:13:11
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Congratulations! I think you're on the right track with Gederyg. I must have been blind not to see it myself. The farm number of Gederyg is 332 and Nordre Sævre is 333a, so without me knowing the geographics of this area it seems like the farms are next to each other, and Geeryg could have been a husmannsplass or a bruk under Nordre Sævre. The Ole Knudsen living here is probably the son of your man.
The reason you wont find parish registers or probate registers of nes is probably because they haven't been made availabler online yet. I would recommend you made a query at digitalarkivet's "brukerforum". I would be surpised if you didn't get help from local genealogists.
By the way: In 1801 Sævre was one single farm (not yet divided into nordre and søndre) and guess what I found?
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=arkivverket/ft1801/f10616&variabel=0&postnr=1419&fulle=true&spraak=5
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thelebrity
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Posted - 22/05/2002 : 09:23:49
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And here's more: Some of the parish registers of Nes seems to have been made available online after all. They seem to be taken away for the moment though, but i think you will find this site extremely helpful anyway:
http://home.online.no/~steinv/kirke.htm
Per Helge
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thelebrity
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Posted - 22/05/2002 : 10:02:21
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the parish registers are there, only a bit hidden ( at least on my screen). a box on the top left of the page contains the registers. It is half hidden, but will slide out when you point the marker at it. I found a Knud Sævre as a sponsor at twow weddings, but couldn't find his marriage there. But if you fill in the query form I'm sure you will get all the help you need.
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Kara Ishii
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Posted - 24/05/2002 : 07:20:35
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Thank you so much. I'll try to take a look at this information some time this week. You have been more than helpful...
Kara
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How do I find pre-1870 if I know old city names?
